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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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Wow, wow, wow, what?
dannyodwyer
Neo Member
I work in the games press in the UK (GameSpot) and know Lauren and many of the folks mentioned here relatively well. I was disgusted to hear what happened in relation to the Eurogamer article this morning, and disagree that it was the right course of action for all concerned to take. But I also think that this story is starting to grow legs and walk further from the truth.
I believe we have a case of gross nativity on her part, but the removal of her information from various websites is an understandable (though ill conceived) defensive reaction to what must be a pretty awful night of internet interest in her, her friends and her past.
I'm happy that today's actions have forced a lot of the games press over here to reconsider the way they act. Those of us who take the work seriously have a disdain for those who act like spoiled children while working in an industry we are privileged to be part of. But in relation to Lauren's PAST work - I don't believe she was fooling or attempting to fool anyone. Anybody trying to do so wouldn't post about it all on public forums, blogs or twitter. Her deleting of certain information tonight is the work of a worried person - not somebody leading a double life.
I believe we have a case of gross nativity on her part, but the removal of her information from various websites is an understandable (though ill conceived) defensive reaction to what must be a pretty awful night of internet interest in her, her friends and her past.
I'm happy that today's actions have forced a lot of the games press over here to reconsider the way they act. Those of us who take the work seriously have a disdain for those who act like spoiled children while working in an industry we are privileged to be part of. But in relation to Lauren's PAST work - I don't believe she was fooling or attempting to fool anyone. Anybody trying to do so wouldn't post about it all on public forums, blogs or twitter. Her deleting of certain information tonight is the work of a worried person - not somebody leading a double life.
Relaxed Muscle
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The "rules" weren't present when it was made and I think, while bloated and overdone, it was a great work.
XANDER CAGE
Member
At least they're better now than they used to be. But yeah, OT's are still pretty weird. It's crazy to me how many people think they're echo chambers, and anyone with an issue with the game to discuss is treated like they're trolling.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Didn't he quit though?
Well, to be honest with aggregate scores it typically ends up getting things mostly close to right. There's very few low scoring games that are actually universally praised as good, but yeah you see ones that score too high... but you see that with movies as well. To ask all reviewers to ignore hype is a bit much, show me any entertainment platform where reviews are swayed at all by hype? There really isn't.
Yeah, but look at even universally praised games on GAF and you'll find people who don't like it. Reviews at best are a guide. Honestly I don't find them any more wrong or right than movie reviews.
GTA IV and Skyrim PS3 show that we can't.
TheGreatDivide
Banned
OTs are less offensive nowadays.
Anyone that uses JPGs for text should be banned for 3 days automatically though.
Anyone that uses JPGs for text should be banned for 3 days automatically though.
ElectricBlue187
Member
Dude, she did this to herself. If she had kept her mouth shut nobody would've found her shabbily hid relationship with SE and in a couple days nobody would ever have a fuck that she was in that article. Total streisand effect
This. I didn't know GAF had such things happen.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Newsflash: Every game blogger is guilty of getting favors for doing favors. Companies love loyalty and they are willing to provide for the loyalty. Others are trying to hide behind her burned carcass and hoping they don't er spotted.
If I was writing an article, I would make sure I bring them all down. Now? Everyone is editing their shit left and right and hiding their skeletons in the closet.
I'm glad this has happened. Fuck bribery. Yes, providing goodies and calling it "press kits" is bribery. Remember when a company gave $100 or so of cheques for Dante's Inferno?
If I was writing an article, I would make sure I bring them all down. Now? Everyone is editing their shit left and right and hiding their skeletons in the closet.
I'm glad this has happened. Fuck bribery. Yes, providing goodies and calling it "press kits" is bribery. Remember when a company gave $100 or so of cheques for Dante's Inferno?
Of course it was great. But just because we have that rules that makes calling someone a viral marketer people in this board people stopped questioning shady stuff altogether. That thread deserved a second look by the community and the mods and at the very best it got backhanded comments and people awkwardly joking at the guy for taking a suspicious amount of time to make it.
Oh, it's a site. Hm, yes, that seems a pretty soul-curdling little thing doesn't it.
Well, it's an industry event but I think the biggest thing is that it is just not meant for us anymore. The experience seems kinda jarring when considering that some companies attending figured this out faster than others (Nintendo especially).
But on the subject of Nintendo... Has there ever been any talk on where they stand in terms of... what's the word... I dunno, but the entire "games journalism shrill" with swag, reviewer guides, etc?
ElectricBlue187
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She wrote a post saying Korina got her free games and gave her passes to game conventions when she was with Ubisoft and is now at SE hmmmmmm
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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No. Silence is golden.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
No, he's a smart guy. And thanks to Wainwright he dosn't even need to worry about.
Fixed.She wrote a post saying Korina got her free games and gave her passes to game conventions when she was with Ubisoft and is now at SE HNNGNGFNGNGNNNGGNGNG#TombRaider
Yeah, most people aren't even talking about Geoff at all now that Wainwright has stolen the spotlight.
I'm too stupid to get the image to work directly but its the last one in this post. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43602594&postcount=1247
and this.
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/korinaabbott
Mihos
Gold Member
Man.... that's probably a little harsh. While I have no doubt most have them have encountered some ethical delimas, I would think at least a few have made the right choices. There are some who I still enjoy reading, even if I disagree with them.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Whats the point of having an aggregate influence score? Other than comparing the e-peen obviously.
radioheadrule83
Banned
What's the score on the eurogamer dude? Please tell me he has his job back
If they were leaned on I hope someone leaks how
If they were leaned on I hope someone leaks how
Right, but then you also have guys like Andy McNamara Tweet shit like this and it all begins to make sense. Oh, look who's on the cover of the holiday issue of GI. Shocking.....
not_so_special
Banned
why people act like this is news or something?
this is as old at the medium
i cant tell horror stories about the spanish gaming press since 1986 xD this is just the peak or the iceberg
this is as old at the medium
i cant tell horror stories about the spanish gaming press since 1986 xD this is just the peak or the iceberg
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Pretty much. I bet he showed up and left before he could say oops.
AHappyPanda
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Games blogger/enthusiast tries to act like journalist but tries to act like blogger/enthusiast when attempting to win PS3 but then hides behind her supposed journalistic integrity. This is rich.
The guys who made the F1 2011 thread were given free copies of the game and t-shirts/caps.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
I too enjoy reading gaming news (Steve Bauman for example is highly respected imo, as is Brian Crecente), however it's actual news that comes from actual credible journalists who have more than 'gaming' under their belt.
Here's how you can tell a good journalist from a "video game journalist":
- Their list of credentials involve more than gaming websites and blogs.
- They actually studied journalism.
- ???
- Actually, that's pretty much it.
Huevos de Oro
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To find the superstars among the influencers. How else are they gonna pick which one gets the Chevy Volt keys for three whole days?
Dammit, ShockingAlberto, come back here and explain yourself!
Please.
He mentioned that MGS4 thread, not the F1 thread. Although that's also... Yeah.
Please.
He mentioned that MGS4 thread, not the F1 thread. Although that's also... Yeah.
MikeE21286
Member
yuck.
I didn't know OT makers got free swag....that's....weird.
I didn't know OT makers got free swag....that's....weird.
chickdigger802
Banned
nope, he isn't an idiot like this lass.
And what is there to respond to? Pretty damn sure he wasn't informed ahead of time that the set for the show was gonna be populated by 'goods'.
The pic is still hilarious though.
grimshawish
Banned
Exactly, its not like shes the 'problem' - the results here are the industries culture; pinpointing one person misses the point.
Huevos de Oro
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He's on the run from the Illuminati right now.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It might be apocryphal, but supposedly the creator of the MGS4 OT got a "Thank you" package from KojiPro.
Didn't something like this happen in the NeoGAF Forza 3 thread? I don't want to be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I remember people in the thread getting early copies of the game for promotional reasons. Also, Che Chou (who was a Turn 10 Community Manager at the time) was constantly pimping the game on GAF.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I mean, he's being smart on this matter.
Lol share with us (me).
I was searching for some article related to the Hobbyconsolas and EA mess, but I can't find anything. There wasn't any factual proof as I remember, but we all knew that EA was paying them for good reviews.
I think it was soon after the horrible LotR RPG game getting a 93/100 that I stopped reading them.
brb, making Lamborghini Aventador OT in off topic
Boss Man
Member
As well should be the case.
TheSpoiler
Member
Just because you've studied journalism doesn't make you good at it, or even reliable. The entirety of journalism has tons of people who fit that list and still make crap articles. Oh, and it's sad that people think that starting off in a non-journalism place makes you any more legitimate.
I'm all for burning liars at the stakes and stuff, but let's not bash every gaming journalist just because a few of them ruined it for the rest.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I hope this thread is archived. So much comedy gold!
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