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Giard

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Love ya Tony. I don't know what you were thinking with that thread though. It's sad that it ended this way, but understandable.
 
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LQX

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Hate to see him go but I think I understand the business sense in that maybe Amazon was getting free advertisement? You can pretty much tell Amazon pays CAG. Those sticky threads make it obvious especially with the shit deals Amazon has been offering for months. Hell Newegg routinely offer better deals than them yet no sticky.

Stallion Free said:
The way people are posting you would think that Evilore took Tony out behind the shed and put a bullet in his head.

And then said "cheers this motherfucker."


But seriously, people make it sound like deals are gonna go away now or something. It's bizarre.
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Thing is he really listened to our input. I even think the big reason for making so many those deals Steam games was from the input of Gaffers. He even brought back deals gaffers missed. And I don't see how we can come down on Amazon when many shill for Steam even worse.
 
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zerokoolpsx

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iNvid02 said:
the borderlands 2 thread is not bloated.

this is what a "bloated" ot looks like, and under the new rules we wont see them again

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451221
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303161
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449552
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427112
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That MGS4 OT. Now that I think about it. It was a lot of scrolling to get the information you want.

Green Scar said:
This might cheer you up.
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Just a link to a wiki? I had one hell of a laugh reading that OP.

Red Blaster said:
Even better
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Is the OP serious?
 
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dani_dc

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xXxDudeBro420xXx said:
Look at the posts linked.

One guy expresses regret that he missed a deal on NFS. Tony responds that amazon has NFS:HP and Burnout for a cheap price. labels them as non-steam. Second post is letting folks know that they're running a big EA sale. EA games barely go on-sale on steam and some don't even get sold on that platform anymore. Might be good info for steam users to have that they might not have gotten elsewhere. Third post linked and hey, seems people were talking about SSTFAE and a sale for it. Tony mentions Amazon will have it and DR2:OTR on sale. Clearly states it's non-steam.

He didn't mislead anyone. It's not like he was some dude spamming the thread with affiliate links looking to make quick cash. His username clearly labeled him as an amazon employee and he was upfront consistently that they were non-steam versions.

Are you going to argue that he shouldn't try to cut in on Valve's turf by offering alternative deals, some being better than steam, and useful to numerous people who again might have never seen them otherwise? Would it have been better if he asked a user to post them there for him? That would have seem super skeezy to me, personally.

At least with his username and post history, you know he can't be anything but transparent and has backed off when told what he was doing wasn't cool. I think him getting permabanned was a little much but it isn't up to me. All I hope is that the forum integrity and voice of the many is consistent from here on out.
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He was extremely helpeful in the Amazon thread (and other Amazon related threads) and I think that was the appropriate for him to talk about deals.

But in those specific cases you're talking about a corporate employee entering a thread dedicated to a competing service to try and sell his product over the competition.
No matter how nicely he comes off that's what it was at the end of the day.
It was already dubious when he did it with Steam-enabled titles, but doing so with non-Steam titles was extremely out of place.

It's really is a shame he was permabanned as I think he had his place on Gaf listening to the community and helping out people with issues they had, but he did walk a thin-line at several points (such as those Steam posts) and unfortunately yesterday he crossed a line tha the rules were very explicitaly about.
 
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Fjordson

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Damn, really sad to see Tony go. Seemed like a really cool dude and interacting with people about the Amazon deals and even taking feedback about what sort of deals people were interested in was great.

All that being said, I can understand the outcome. A permaban is harsh, but what he was proposing seemed like a pretty bad idea so I'm not completely shocked.
 
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Aaron

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Fjordson said:
Damn, really sad to see Tony go. Seemed like a really cool dude and interacting with people about the Amazon deals and even taking feedback about what sort of deals people were interested in was great.

All that being said, I can understand the outcome. A permaban is harsh, but what he was proposing seemed like a pretty bad idea so I'm not completely shocked.
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If people got permmed for bad thread ideas, how do you explain the OT?
 
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FlutterPuffs

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I understand Evilore's reason for permabanning him. I've been part of communities before, that broke down due to moderators being too lax on the rules.

People really take advantage of that shit.

But do I think Tony deserves a second chance? Fuck yes. He's pretty much the most level headed, friendly shill I've met. It was a pleasure having him around.
 
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xelios

Universal Access can be found under System Preferences
We've already had the Community Manager for Square Enix give swag to someone for their outstanding OT. I'm not interested in individuals on GAF being bought for better and more hyped OTs/reviews, especially as I find myself depending more and more on individuals like myself to get an actual objective look at things. There's enough lobbying of reviewers in the industry as it stands, and when you're rewarded for creating a positive image of a product, why ever put forth any criticism or objectivity? Bias is then introduced even before the product is.

Amazon continues to be a wonderful company with great customer service and increasingly better sales on what interests us, and that is what any of their representatives should be here about. I wasn't disappointed with the outcome of this situation.
 
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RionaaM

Unconfirmed Member
dani_dc said:
He was extremely helpeful in the Amazon thread (and other Amazon related threads) and I think that was the appropriate for him to talk about deals.

But in those specific cases you're talking about a corporate employee entering a thread dedicated to a competing service to try and sell his product over the competition.
No matter how nicely he comes off that's what it was at the end of the day.
It was already dubious when he did it with Steam-enabled titles, but doing so with non-Steam titles was extremely out of place.

It's really is a shame he was permabanned as I think he had his place on Gaf listening to the community and helping out people with issues they had, but he did walk a thin-line at several points (such as those Steam posts) and unfortunately yesterday he crossed a line tha the rules were very explicitaly about.
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To be quite honest, the Steam thread has the added purpose of serving as the "PC Gaming |OT|". So a post there will probably not be missed, while the same can't be said for any other PC-related thread. It should help if the thread title (and OP) was changed to reflect that, and a new Steam-only thread was made, to talk about sales and nothing more.

As it stands now, Steam's OT is the go-to thread for games recommendations, performance issues and much more. So I can't really blame Tony on that, though strictly speaking he still posted those few deals in the wrong thread.

Fjordson said:
Yeah, permabanned.

Just saw someone in that CAG thread call GAF's moderation Stalinist. Making a whole a lot of sense all of a sudden...the oppression, the red names....bunch of commie scum!
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You know, if this is the URSS then I want my free vodka. I demand it, dammit!
 
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K' Dash

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To be honest, I've seen worst go unpunished, like the way he was treated by some posters several times.

I think a warning ban would have been enough.
 
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zkylon

zkylewd
Eh, as much as anyone of us liked him, it wouldn't have happened if he had read the FAQ, and rules are twice as important for people with agendas, no matter how well intentioned.

Sad, still.
 
legacyzero

legacyzero

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Tony had to have known the consequence. I hate that he's perm'd, but Evilore is protecting the integrity of site, like Mik said. Although I'm with the mercy idea too.

Confidence Man said:
Should've banned the absurd OTs instead.
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Whats wrong with OTs? Or are you just referring to the huge convoluted ones?
 
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Dave Long

Banned
Advertising invades nearly every facet of your life already. Wouldn't it be nice to have a game forum where you don't have to deal with duplicitous Official Thread spotting?

Frankly, I'm surprised he lasted this long.
 
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Zaraki_Kenpachi

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legacyzero said:
Tony had to have known the consequence. I hate that he's perm'd, but Evilore is protecting the integrity of site, like Mik said. Although I'm with the mercy idea too.


Whats wrong with OTs? Or are you just referring to the huge convoluted ones?
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Since he said the absurd ones, I think you can guess which one he means.
 
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Confidence Man

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legacyzero said:
Yeah. I was reading it wrong. I wasnt sure if he if he was referring the absurd OTs or if he thought OTs were absurd in general :p
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No, you read it right. Most OTs that I see are just like fan-made ads anyway. A header and basic information like release date and platforms is all that's necessary, with reviews as they come in. Story, characters, outlines of the gameplay, avatars, etc... is all superfluous. Basically if I have to scroll down to get to discussion it's too long.
 
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morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
cackhyena said:
Yeah, what the fuck. Talk about bloated OTs elsewhere.
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Great now I'm being oppressed here too. I thought the Steam thread people were the only authoritarian fascists with their rules for what can be posted in a thread.

Now I can't talk about marketing in a marketing thread?
 
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zkylon

zkylewd
morningbus said:
Great now I'm being oppressed here too. I thought the Steam thread people were the only authoritarian fascists with their rules for what can be posted in a thread.

Now I can't talk about marketing in a marketing thread?
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Nope, go back to the Gulag |OT|.
 
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cackhyena

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morningbus said:
Great now I'm being oppressed here too. I thought the Steam thread people were the only authoritarian fascists with their rules for what can be posted in a thread.

Now I can't talk about marketing in a marketing thread?
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I wanna see deals, maaan. Now lookit. You're making me contribute to the non-contribution of this thread.
 
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inm8num2

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A Gamespot/Amazon web show?

Yesterday's ban probably would have happened soon anyway, given how Amazon is expanding its DVG business and affiliations.
 
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Tess3ract

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Stallion Free said:
But seriously, people make it sound like deals are gonna go away now or something. It's bizarre.
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It was because of Tony that we even noticed the deals in the first place.

It was because of tony that specific things went on sale.

It was because of tony that he gave out free dlc and EU3 complete to the community among other things.
 
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YianGaruga

Banned
You'll have no reason not to buy The Darkness II in a few short hours.
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Really curious what that means.
It was because of Tony that we even noticed the deals in the first place.

It was because of tony that specific things went on sale.

It was because of tony that he gave out free dlc and EU3 complete to the community among other things.
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You can register on CAG and still do 2. and 3. He's not dead.
The deals will still find their way here, I wouldn't worry about that.
 
Joe Molotov

Joe Molotov

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Tess3ract said:
It was because of Tony that we even noticed the deals in the first place.

It was because of tony that specific things went on sale.

It was because of tony that he gave out free dlc and EU3 complete to the community among other things.
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It was because of Tony I never stray too far from the sidewalk.

It was because of Tony that I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt.

It was because of Tony that I find it hard to trust not only me but everyone around me.
 
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Tess3ract

Banned
dani_dc said:
He was extremely helpeful in the Amazon thread (and other Amazon related threads) and I think that was the appropriate for him to talk about deals.

But in those specific cases you're talking about a corporate employee entering a thread dedicated to a competing service to try and sell his product over the competition.
No matter how nicely he comes off that's what it was at the end of the day.
It was already dubious when he did it with Steam-enabled titles, but doing so with non-Steam titles was extremely out of place.

It's really is a shame he was permabanned as I think he had his place on Gaf listening to the community and helping out people with issues they had, but he did walk a thin-line at several points (such as those Steam posts) and unfortunately yesterday he crossed a line tha the rules were very explicitaly about.
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Are you saying you don't want competition when it helps the consumer? As much as I love steam, I don't want steam to be a monopoly. Anything whatsoever that helps the community and customers is a good thing.
 
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zkylon

zkylewd
Tess3ract said:
Are you saying you don't want competition when it helps the consumer? As much as I love steam, I don't want steam to be a monopoly. Anything whatsoever that helps the community and customers is a good thing.
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I wouldn't like to have some EA rep tell me you can get ME1 for 2 bucks on Origin either, if it was in the Steam thread. There are places for these things for a reason.

It's not in my best interest because I don't care about anything other than Steam in the Steam thread (and obv the usual PC games talk). He had his own thread to push all the Amazon sales he wanted, no need to branch out.
 
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scorpscarx

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zkylon said:
I wouldn't like to have some EA rep tell me you can get ME1 for 2 bucks on Origin either, if it was in the Steam thread. There are places for these things for a reason.
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Well that is only because the games don't activate on Steam, no other reason really. Tony usually only cross posted Steamworks things.
 
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scorpscarx

Member
zkylon said:
Sure. If I was browsing a PS3 RPGs thread and someone recommended Xenoblade, that wouldn't be helpful at all, because I don't own a Wii. Same deal here.
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That's different, PC is PC. We are talking about store fronts here. I personally don't venture much outside of the PC oriented threads here so I was happy when he and others give the heads up.

You must be aware that ppl, not just tony, constantly post deals to other store fronts in the steam thread all the damn time.

Your argument is pretty weak, no offense.

ON TOPIC hurry up Walking Dead Amazon deal ! :)
 
cicero

cicero

Member
YianGaruga said:
Really curious what that means.

You can register on CAG and still do 2. and 3. He's not dead.
The deals will still find their way here, I wouldn't worry about that.
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If you were a regular frequenter of this thread before Tony showed up you would know that deal info that was mentioned here rested entirely on Nelo, who wasn't always around, or the few others that bothered to check all the latest posts over there and then take the time to repost them here, which didn't always happen. Personally, I found it to be a breath of fresh air to have him show up and replace the tedious stuff that some of us were having to do. It made it easier for the community here to simply voice their opinions/requests/problems and have an immediate fix by someone who had the power to fix or change things. People had immediate feedback, they will not here in this thread in the future.

Do you actually think that this thread is going to flourish like it had been after this? Even the smaller GOG thread has Minsc to shepherd it along and do the grunt work, and that doesn't even involve direct feedback with GOG. Given the previous state of the thread and the long-term responsibility it would necessarily require, I doubt we will see the same kind of Minsc type commitment by anyone here.
 
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