frankie_baby
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They don't spin, they just lie and say its selling within expectations
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Media Create Sales: Week 45, 2012 (Nov 05 - Nov 11)
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They don't spin, they just lie and say its selling within expectations
Count Dookkake
Member
Come on, have you not seen that Wipeout gif? If only sony used gifs in its advertisements...
frankie_baby
Member
True
But it's the greatest
and the first
yep, they are the two that stand out.
Exterminieren
Banned
These certainly weren't my expectations. I didn't think it'd set the market alight, but I thought that Sony would care enough to make some sort of decisive move to at least boost its prospects just a bit.
Nope. They've just sat and let it die. Sod them.
Nope. They've just sat and let it die. Sod them.
Iwata's? LOL
frankie_baby
Member
Even Iwata probably expected more of a fight
frankie_baby
Member
He might not have dropped the price of the 3DS otherwise
Japan actually got a bigger (proportionally) price cut then the rest of the world, probably because they thought Japan would be a strong region for vita, lol
SpaceDrake
Member
At this point half or more of the problem is cultural, though; there's only so much they can do against a population that is trained almost from birth to dislike "small" things when a larger, "better" option is available. Handhelds have always been an also-ran in the U.S. market; even as far back as the original Game Boy, they've always been seen as "the thing you play when you have absolutely nothing else better available".
It's worth remembering that previous Nintendo handhelds were saved more or less exclusively by their Pokemon titles. Hell, I remember the year or two before Pokemon came to the U.S. - the Game Boy was already being treated as an also-ran, and after the disaster that was the Virtual Boy, there was a real question as to whether or not Nintendo would even bother with another handheld. It was only when Pokemon came along and did things that you could only really do on a portable device that the handheld market received the shot in the arm it needed to succeed. In Japan, this really eventually led to handhelds becoming the primary gaming devices of the public, but America still never really got over the "like consoles but worse" mentality.
The TLDR is that real success in America will likely require an exclusive Pokemon game; beyond that, you have to fight against deeply ingrained cultural perception. And as rich as Nintendo is, I'm not sure how well they could actually wage that battle.
Meanwhile, Vita
My favorite handheld device, ever (and the first in which I, personally, felt like the "inferior to consoles" sensation completely disappeared) and it's just clearly on the way to an early grave. God but this makes me sad.for whatever reason there's some mindset that technologically superior hardware should be #1 and people get upset when its not. Clearly, good games can't exist on inferior hardware.
nevermind that, historically, the technologically superior systems rarely ever "win" in terms of sales (ps2 over gcn/xbox, wii over 360/ps3, ds over psp, now 3ds over vita)
with the vita's failing were left with a vocal handful of antifanboys claiming the 3DS doesn't deserve to succeed and putting the vita up on a pedestal based on its "potential"
Looking at today's sales, I almost forgot that Nintendo once sold 3DS at $250 with such a weak lineup of launch games. Then Vita was announced at $250 and I thought that 3DS vs Vita will be much more fierce than DS vs PSP. Then everything happened.
Is it possible for Sony to sell Vita with a subscription plan while adding more services?
Is it possible for Sony to sell Vita with a subscription plan while adding more services?
Count Dookkake
Member
Mine and anyone else who pays attention.
PuppetSlave
Member
Neglected you say but what can they do? There are no magical buttons to press. That Sony made mistakes surely can be argued but I don't really see what they can do at this point of time. And as you said, the company as a whole have bigger fish to fry.
Father_Brain
Banned
This is where being completely reliant on third-party support gets you. They apparently just assumed that PSP's JP support would carry over to Vita, and had no plan B if it didn't.
It's never pleasant to realize you backed the wrong horse.
GODDAMN you win young fella!
Count Dookkake
Member
I think the Republicans are taking it better.
Since there is no temporal deadline in the console wars, hope springs eternal.
Disgusting, use this one from now on.
That's some fine font work.
On par with the font used for Animal Crossing: New Leaf in NA >_>
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Or to learn that you suck at predictions.
I still can't believe some people actually thought Vita stood a chance of overtaking the 3DS. Such a prediction was ludicrous from the day the system was announced, but few could predict it would be this bad.
djplaeskool
Member
This is really not the case.
As with the PSP, most of us Vita owners just want it to be supported well.
For people of level judgement, there was no expectation for it to beat Nintendo. None.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
You must not have been around here pre- release.
The predictions were insane. Admittedly there were no expectations for a Vita victory from rational minded folk, but logic is not GAF's strong suit.
djplaeskool
Member
I had to edit my statement.
Indeed, Some predictions were.
I know I felt that as long as it had decent sales and good support from all parties, it would cruise along as a nice runner-up.
Things are grim, and there's no denying it.
djplaeskool
Member
BELIEVE.
What is the font that most of these manga translators use anyway?
People expected it beat Sony (PSP) though. It's not...
Twilight Princess
Member
I feel so so sorry for vita and Sony. Like many, I didn't buy a vita because there is not a single system seller for me. I bought most of Sony's consoles at launch, including the psp, and it is just sad to see the company collapse to the state it's in right now. I'm afraid that history is going to repeat itself and what is happening to vita is exactly what's to come on the ps4.
frankie_baby
Member
Lol
OldJadedGamer
Banned
N64 and Gamecube versions were basically the same. Wild World and City Folk versions were basically the same. For the record, I'm a fanatic about AC and I'm waiting for AC to release in the States before picking up my 3DS.
frankie_baby
Member
Bold prediction time, PSP will last longer than vita does
Doubt it. And I'm pretty sure week 1 sales for SS wouldn't be too big anyway, probably 1/10 of MH4's first week.
That's an idea but I don't think it flies in Japan. Maybe something to consider in NA or even EU.
djplaeskool
Member
PSP's been around about 7 Years now?
I don't think it too daring to say in the year 2019 we won't be hearing or seeing much of Vita.
frankie_baby
Member
I meant longer from now, not longer from launch
Lord_Byron28
Member
As I said from the begining, the Vita wasn't going to do well initially because it was expensive for a handheld, had no brand awareness going for it and it also had no titles with system selling capabilities. I recall a lot of people saying how the 3DS was going to get creamed because they were at the same price and I told them that no matter if the 3DS succeeds or fails the Vita will still sell poorly due to lack of big name titles. Sony doubled down on a strategy with Vita that had failed with PS3 and PSP and it took lots of money and a miracle for those systems to turn around. You would've thought Sony would've gone with a different strategy seeing how it worked out with PSP and PS3 but instead they did the same strategy, only worse, because they couldn't secure any big support from Konami, S-E, Rockstar, Capcom, etc. all whom anounced big support out of the gate for the PSP/ PS3.
Although I didnt think it'd be this bad.
djplaeskool
Member
Ahh. You know....maybe. Sad fact that it's a toss-up.
metalslimer
Member
I don't see Vita making it out of next year and the PSP will continue to sell based on it being cheap with a huge cheap library. I think it's more likely than not to be honest.
On the subject of preconsole predictions I said from the second the 3DS was announced that releasing another handheld would be a failure. Nintendo being stupid with the 3DS kind of softened that prediction but the second MH moved over it was over. The only thing I couldn't predict was Sony's arrogance to think they were so loved by everyone that 3rd parties would magically flock to them which led to these kind of figures.
Sony honestly might have a better chance of rejuvenating the PSP than the Vita at this point. Maybe release a new PSP model with a touchscreen. There's no reason something like that couldn't continue to see some success in the homeland.
At the very least, it would probably get a lot of 3DS ports and I'm sure PSP's massive userbase would appreciate that.
At the very least, it would probably get a lot of 3DS ports and I'm sure PSP's massive userbase would appreciate that.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Which is odd when you considering how highly regarded Sony's first parties are here on GAF.
I'm pretty convinced Sony was tricked by Nintendo...that, and perhaps investors started to ask about a new handheld
Baconsammy
Banned
Meh, my least favorite part of the Vita is the touchscreen. Talk about fingerprint magnet. I was happy when they finally let you use normal controls to access the menus. Put a 2nd stick on the PSP. Done. Best handheld.