throwawayname
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Street Fighter 25th Anniversary Grand Finals Tournament December 8th, 2012
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Haters gona hate.
PsychoSoldier
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It's not just that with Chris G otherwise people would root against Dieminion just as much for his Joe/Morrigan/Strange team.
"God's Beard!"
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That's like saying Tokido should have picked Urien against MOV. No point using a character you aren't super comfortable with.
QuikZilver
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He doesn't seem the type to counter pick unless that character had been mastered/recently been in his lab.
Daigo isn't comfortable with Yun?
When's the last time you've seen him use Yun in 2012?
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
He doesn't win like Chris though in marvel. People love his lame guile though. Which is awesome. So much spacing and footsies.
Hardly watch any of this stuff anymore. It's a stretch to say he isn't comfortable with the character with how long he dominated using him...isn't it?
When was the last time you saw Daigo play AE2012?
He was dominating with him in AE, not 2012. He's still a good character but it doesn't mean he still feels the same way about the character as he did before.
edit to Infinite:
EVO, topanga league both come to mind. He used Ryu in those.
I thought all Daigo has been doing was grinding both Yun and Ryu in the arcades.
QuikZilver
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He does counter pick in tournaments but he will call it like he did to Mago.. He gave Mago a clear warning that he was going to counter pick him with Guile behorehand.
Dat Ned Stark honor
This is true. Daigo just didn't want to counter pick at all. He plays his character from start to end of the tournament
When did he say that ? That's pretty much lies, as he counter picked Mago with Guile at one US tournament. He also did it with Cammy at one UK event if I remember right.
Perhaps he didn't want to counter pick at that SF25 anniversary tournament specifically. If this is true, he lost to his pride.
QuikZilver
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That was AE 2011. Yun 2012 is a different character.
Or he plays Yun for fun in the arcades but he's focused on making Ryu his competitive character.
This is something Daigo himself told fchamp at the event last night
Still, he's more comfy with Yun, I'd assume than the majority of the cast. Knows him inside and out. He picks up Sim and we're onto something.
Lets put it this way.
Take Infiltration for a second. Lets pretend he was on the ropes with Akuma and felt that Daigo totally figured out his gameplay. He's down to the last game and it looks bad, would he switch to Gouken and take the risk of playing a character he's not 100% confident using in tournament setting, or stick with the one he feels the strongest with? Just because Daigo knows Yun better than he knows Rose doesn't mean he's confident using Yun, at this point, when the stakes are so high.
solidgear91
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I don't think anybody can downplay his skills, he's incredible. It's just that for stream monsters, the dude is boring as a wall (monsters don't care about footsies) and uncharismatic which is the perfect combo to become a super heel.He's surely the most hated player in the FGC now, moreso than Fchamp ever was or is.
I personally don't have a problem with watching his play, it's amazing seeing high level play like that. Infiltration doesn't seem like a bad person either. I can respect Champ's play, but man I can't stand him.
ihearthawthats
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we can say the same about viscant winning evo in marvel. arguably worse (no disrespect to viscant), since infiltration has proved himself in sf4 as well.
also, i find it silly that things like "jabjabjab" has a more demoralizing effect on sfxt than "soulfistsoulfistsoulfist" does on marvel. there's more to it, than just, "oh infiltration won with lame tactics therefore this game is lame".
the 2013 patch will definitely help. although to be honest, i don't think it'll help much with spectators. despite many broken things in marvel, it's still fun to extremely fun to watch. sfxt just isn't the best spectator game. i would argue that even in its current form without the patch, it's still a good game to play, even if not that fun to watch.
ChrisG is much more dominating than ManU when it comes to a larger geography (as in Chris G isn't just dominant in the US).
QuikZilver
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Infiltration would do anything that will guarantee him the win. I think I've recently seen Daigo struggle vs Filipino Champ with Ryu rather than just going to Yun and finishing it out. I may be wrong but I think it was during CEO 3v3 or 5v5 teams. Infiltration would of gone straight to Yun if he were Daigo.
I think he meant Manu Ginobilli,
Well, I know why Infiltration took it. Daigo suffers from severe memory loss. He already counter picked twice in tournament, one with Guile, the other with Cammy.
We can also suppose that was not really what he said to F-Champ.
You can't counter pick when playing teams. That's was always the rule, all characters are set beforehand.
It was tokidos translation apparently. That's not to say that the man hasn't counter picked ever. He simply saying he doesn't want to do it now and most likely not ever
Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4-nREvJG58
And Daigo could have counterpicked if he wanted but he wanted to win with Ryu. He's been so dominate for so long that when somebody comes and destroys him, he wants a chance to prove himself whether he can beat that person. Nothing more than that. Would be more fitting for him to stick with a character that he personifies for what would go down in history as a very important event.
Well, didn't Kazunoko destroyed Infiltration's Akuma at the last Canada Cup ?
QuikZilver
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No one remembers when he got wrecked in Europe by Ryan Hart because he tried to counterpick his Dhalsim with Cammy?
WesternHeretic
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GINOBILI! Infiltration isn't like Tim Duncan he looks like god damn LeBron right now. Like it's his year. Seriously watching Daigo vs Infiltration in like watching MJ pass the torch on to Kobe... when MJ was 40. =(
So the best Yun in the world beat Infiltration in one set?
Watch Winner's Finals of 25th. Best Ryu in the world beat the best Akuma. Match is in Ryu's favour!
Yeah but they are saying the odds of winning the Yun/Akuma match is in Yun's favor.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Infiltration is Tim Duncan. Boring and a winner and a lot hate him. For winning and being boring.
Lebron is exciting and wins and some people hate him. Some hate him for winning. Not for being boring I think.
Not on the court at least .
Lebron is exciting and wins and some people hate him. Some hate him for winning. Not for being boring I think.
Not on the court at least .
WesternHeretic
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But LeBron achieved three major awards in this year.
Infiltration won EVO (NBA TITLE), SF 25 SF4 (MVP), then cap it all off with a god damn SF 25 SFxT (Finals MVP).
TRIFECTA!
Plus Akuma isn't boring... now that's Rufus (well according to everyone).
EarlyEarly
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Infiltration isn't boring. The results of his matches are because he steam rolls people but that doesn't make him boring. He's like the 72-10 Bulls or the Laker team that went 16-1 in the playoffs a while back. Just domination. At Evo this guy was ripping souls out left right and center.
In AE anyway. SFXT everyone was boring beside Tatsu.
In AE anyway. SFXT everyone was boring beside Tatsu.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I'm not talking accolades/wins exclusively
People are saying his wins are boring and robotic and not exciting. That his personality is not interesting.
I've heard this attributes assigned to the spurs and Duncan (unfairly).
I've never heard lebron described like that. Or the heat. He is exciting on the court so they say.
Tim Duncan is the Big Fundemental after all.
Conventional wisdom has been Ryu v. Akuma favors Ryu. I agree that Daigo should have tried Yun for a change of pace, but he wasn't losing due to the character matchup.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Daigo was getting outplayed.
Just out of curiosity, why do people say that Ryu vs. Akuma is in Ryu's favor? I haven't seen the match yet so I can't judge on how Daigo played against Infiltration, but I've always wondered this.
Beats me. Both have great normals. My guess is Ryu has lot opportunities to trade against air fireballs and the health with which to do it, punish teleports with supers, and just generally get through holes in Akuma's offense that other characters don't have. eg. Daigo just dragon punches the second ex air fireball.