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Street Fighter 25th Anniversary Grand Finals Tournament December 8th, 2012
- Thread starter Kadey
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It just seems to me that Ryu has ways to deal with some of Akuma's tools that Ryu doesn't have, but Akuma still has things like a better sweep, an equally good cr.MK and fireball, and better walk speed in addition to his vortex/character-unique stuff that would make it a lot tougher on Ryu. Maybe I'm really underestimating how much damage Ryu does and how much the life difference affects Akuma.
Who says otherwise?
Rice-Eater
Member
I've always considered the Ryu/Akuma match up even, but yeah it was pretty clear that Infiltration adjusted and Daigo couldn't figure out what to do next. Infiltration was able to do whatever he wanted. Walk up sweep, walk throw, read his fireballs for full jump in combos, and more. It's like he got in Daigo's head in GF's. Daigo just couldn't do anything in the shoto match up which is why I think he should have switched to Yun. Maybe the match up isn't much better, but it's a completely different fight where the shoto battle is completely thrown out for a different set of skills. But I respect his decision for not wanting to counter pick.
The guy already counterpicked in other tournaments, if he thought he would have had a better chance with Yun he would've went with Yun like he did during all AE.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
People who suggest changing to Yun would had made a difference?
Players in general who think he won because of his character choice? People who use top tier then complain about top tier ?
If that's not you, I don't mean you.
How was MOV trolling?
well I think he assumes him choosing Ken was trolling.
Ragingnight
Member
I think he is referring to the ken pick (its not trolling).
CountBlack
Member
Akuma is one of the hardest characters to deal with when you're on knock down. Infiltration got so many free jump in full combos because Daigo didn't know where to block.
He would've had the same problem with Yun, but Daigo's Yun definitely would've caught Infiltration off guard.
I don't want to say Daigo has a big ego, but when you've gotten bodied 5 straight times, you should at least go to the character select screen and think about it.
He would've had the same problem with Yun, but Daigo's Yun definitely would've caught Infiltration off guard.
I don't want to say Daigo has a big ego, but when you've gotten bodied 5 straight times, you should at least go to the character select screen and think about it.
Shouta
Member
This is pretty much true.
It felt like after he switched to Ken he was just trying to challenge himself by getting as many throws as possible.
You would see him walking up and getting/whiffing throws 10x more when he was playing Ken and already made it to GF than when he was playing Chun before.
Does seem like he is tired of players abusing Rufus' float over on ex messiah kick.
CountBlack
Member
Sure as hell made 3rd Strike GF more entertaining
Ogrekiller
Member
I say either Cammy, Adon or Fei. Akuma could be a wild card.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I thought MOV just hated the mirror match (and I can see why, seems like it would be kinda dumb).
Ragingnight
Member
he already plays fucking adon. Rufus is like high tier after the vortex characters.
Ragingnight
Member
Isn't thats kens whole gameplay? Ken is so momentum base and you're afraid to get hit by cr. lk or the overhead. I'd rather get thrown by ken multiple times then eat a short short SA3 and then put in the exact same situation again.
Ya but he was playing Chun.
Well you already picked up Spencer, Doom, Vergil and Zero.
I didn't know Justin had some anti-top-tier policy before. Just sad that when people can't innovate anymore it comes to this.
slightconfuse
Banned
justing picking cammy or Goki now??
The more a game gets solved the more tiers and matchups become important.
He did try to rebrand himself around AE claiming that Rufus was because he didn't want to playing boring Ryu or you have to use characters you love and picking Iron Fist in Marvel. As you've noted that didn't last too long in Marvel.
Also judging from James comments, Justin Wong has been slow to adapt to new tech. eg. Doesn't kara throw with Chun in 3rd Strike, late to roll canceling in CvS2, still hasn't made option selects a big part of his game in SF4.
MiniBossBattle
Member
Justin would have won a couple more rounds if EX Messiah didn't un-combo on crouching Akuma. I just don't get it. Are there other attacks that un-combo in SF4 due to character's hurtbox?
Not sure of the exact situation but it's way an Akuma player can make that happen. If you go for x3 cr short instead of x3 cr jab for a block string and they're mashing Ex Messiah Kick it's gonna miss. That's just one example, it's all due to spacing.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
When did Justin become some kind of low tier hero. He has used top tier in games for a long time. He wants to be a special flower that is oh so different now?
He just needs to adapt and not make a big deal about it. I don't begrudge anybody for using top tier really. He already does. If he switches characters, that is cool too.
He just needs to adapt and not make a big deal about it. I don't begrudge anybody for using top tier really. He already does. If he switches characters, that is cool too.
I agree with this but Justin has been known to play what he wants and how he wants.
DeeJay EX machine gun upper if spaced wrong
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Add me to the group that loves to watch Infiltration. The guy is just a monster Street Fighter player. He has Hyper Fighting fundamentals and knows how to abuse SF4's engine BS on top of that.
I'm not surprised that people dislike his style of play. There's a reason why Street Fighter games have been adding brain-dead, autopilot mix-up characters for years now . . .
I'm not surprised that people dislike his style of play. There's a reason why Street Fighter games have been adding brain-dead, autopilot mix-up characters for years now . . .
AZ Greg
Member
Yeah well, than Justin needs to learn his matchups.
Also lol, he played Chun in 3s.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Throw him off the cell.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Foley going over the cell in his loss to Taker = JWong getting parried by Daigo for 3S comeback at EVO
Crazy-ass moment that even casuals know about
Coming from M:TG, where there's next to no "character loyalty" with decks the hostility towards metagame play/char switching has surprised me. I love how you're rewarded in MvC3 for counterpicking the stuffing out of your opponents.
are people forgetting he uses yang in sf ae at Evo last year? And that Ricky Ortiz used yun? Neither used Rufus last Evo
Some games reward char loyalty more than others. Depends how much work you have to put into your char. The more universal the mechanics , usually the more loyalty is rewarded.
Professor Beef
Banned
+1 for Infiltration love. He showed Daigo who the better player was that night.
HE KILLED HIM
HE KILLED HIM
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF
HE KILLED HIM
HE KILLED HIM
AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF
Ogrekiller
Member
Justin actually used Rufus at Evo last year.
In that game you really didn't have a choice. AE 2012 is much more balanced, but there's still a world of difference in how much work you have to put in to win as various characters.