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Video of Ouya dev console unboxing, complete with early controller

I didn't know that the T33 was quad 1.6, that is much more power then I was expecting.

I'm only concerned about the GPU. Is it confirmed to be using the same GPU or modified?

The CPU portion is equivalent to the fastest CPU available in mobile devices right now, which is fine by me. The other posters suggesting these <100 Android sticks sound foolish.
 

Boerseun

Banned
If they resubmit maybe they will aim for half and limit it's release to one dedicated system to start with, a shame though.

I really like their existing Kickstarter presentation. I think it's very well done and one of the better ones I've seen. However I agree with your observation above. Their one weak point has always been the lack of focus in terms of target platforms. By throwing around platform names they appear desperate, in my opinion, as if they want to cast as wide a net as possible to draw in any and all potential support. In the mean time, they have shown nothing in the presentation to make me believe that they could realistically acquire the devkits and technical know-how to make the game for all of those platforms mentioned. Originally they were going for Windows PC, Linux PC, Mac, Android, Pandora, OUYA, and then later added iOS, Wii U, Xbox 360 and Ps3 as targets. That's just not feasible for such a small team. Now imagine they focused on making the game OUYA-exclusive. The already impressively active OUYA community would lap it up, I reckon.
 

Lonely1

Unconfirmed Member
A Fan, huh? I wonder how much more power they can extract from Tegra 3, since is a (relative) weak Mobile SoC in the GPU department. A 100% boost as best (around A5 level of performance) is my guesstimate.

Why choose a pic that isn't gameplay?

Here

http://cdn.pocket-lint.com/images/Jyc2/aotd-modern-combat-4-review-0.jpg

It looks better in motion though. I guess i exaggerated abit but it looks better than Shadowrun.

Well, mobile games like that take some obvious shortcuts. And I believe that that is running on an iPhone 5, which has a considerably better GPU than Ouya.
 

Seik

Banned
Actually, that was already posted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d36yvq1KoU

This is just someone ripping the video and re-uploading it. Why the heck people do that on youtube is beyond me.

Oh shit, I agree, that's lame, I changed my link to the real poster's one. :)

My only nitpick so far is that it'll be using Tegra 3 while Tegra 4 will be out since one month at this point. A cool thing would be that they make it upgradable, like you could buy the Tegra 4 Ouya board and just switch it with the other inside.
 

xJavonta

Banned
I'm shocked that people are comparing this to $200 consoles still. It's 99 fucking US dollars, and if you weren't interested in it prior to seeing this video, there's no reason for you to be commenting on how useless you believe it is.

Well, mobile games like that take some obvious shortcuts. And I believe that that is running on an iPhone 5, which has a considerably better GPU than Ouya.
That is not on an iPhone 5. Look at the AR of that shot. It's most likely iPad 3 or 4.
 

Orayn

Member
I'm shocked that people are comparing this to $200 consoles still. It's 99 fucking US dollars, and if you weren't interested in it prior to seeing this video, there's no reason for you to be commenting on how useless you believe it is.

I'm annoyed by this and erroneous claims of there being faster HDMI sticks for less money.
 

xJavonta

Banned
I'm annoyed by this and erroneous claims of there being faster HDMI sticks for less money.

That too. I mean, are people really that against the OUYA that they want to recommend something bare and most likely ment for developers to someone looking for a device that supposed to be user-friendly? It's absurd.
 

Card Boy

Banned
I'm shocked that people are comparing this to $200 consoles still. It's 99 fucking US dollars

Well this is the same community that guys $60 games, gets excited with 10 page threads over a $15 saving of said $60 games and buys $650 iPhones every year.

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DigitalOp

Banned
I hope this system does well. Either way if it comes to market, ill pick one up.

I dont know why some people get so bothered by other products being offered, choice is helping us out

Whether its a emu box or a mildly succesful android gaming venture, for 99 bucks, and what its offering spec wise, its a deal
 

DiscoJer

Member
While not a stick, isn't this better?

http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php

Similar range prince, not a lot less of course.

Hmmm, I would guess that's more powerful, but it also has a lot of accessories you need to buy

What peripherals are available (Sold seperately)?
- DC Power Adaptor (US$ 9)
- MicroSD-Card 8GB OS-preinstalled (US$ 13)
- WiFi Module (US$14)
- USB-UART module Kit (US$ 15)
- eMMC 8GB module (US$ 25)
- eMMC 16GB module (US$ 39)
- eMMC 64GB module (US$ 79)
- Bluetooth module (US$ 8)
- Micro-HDMI Cable (US$ 9)
- IO Board ($15)
- Cooling Fan ($8)
- Micro-USB cable (US$ 3)

What is the minimum peripherals to run Android with ODROID-U2?
- HDMI monitor for output device & Mico-HDMI Cable (Not included)
- Mouse for input device (Not included)
- MicroSD Card for storage of OS & user data (Not included / 8GB or higher is required)
- MicroSD Card reader to transfer OS image and data (Not included)
- Power supply: DC 5V (Not included)

So add everything up it will be more than $100. The ouya doesn't come with a lot of storage, I admit, but still, as far as I know, it's basically complete

But yeah, buying direct from a manufacturer in Asia is going to be more bang for your buck than going through a third party. It's not like they are subsidizing the hardware like Sony or MS. But hopefully you get a more refined experience, and 1200 developer kits have been sold, so you have to think it's going to have some pretty decent support, if only among hobbyists, rather than random
 
Yeah, but those Exynos dev boards were almost $200 when the Ouya Kickstarter was going on. They've gone under $100 now, so just think what an HDMI stick with comparable power will cost in another 3-6 months when Ouya is actually shipping. Same way Android sticks selling for $70 during the Ouya Kickstarter had single core A8 processors and 512MB of RAM with weak GPUs. Now the $60 ones on Amazon have dual core A9 processors, 1GB of RAM and quad core Mali 400 GPUs. The rate at which these devices are improving is incredible and they're blowing right by Ouya before it even makes it to market.
 
A great controller comparison pic posted to a different forum:

XYzot.jpg


I didn't realize how similar the two controllers were to each other.
 
Any more videos of devs trying out their games on OUYA around? youtube has a terrible search method now without filtering for recent uploads.
 
Devs aren't under any sort of NDA, but the few people who have them are busy getting their games to work with the dev kit and stuff :) Mine, unfortunately, is still chillin' in Hong Kong.

According to one person, they were told by Boxer8 that the Ouya's Tegra 3 has been clocked to 2Ghz, instead of its default 1.6Ghz. So find benchmarks of something using the fastest Tegra 3 (like the Asus Transformer Tf700), and imagine they were higher :)
 
Devs aren't under any sort of NDA, but the few people who have them are busy getting their games to work with the dev kit and stuff :) Mine, unfortunately, is still chillin' in Hong Kong.

According to one person, they were told by Boxer8 that the Ouya's Tegra 3 has been clocked to 2Ghz, instead of its default 1.6Ghz. So find benchmarks of something using the fastest Tegra 3 (like the Asus Transformer Tf700), and imagine they were higher :)

Hopefully the GPU's clock speeds are double what they normally are. I think then it will be capable enough graphically in order to not be disappointing.
 

Durante

Member
It's interesting how different the "spec balance" is for this machine compared to traditional consoles. In terms of CPU performance it may actually exceed Wii U (at least in some aspects), while the GPU performance is way way (way) weaker.
 

JordanN

Banned
It's interesting how different the "spec balance" is for this machine compared to traditional consoles. In terms of CPU performance it may actually exceed Wii U (at least in some aspects), while the GPU performance is way way (way) weaker.
Huh? How?
 
2ghz clock? it might not be a more modern tegra but there will be enough beans in the ouya to get some good stuff out of it. I'm really happy to hear that if it is true.
 

Durante

Member
Huh? How?
Erm, easily? As I said "in some aspects" lets just pick one where it is obvious: single-precision floating point SIMD performance.

Wii U has 3 cores at 1.24 GHz, each capable of a paired single FP op per clock, for ~14.8 GFLOPs
Tegra 3 T33 has 4 Cortex A9 cores at 1.6 GHz, each with NEON/VFPv3 support with a 128 bit multiply accumulate op per clock, for ~51.2 GFLOPs

Of course, that's just one theretical aspect, but it's a pretty significant difference.

It's really too bad that the GPU in Tegra 3 sucks so much, this could be a great platform if it was paired with a high end PowerVR or Mali GPU.
 

TheD

The Detective
Erm, easily? As I said "in some aspects" lets just pick one where it is obvious: single-precision floating point SIMD performance.

Wii U has 3 cores at 1.24 GHz, each capable of a paired single FP op per clock, for ~14.8 GFLOPs
Tegra 3 T33 has 4 Cortex A9 cores at 1.6 GHz, each with NEON/VFPv3 support with a 128 bit multiply accumulate op per clock, for ~51.2 GFLOPs

Of course, that's just one theretical aspect, but it's a pretty significant difference.

It's really too bad that the GPU in Tegra 3 sucks so much, this could be a great platform if it was paired with a high end PowerVR or Mali GPU.

It is ironic that a GPU company makes a SoC with a ok CPU but a bad GPU.

A lot of GPUs crush the Geforce ULV in the Tegra 3 and it is only going to get worse.
 
So if I only intend to use something like this for XBMC and N64/SNES emulation, is it going to be worth the extra cash to replace my MINIX Neo X5 which currently handles emulation just fine?
 
So if I only intend to use something like this for XBMC and N64/SNES emulation, is it going to be worth the extra cash to replace my MINIX Neo X5 which currently handles emulation just fine?

Is it expected that the Ouya will be capable of perfect N64 emulation? If so that would be another great selling point.
 

saunderez

Member
Is it expected that the Ouya will be capable of perfect N64 emulation? If so that would be another great selling point.

Perfect I doubt it. I'm not sure any Android N64 emulator is perfect. I've played Mario 64 on my Tegra 3 based Nexus 7 and it ran great but I wouldn't be so sure of a more intensive game like Banjo Tooie running smoothyl.
 

There have been several KickStarters already that were simply reselling already available Chinese manufactured Android sticks. It's incredibly low risk for the importers doing it. They get all the money up front, order exactly the number they need in bulk at a huge discount and pocket the difference. This is that "using KickStarter as a store" thing KS is keen to avoid, but keeps happening anyway.
 

R1CHO

Member
There have been several KickStarters already that were simply reselling already available Chinese manufactured Android sticks. It's incredibly low risk for the importers doing it. They get all the money up front, order exactly the number they need in bulk at a huge discount and pocket the difference. This is that "using KickStarter as a store" thing KS is keen to avoid, but keeps happening anyway.

And they tried to sell it like they are some kind of genius for figuring out a way to make such a small amazing device... disgusting.
 
And they tried to sell it like they are some kind of genius for figuring out a way to make such a small amazing device... disgusting.

It's super scummy. Here's the first one I noticed: Pocket TV. Looks like after funding in July they finally shipped last week. For a device that was literally already being sold online back in July for about $50. In total they raised 500K to deliver 3621 units at an average price of $138. So the people behind the kickstarter probably sat on the money for a few months, placed a bulk order with one of any number of Chinese factories that would manufacture, assemble and ship the device for less than $40 a unit and made something like 300K in pure profit after KS fees.

Oh, and to top it off it looks like people were forced to pay extra for shipping upon delivery from Fed EX, and the Pocket TV units themselves are flakey garbage that the project creators aren't standing behind.

EDIT: Found the other scummy Android Stick Kickstarter I was thinking of from July: Equiso Smart TV. They raised around $250K to deliver about 3K low end Android sticks. Those went out mostly in September, but the performance was far worse than promised. They also haven't delivered the Pro model they also offered during the KickStarter campaign at all. Things are super chippy in their Comments page on KS, and there is this epic post from one of the (claimed) founders of Equiso on a fan forum for the device describing some behind the scenes drama:

THIS is the only public statement I will make. I have a great attorney who can handle things from here on out. I will not go into the current legal situation and really it's nobody's business as it is ongoing, I will however let some truths be known.

This is my user handle, inside_equiso is an acquaintance of mine who has been privy to the illegal actions taken by my two co-founders. I reaffirm that I am co-founder or Equiso, my equity remains at 30% and I also am a board member of the company.

Oftentimes with startups greed takes people over. We have heard this tale time and again, but greed ain't good baby. I signed on because I thought it was a cool project, I was told it was a unique technology and even patentable. My passion is entrepreneurship and I was excited to build a company with a team. Had I done more research I would have found out that it really isn't that revolutionary of an idea and as some users of the forum have pointed out, is simply a Urtek (sp?) stick re-branded with our logo on it. I did not oversee the manufacturing so as far as I knew the stick was designed and sketched out in house, I was told we would be pursuing patents on the product -- How can you patent a product designed, configured and manufactured by another company? I was told many things which again, have turned out to be untrue.

Again, I hate the fact that I even have to post on here but it has gotten to the point where Jeffry Waye and Adam McBride are foolishly defaming my name on public forums, two words, libel defamation. I think it speaks volumes of a person's character when they post on a forum such as Kickstarter whereby I have no way of responding and defending myself as I have no access to the Kickstarter comments portal. To me that is worse than someone protecting their identity with a username on this forum. Publicly bashing anyone via a platform where they have no means of defending themselves is cowardly.

I have integrity and look to build businesses the correct and ethical way. Since Dec. 1, 2012 I have been illegally locked out of the company by my two co-founders. Maybe they didn't appreciate my speaking up on things that were unethical and not in the best interest of potential investors, current partners and the backers. I cannot associate my name with those who have no morals and take no issue with lying to people - it's dangerous and to be honest these actions constitute as fraud. I again will not disclose the entire story, unlike my co-founders I do not need to openly bash either one the truth will come out in the end. Jeffry Waye has taken it as far as posting threatening comments on his Facebook wall and requesting friends join in and bash my good name. Also such a wise decision to make while in the midst of a legal matter. Very savvy business folks indeed. With each lie and threat they put out there they actually build the case against themselves as there is overwhelming evidence, documents, texts, emails, recorded voice conversations etc that proves every claim they have made in regards to me is not true. So keep going with the tall tales Mother Goose, Aesop, just remember with every made up fairytale there's a moral to be learned at the end.

As an owner I want the company to be as successful as it can possibly be -- I have absolutely done nothing to harm the company. Some MAJOR company changes are needed and I am sure we will see those happen over the next few months. All I ask is that everyone let the attorneys handle this matter. To my co-founders and team at Equiso I ask we all respect one another and not take to public arenas in order to air our matters. I also ask that my two co-founders do not pose as innocent employees (unpaid employees) on kickstarter comments page. That is as said above "not cool." Leave the employees out of this, it is unprofessional. Leave this offline. It is for the best interest of all of us.

Also just to note the pros are in the process of being manufactured -- I wish I could confirm what phase they are at for all of you, but again I am illegally locked out. If it were up to me backers would be updated at least twice a week. Anyway I hope this clears some things up. I wish you all happy holidays and the truth will come out in the end.

** NIKO - may I ask you to delete this thread. It is filled with pure here-say and honestly I don't want employees dragged into this matter, they don't deserve it and I would like to protect them. Also it really has nothing to do with the device itself which is the purpose of the forum.

Respectfully,

Jeanine
Co-founder Equiso
 
Sorry if it was stated in the video, I briefly watched with the sound off - the final product isn't going to use that type of clear plastic is it?
 

whome0

Member
Should really be a new thread but the first Ouya console rival is now on Kickstarter:- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/872297630/gamestick-the-most-portable-tv-games-console-ever
They are using Amlogic 8726-MX dualcore A9 CPU@1.5GHz + Mali400 GPU@400Ghz, 1GB RAM, 8GB flash storage, Android 4.1 Jelly Bean platform. Someone can tell how it compares to OUYA Tegra3 chipset? I guess Mali400 should be a decent mobile gpu chip.

They say "Controller - Bluetooth, 3 mode controller: gamepad, mouse and keyboard with support for up to 4 controllers" in a kickstarter page. What does it mean to have 3 mode controller. Looking at the videos they don't have a touchpad mouse or keyboard in a controller?

edit: Tegra3 vs Mali400 post gives this table so Mali400 would be one step older gpu chip. Tegra3 is quadcore CPU chip. And reading internet more about chipsets it seems Gamestick hardware is probably too old-gen to run demanding game loads on decent TV resolutions. It would be fine in phone or tablet resolutions.
-1st gen: Adreno 200, Mali 200/300, SGX Power VR 520/530, Tegra 1
-2nd gen: Adreno 205, Mali 400MP/450MP, SGX Power VR 540/554, Tegra 2
-3rd gen: Adreno 220/225/320, Mali T604/640, SGX Power VR G 6200/6430, Tegra 3
 

R1CHO

Member
They are using Amlogic 8726-MX dualcore A9 CPU@1.5GHz + Mali400 GPU@400Ghz, 1GB RAM, 8GB flash storage, Android 4.1 Jelly Bean platform. Someone can tell how it compares to OUYA Tegra3 chipset? I guess Mali400 should be a decent mobile gpu chip.

They say "Controller - Bluetooth, 3 mode controller: gamepad, mouse and keyboard with support for up to 4 controllers" in a kickstarter page. What does it mean to have 3 mode controller. Looking at the videos they don't have a touchpad mouse or keyboard in a controller?

edit: Tegra3 vs Mali400 post gives this table so Mali400 would be one step older gpu chip.

Its a cheap soc used on cheap tablets like the Ramos w17pro. (arround 110$)

The gpu is the Mali400 indeed, but just the 2 core version.
 

Boerseun

Banned
The last few posts have been very educational, thanks guys!

For the first time I now realise where the "It's a scam!" people are coming from. They've just been burned one time too many. I never knew Kickstarter has seen so many of these all-in-one portable Android computer-type devices, all of which turned out to be duds and/or cons.

It has also lead me to see Boxer8 (the company making OUYA) in a new light. They knew there would be resistance from the public following on from the many other failures. But they went ahead anyway. That's bravery. Since day one they had to be that much more professional, that much more polished in terms of their presentaiton, and work that much harder to build a community that would embrace OUYA in the way fans of Nintendo do their platforms (for example).

Now we see their hard work paying off. 1 200 dev consoles have gone out. I can't wait for March. I anticipate an impressive launch.
 
The last few posts have been very educational, thanks guys!

For the first time I now realise where the "It's a scam!" people are coming from. They've just been burned one time too many. I never knew Kickstarter has seen so many of these all-in-one portable Android computer-type devices, all of which turned out to be duds and/or cons.

It has also lead me to see Boxer8 (the company making OUYA) in a new light. They knew there would be resistance from the public following on from the many other failures. But they went ahead anyway. That's bravery. Since day one they had to be that much more professional, that much more polished in terms of their presentaiton, and work that much harder to build a community that would embrace OUYA in the way fans of Nintendo do their platforms (for example).

Now we see their hard work paying off. 1 200 dev consoles have gone out. I can't wait for March. I anticipate an impressive launch.

The Ouya kickstarter was concurrent with the shady ones I mentioned above. They didn't press on bravely, there was no scandal for the others at that time. Some of us simply recognized that all three were promising a revolution when all they were really doing was repackaging commodity Android hardware. It remains to be seen if anything will come of Ouya as a platform, but even if it doesn't the kickstarter alone is probably nicely profitable for them if they just walk away after fulfillment.
 

Tash

Member
I can tell you guys in a few days how it compares strength wise with the other consoles. We unboxed ours today and will see how our current development projects work on the Ouya. We actually will try and test our current console game under development on it as well but I have a feeling Ouya won't be strong enough for the mechanics..we will see and I keep you updated (we actually had to get an adapter thingie since the kit came with the US outlet only).

Here some more pics for those interested. As mentioned the look-through finish is a limited edition and the final products will have a different design. It also came with a really nice appreciation letter and the product overall looks really polished and stylish (god but the actual thing is soooooooooooo tiny...) and in case it wasn't mentioned in the video (haven't check it out) there is a small touch-screen on the pads that works really nicely.

OUYA_devkit.png
 
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