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[Mael]

i don't see why so many developers are flocking so steam then, from indie to big publishers and ditching gfwl to steamworks.

Same reasons they went to Windows instead of Mac OS or Linux, they go where the market is.

as low on steam? no. that doesn't mean games won't keep on dropping in price in the following months as they always have. this just means you won't be able to resell it because it's tied to your psn id.

I'll have to remain pessimistic on this issue, psn certainly didn't prove that good this gen especially if you compare the sales between retail and digital.

Also because I did purchase something from them I had to chance my cc because their vault was so shitty.
That doesn't happen when I shop in BM.

Fixed my mistake.

Anyways i believe the sales and discounts will get better on Xbla and PSN when they go complete digital.

PSN didnt offer Day 1 retail games on DD till few months.

The Console Developers will most likly improve it next gen, they have improved this year especially SCEE.

Currently most games they still rely on Retail sales for majority revenue

Considering that not everyone want to spend a day or 2 dling a game I don't see how that's even close to the near future.
We'll see.

What's up with the unnecessary vitriol and the unrelated rant about Heavy Rain? Do you work for Gamestop?
Anyway, so you're saying that Gamestop is important for marketing. Which is really a part of the industry I could do with less of.

My work is as far you can imagine from Game as it can be, I don't take kindly to people suggesting other people should lose their jobs (fox News being the exception).
I can assure you that marketing is way more important you wouldn't want less off, unless you're happy with the market shrinking and all that.

Well, it's not like physical copies will be around for long in the grand scheme of things, so all of this isn't really relevant long-term.

Yeah unless you think every retailer ever will die in the near futur that's not happening.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Doesn't bother me, I don't buy used. I do trade in games though. So, ehh, I can live with this. I've invested thousands into steam and I'm not getting that money back, lol.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Do you expect anything else here?

-Sony might do some fucked up thing

/fans: FUCK YEAH! Bring it on! We love you Kaz!!!

Thats true for fans of every platform.

 

[meppi]

Companies research some technology preemptively...not necessarily intending to use but, to have it available if they have to.

It's not enough to say they will or won't use this tech. I think it is interesting though.

What I did find telling though was how PSP games already have a unique identification protocol put into them, even though the system itself never locked them down.
The first steps for this have been tested already.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Implementing this would assure that I wouldn't buy the system and I would be actively rooting for its failure.

That said I don't think sony will do this.

 

[Plinko]

I buy most of my new games because I'm able to sell my old ones for credit/cash. I know I'm not the only one.

 

[duckroll]

What I did find telling though was how PSP games already have a unique identification protocol put into them, even though the system itself never locked them down.
The first steps for this have been tested already.

Is this how the UMD Passport system works?

 

[-MB-]

What he is talking about is the level of discount. You could buy Trine 2 with the expansion on a Steam sale for 5 dollars while the WiiU sale is 16 dollars. Console sales kind of suck compared to what you can find on the pc.

Ofc Trine has been on Steam for quite some time, trine just only released last month on Eshop.

 

[dantevsninjas]

If this happens next gen, it just might be the end of my long career as a gamer.

 

[omonimo]

My God, this thing is so disgusting. In any case, if MS will do too, couldn't be a problem for sony but otherwise I suspect could damage a lot ps4 selling.

 

[slit]

Implementing this would assure that I wouldn't buy the system and I would be actively rooting for its failure.

That said I don't think sony will do this.

I doubt you'll be the only one. I have a feeling when the GP gets a whiff of this, things won't be pretty.

 

[gofreak]

What I did find telling though was how PSP games already have a unique identification protocol put into them, even though the system itself never locked them down.
The first steps for this have been tested already.

PS3 games have/had UUIDs too, I believe.

But it's a few steps away from this kind of regime.

 

[Oersted]

Sony pursued these kind of patents since year 2000.

https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/viewer?url=www.google.com/patents/US6816972.pdf

Was PS2 anti-used games? No.

Is PS3 anti-used games? No.

Will PS4 be anti-used games? No.

Nice find, but it isn´t like Sony hasn´t done any succesful step to take away your control over the games you play in the same time.

 

[SolarPowered]

Do it, Sony. Press the button... I dare you. MS has two options here. They could agree and do this in tandem with Sony or they could use this to deal the blow that ends Sony's gaming operations once and for all.

It would make for an interesting year in the game industry. That much is for sure.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I see this as an extension of online passes but instead of applying to just multiplayer, people who buy a used game will have to pay to unlock the whole game. So, a sold game becomes a demo for another person and can then be unlocked for a fee and ownership is transferred.

 

[Goldenroad]

Very anti-consumer...but hey, that's the way this industry has been headed for the last 5 years or so. Sometimes it just seems like these console manufacturers just want people to mod their systems and pirate their games.

 

[BadWolf]

My God, this thing is so disgusting. In any case, if MS will do too, couldn't be a problem for sony but otherwise I suspect could damage a lot ps4 selling.

If MS doesn't do it and Sony does then the PS4 will die a very quick death, since the WiiU doesn't do it either.

 

[vg260]

They have already started ID tagging games (Playstation All Stars & Ratchet Q Force), they lock to your account so only you can download the free PSVITA versions.

Yeah. Trying a physical copy to one account seems to be techincally in use already. I'm surprised how this slipped by so many people's radars.

If they lock it to a system, they better at least let you download a digital copy to your system as well. I'd probably be ok with that since I like digital, but physical copies have better deals. If they tie a physical disc to your account/system, but don't let you install and play without the disc, then that's really absurd.

 

[The Horror the horror]

WiiU ftw. Nintendo is usually 1.5 generations behind on the tech race these days so I won't expect Nintendo to implement this until Wii UU.

 

[Mael]

Yeah. Trying a physical copy to one account seems to be techincally in use already. I'm surprised how this slipped by so many people's radars.

If they lock it to a system, they better at least let you download a digital copy to your system as well. I'd probably be ok with that since I like digital, but physical copies have better deals. If they tie a physical disc to your account/system, but don't let you install and play without the disc, that's that's really absurd.

Well to be fair this is mostly to get free stuffs anyway.
I mean it's pretty clear in this :
Buy ps3 version get Vita for free.
I mean it's not like you're buying both.

 

[omonimo]

If MS doesn't do it and Sony does then the PS4 will die a very quick death, since the WiiU doesn't do it either.

I don't think so, but MS could gain a lot more userbase in my opinion.

 

[meppi]

Is this how the UMD Passport system works?

Yes it is.

Many people thought at the time that it would be impossible for Sony to "lock out" registered games since all the UMDs were thought to be exactly the same. Yet there seemed to be a code imbedded in each of them.

PS3 games have/had UUIDs too, I believe.

But it's a few steps away from this kind of regime.

Lets hope so.
I can deal with region locks, even though I'm not happy with them at all. (JP 360 just for Cave games for instance).
And even though I rarely buy used games, I'd hate to see something like this put into place as there are always games that you end up missing out on and can't buy new anymore several years later... That would really suck.
Loaning games out to friends or not being able to resell disappointing games would be terrible.

 

[Pranay]

Uhh Wait isnt this system more related to crossplay [ps4/vita] ?

 

[Garcia]

Holy fuck. 'Next gen will be even more ridiculous' has just been confirmed if Sony implements these kind of measures. Disgusting shit.

 

[ChimpanzeeThat]

I'm 100% behind a system that does this. I don't like to see the industry lose out just because people are too cheap to buy games.

 

[Durante]

I can assure you that marketing is way more important you wouldn't want less off, unless you're happy with the market shrinking and all that.

I don't know, 90% of the games I'm excited about this year are kickstarter projects or don't really have much of a marketing buget. The games actually promoted via Gamestop (the yearly CoD etc.) are not usually ones I care for.

Yeah unless you think every retailer ever will die in the near futur that's not happening.

Retail will exist for goods that need to be distributed physically. Mid- to long term, the distribution of digital goods via physical artifacts will seem ridiculously antiquated.

 

[benny_a]

PS3 games have/had UUIDs too, I believe.

PS3 blu-ray discs certainly have a one-time redemption system. See the way Cross-buy works on US PSN copies of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale. That system uses the Internet though.

 

[omonimo]

I'm 100% behind a system that does this. I don't like to see the industry lose out just because people are too cheap to buy games.

Yeah poor industry :\ I don't know if you are serious but I though customer rights were untouchable. But sony is not new in those kind of things.

 

[disco]

Well I guess it'll tidy up the local GAME store. Won't look so much like a jumble sale anymore...

 

[Mael]

I don't know, 90% of the games I'm excited about this year are kickstarter projects or don't really have much of a marketing buget. The games actually promoted via Gamestop (the yearly CoD etc.) are not usually ones I care for.

Well to be fair the lower budget games are getting killed anyway because publishers can't budget for shit...
Looking at this year and the next I don't think there's much that is interesting.

Retail will exist for goods that need to be distributed physically. Mid- to long term, the distribution of digital goods via physical artifacts will seem ridiculously antiquated.

So you mean that games as products instead of services are a dying breed?

 

[Neuromancer]

Sounds like something they'd talk about but not actually do. I remember either Sony saying it, or it being heavily rumored, that the PS3 wouldn't run used games either and obviously that didn't happen.

Edit: I found it, this is from 2005

The latest rumor, generated from several patent sites, claims that Sony has secured a patent for a disk technology that prevents the use of used, as well as pirated, software. From the registered patent description:

"A device and method for protection of legitimate software against used software and counterfeit software in recording media… A specific title code is read, and if this title code has been registered, the main unit shifts to a normal operation. If the code has not been registered, verification software is initiated… If matching does not occur, the disk is processed as illegitimate software… Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end-user becomes practically impossible."

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/08/playstation-3-wont-play-used-games/

 

[Quackula]

So if down the line I find out about some older PS4 game I'm interested in that kinda flew under my radar that's since gone out of print, I'm SOL and can never play that game? Sounds great.

I avoid buying used (for current gen at least), but sometimes used is the only legitimate way to get and play a game. I collect and play lots of older games for example, and something like this would make the system completely unusable once it becomes obsolete.

This would absolutely be a huge deal breaker for me, I'd refuse to support it on principle.

 

[duckroll]

Yes it is.

Many people thought at the time that it would be impossible for Sony to "lock out" registered games since all the UMDs were thought to be exactly the same. Yet there seemed to be a code imbedded in each of them.

That's really interesting. I too have wondered how they would carry out this system without friends just passing UMDs around, but I never really researched it much. It seems rather forward thinking of Sony to have these systems in place even though they were never initially used.

 

[Mario007]

Would people be more ok with this sort of a system if the Platinum or Greatest Hits collections took place of Used games in gaming shops?

Beause I'd much prefer to buy a 'Greatest Hits' or 'Platinum' version of the game a year down the line than having to go Gamestop where they only have used copies of the game for pretty much the same price, maybe 5 euro cheaper.

 

[Garcia]

I'm 100% behind a system that does this. I don't like to see the industry lose out just because people are too cheap to buy games.

Jesus Christ! Are you fucking serious!?

My sarcasmometer just exploded.

 

[Green Mamba]

I'm 100% behind a system that does this. I don't like to see the industry lose out just because people are too cheap to buy games.

Fucking consumers man, thinking that they have rights and shit.

 

[Presco]

Thank god everything will be free to play next gen so this won't be an issue!

Right?

 

[Quackula]

Would people be more ok with this sort of a system if the Platinum or Greatest Hits collections took place of Used games in gaming shops?

Beause I'd much prefer to buy a 'Greatest Hits' or 'Platinum' version of the game a year down the line than having to go Gamestop where they only have used copies of the game for pretty much the same price, maybe 5 euro cheaper.

So what happens after those collections go out of print or after the console is no longer current?

 

[Shin Johnpv]

It's fully anti-used-game-consumer, I can see that.

Come on man. It's anti-consumer. As a consumer you have the right to sell the things you bought. Not only does this stop used gamers from buying used goods, but it stops anyone from selling those goods. Let alone a slew of other things it would stop. This is anti-consumer not anti-used-game consumer.

 

[Mael]

Would people be more ok with this sort of a system if the Platinum or Greatest Hits collections took place of Used games in gaming shops?

Beause I'd much prefer to buy a 'Greatest Hits' or 'Platinum' version of the game a year down the line than having to go Gamestop where they only have used copies of the game for pretty much the same price, maybe 5 euro cheaper.

So you want to replace used games by something that is already in place?
Last I checked Platinium hits and other reduced pricd lines already exist

 

[Mario007]

So what happens after those collections go out of print or after the console is no longer current?

PSN?

Also those editions really don't go out of print as usually they then slip into the Essentials editions. For example I can still buy AC the original thanks to that.

 

[gofreak]

So if down the line I find out about some older PS4 game I'm interested in that kinda flew under my radar that's since gone out of print, I'm SOL and can never play that game?

The whole catalog will probably be available digitally ala Vita next-gen. Emergent licensing issues aside it should be always possible to legitimately purchase a game.

 

[Mario007]

So you want to replace used games by something that is already in place?
Last I checked Platinium hits and other reduced pricd lines already exist

Oh they do, but at least here in Ireland, HMV or Game or Tesco don't really stock them. Instead Gamestop just has a huge load of used games. What I am advocating is having Platinum line there instead of the used games.

 

[Durante]

Well to be fair the lower budget games are getting killed anyway because publishers can't budget for shit...
Looking at this year and the next I don't think there's much that is interesting.

I couldn't disagree more, there are more games in my favourite genre (isometric RPGs) this year than there have been in a long time.

So you mean that games as products instead of services are a dying breed?

No, I mean just what I say: games as physical products are a dying breed. Even if you call buying games on Steam a service (and there are valid reasons for doing so), buying them on GOG is most certainly a digital product.

 

[Quackula]

The whole catalog will probably be available digitally ala Vita next-gen. Emergent licensing issues aside it should be always possible to legitimately purchase a game.

Those sorts of issues are exactly at the core of my concerns though.

 

[sublimit]

My God, this thing is so disgusting. In any case, if MS will do too, couldn't be a problem for sony but otherwise I suspect could damage a lot ps4 selling.

There's no way for one company to do it and not the other.If only one does it better not bother to launch a new console at all.


I buy 98% of my games new but i would hate it if the greed of those companies reach this level of stupidity.Why movie studios aren't doing the same?
If i don't like a product that i bought with my hard earned money i should be allowed to sell it.If you don't give me this option then i will be extremelly more picky about what i buy and this will hurt the industy.Don't punish the consumer for buying your product because this will only turn back at you and bite you in the ass.

 

[duckroll]

Anything which is anti-consumer is usually anti-some-sort-of-consumer. It is pretty rare that something is anti-any-consumer, because if that is the case then it is likely no one will buy those goods or services at all. The inconvenience of the anti-consumer practice will often impact only a portion of paying customers based on their personal practices and how they tend to use the goods or services. Some practices impact more consumers, some less. But in the end, if people don't stand up for something which doesn't affect them, they might not have anyone around to support them when it's their turn to be affected by another anti-consumer practice.

 

[Mael]

Oh they do, but at least here in Ireland, HMV or Game or Tesco don't really stock them. Instead Gamestop just has a huge load of used games. What I am advocating is having Platinum line there instead of the used games.

That's more a problem of your shitty retailer more than anything.
There's a reason why GAME push for used games more than other product lines, it's nothing new : margin for new games is too low so they want another revenue line instead of closing shop.

I couldn't disagree more, there are more games in my favourite genre (isometric RPGs) this year than there have been in a long time.

Publishers have managed a great job in making sure that I don't care for most of the offer anyway. So yeah I don't really care I have a huge backlog that is is better than anything the industry can throw at me anyway.
I'm also not a PC gamer considering I don't use Windows and there's no way in hell I'm supporting Apple and their shitty system anymore.
If you must know gaming on a PC is a luxury I usually do without, I do have one for work related stuffs though.

No, I mean just what I say: games as physical products are a dying breed. Even if you call buying games on Steam a service (and there are valid reasons for doing so), buying them on GOG is most certainly a digital product.

I don't know about GoG aside from very basic stuffs but I do know that if I ever go digital only I won't settle for less than what they offer.
Steam on the other hand is providing ways to buy services not products.

 

[Seik]

Sony has researched new tech for losing me as a customer.

 

[vg260]

Well to be fair this is mostly to get free stuffs anyway.
I mean it's pretty clear in this :
Buy ps3 version get Vita for free.
I mean it's not like you're buying both.

Yeah, I'm just saying regardless, they have the tech in use already to tie a physical disc to one account, with the physical disc esentially being an unlock key. You can't take the disc and redeem the Vita version on another system. It ties the physical disc to an account. It's already being done techincally. They could just as easily make the disc be an unlock key for the PS3 version instead of a Vita version.