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[Chie Satonaka]

People watched Tokyo Drift and suddenly become japanese social issues experts

My sides are moving on their own. :lol

 

[params7]

and?

Shitty journalism.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Source?

Been posted many times in this thread that it's banned on TV.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Kamiya is awesome.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

If something like 80% of the @ tweets David Jaffe got were in Spanish from Spanish people and were all asking him inane questions (to which he's already answered) or trying to get a rise out of him, I think he'd be justified in saying, "What's with all of these fucking Spanish people spamming my Twitter?"

And as I spaniard I wouldn't even be offended...

 

[kittens]

I love Kamiya.

 

[Ratrat]

It was a few years ago, I had to call them to add my card back then.

There's a Japanese store now, uses us currency, blocks a few games but awesome otherwise.

 

[Aeana]

It's literally 'outside-person' and 'outside-country-person' in terms of the difference in the literal semantics of the characters and I have seen people argue that 外国人 is a much more racist term.

It's impossible to argue which term is "more racist," because what matters is how they're used. People use 外人 in more derisive ways than 外国人, so it's been determined to be "more offensive," but you can get the same feeling across with any word you want to.

 

[Durante]

So if an American like David Jaffe for example laughed about stupid foreigners in an interview with a Spanish/Russian/Italian magazine, people would justify it here?

I think that's a fair point.

 

[King_Moc]

Can't really defend what Kamiya said, but what do you expect? If you push enough, you'll get a reaction.

 

[duckroll]

Lets not forget that steam is most likely region blocked in Japan.

I lived in Singapore for 3 years and steam was worthless there. Most download & streaming services are moot overseas.

Worthless? Really? I've lived in Singapore all my life, and I use for PC gaming these days is Steam. How was it worthless? Did you somehow not have good internet or something? I've been using Steam since Half-Life 2. What problems did you encounter while you tried to use Steam in Singapore? Steam isn't region blocked in Japan either. I know a number of people living and working there who use it frequently as well.

 

[Haunted]

Kamiya would have made an excellent fighting game player.

Gaijin Works

Well, that's self-deprecating/self-referential humour, no?

 

[fart town usa]

I'd like to weigh in on the side that thinks Kotaku is terrible but also Kamiya is acting like a (hilarious) child. The foreigner stuff is inexcusable, though. Unless you're some damn foreigner from one of those racist countries.

It seems like he said "foreigner" because of the tweet he was replying to in which someone was paraphrasing him.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

People watched Tokyo Drift and suddenly become japanese social issues experts

Someone photoshop Plunkett's and Kamiya's faces onto this.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The guy sounds arrogant but this is Kotaku....so I'm not sure which side I should cheer on. I guess I side with the guy a bit more since LoL-taku has been nothing but a joke time and time again.

I don't really think that he's arrogant. He just seems to be in constant troll mode because people are always trolling him on twitter.

 

[Derrick01]

I'd like to weigh in on the side that thinks Kotaku is terrible but also Kamiya is acting like a (hilarious) child. The foreigner stuff is inexcusable, though. Unless you're some damn foreigner from one of those racist countries.

Agreed. He acts like this a lot seeing as I'm always being shown similar kinds of tweets, and of course he's mostly applauded for it.

 

[traveler]

Since when does being angry excuse this shit? No one is condemning the guy to hell on this, but the comment certainly merits more disapproval than apathy.

What if it's a situation where, in fact, the only people who "can't drive for shit" happen to be foreigners?

Are you serious? "Stupid fucking black idiot!" is obviously racist, regardless of whether the label used is pc/non-PC. Context is everything; it's not liking he's identifying which of the stupid fucking idiots before him is truly stupid, where a label might actually serve some purpose- he's specifically making it about the foreigner nature of the people in question when stupid fucking idiots would serve just as well. Kamiya is one of my favorite developers and I like seeing Kotaku get put in their place as much as anyone, but how are his latter comments in any way defensible?

 

[kittens]

http://i.imgur.com/vTy8k.jpg

loltaku.

Wow, that's actually a fantastic analogy.

 

[Rpgmonkey]

These controversies with Kamiya's twitter seem to go through the same cycle every time.

"Do you eat shit?" is such a crazy response that it got a laugh out of me though, haha.

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

No offense, I don't think you are actually paying attention to the words he stuck in front of it. He deliberately says "some" before the insult in a post that is otherwise amicable to english speaking readers of his twitter. By putting the insult in Japanese he is likely being cheeky or maybe trying to vent his frustration in a way that will slip by most. I think the intent is pretty clear.

This thread is incredibly frustrating. I'd wish someone could at least tell me I'm wrong.

I don't know, I think the "issue" is just that he chose the word "foreigner". It's pretty clear that he's using the term to specifically refer to the English-speakers that troll his twitter, but despite knowing that, it's kind of awkward to me that he uses that phrase in place of "fucking idiots" or whatever.

 

[Rubius]

Lol.. What? No..

Saying foreigners is racism. We outside of glorious Japan cannot get on the level of those Japanese people. That's what is implied. It is racism, no doubt about that. Its like if the a guy from US said "Well you dont even live in the US, so obviously you dont know shit"

 

[Kacho]

This is basically that Kotaku thing too. It reeks of the whole "oh look at these cute little Japanese people who just don't understand modern technology!" that's been going on all generation.

Yeah, it is quite tiresome.

 

[Chuck Norris]

If something like 80% of the @ tweets David Jaffe got were in Spanish from Spanish people and were all asking him inane questions (to which he's already answered) or trying to get a rise out of him, I think he'd be justified in saying, "What's with all of these fucking Spanish people spamming my Twitter?"

If a huge proportion of his game sold in Spanish speaking countries, I doubt he would feel the need to call them "fucking Spanish people". This is not frustration from confusion. Frankly his tweets show contempt for people who enjoy his games.

 

[Malvingt2]

what low blow move from Kotaku... like seriously, how low can you get?

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

And American game journalists are mocked on British podcasts around E3 for their hooting and hollering.

Remember the Eurogamer controversy...

 

[StreetsAhead]

It's impossible to argue which term is "more racist," because what matters is how they're used. People use 外人 in more derisive ways than 外国人, so it's been determined to be "more offensive," but you can get the same feeling across with any word you want to.

Exactly! Japanese is more about how you use words, than the actual term, in general. Some of the best Japanese insults are the most politely worded.

 

[2San]

It seems like he said "foreigner" because of the tweet he was replying to in which someone was paraphrasing him.

He says that in Japanese. That person was translating him not paraphrasing him.

 

[volturnus]

If something like 80% of the @ tweets David Jaffe got were in Spanish from Spanish people and were all asking him inane questions (to which he's already answered) or trying to get a rise out of him, I think he'd be justified in saying, "What's with all of these fucking Spanish people spamming my Twitter?"

Now that's a proper comparison. His tweet can't be offensive in any angle IMO.

 

[Funchameleon]

http://i.imgur.com/vTy8k.jpg

loltaku.

Wow, that's actually a fantastic analogy.

Yeah, it is. A really good Gawker article in a sea of sensationalist bullshit. People just hate being confronted with difficult truths I guess.

 

[Riposte]

So if an American like David Jaffe for example laughed about stupid foreigners in an interview with a Spanish/Russian/Italian magazine, people would justify it here?

Kamiya did not make a general insult directed towards entire groups of people. He was specifically targeted people on his twitter (and maybe Kotaku, though Kotaku was also on twitter talking to him). Given the word "some" was in english, you haven't much of an excuse.

It looks like members on NeoGAF can give Kotaku a run for its money on misrepresenting what others say.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

what low blow move from Kotaku... like seriously, how low can you get?

Not as low as Kamiya responding with his vitriol..............

 

[Laughing Banana]

People tend to get offended by people who come off as confrontational. Especially to their fanbase

First of all: there was nothing 'confrontational' about the original tweet that sparked this whole thing. He just said he didn't know much about Valve and he's disinterested towards PC gaming. He didn't say "PC GAMING IS SHIT!" or anywhere close to that.

Apparently that is enough for Kotaku to write a disparaging article about him though.

Personally, I think some of the people here are continuously trying to paint him as a bad person due to the simple sentiment of, yes, how dare he didn't know much about Valve and that he's disinterested towards PC gaming. That sentiment increased their prejudice towards Kamiya so much that everything he said now is like an affront towards humanity or something like that.

Worthless? Really? I've lived in Singapore all my life, and I use for PC gaming these days is Steam. How was it worthless? Did you somehow not have good internet or something? I've been using Steam since Half-Life 2. What problems did you encounter while you tried to use Steam in Singapore? Steam isn't region blocked in Japan either. I know a number of people living and working there who use it frequently as well.

Wait what, you are in Singapore? I always thought you are living in Japan!

*mindblown*

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I think that's a fair point.

See

If something like 80% of the @ tweets David Jaffe got were in Spanish from Spanish people and were all asking him inane questions (to which he's already answered) or trying to get a rise out of him, I think he'd be justified in saying, "What's with all of these fucking Spanish people spamming my Twitter?"

 

[Himself]

Is Kamiya the new Phil Fish?

 

[fart town usa]

Worthless? Really? I've lived in Singapore all my life, and I use for PC gaming these days is Steam. How was it worthless? Did you somehow not have good internet or something? I've been using Steam since Half-Life 2. What problems did you encounter while you tried to use Steam in Singapore?

It wouldn't let me download anything from the store due to the region I was in, I used Starhub Internet. To get around it I would download stuff off amazon and then use the cd key to download it off steam, sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldn't.

I just moved outta there back in March of 2012, lived in the Sembawang area. Beautiful island.

 

[gryz]

did anyone even look at the twitter account of the person he's responding to?

"fucking stupid idiot foreigners" is completely justified in this case

 

[PixyJunket]

I would hate to be so obsessively agenda driven to not see the fun in Kamiya's Twitter.

Frankly, the guy can say whatever he wants after the dumb things I've seen directed towards him in regards to Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U game.

 

[Jintor]

Lets not forget that steam is most likely region blocked in Japan.

I lived in Singapore for 3 years and steam was worthless there. Most download & streaming services are moot overseas.

Wilflare's from Singapore and he's the primary Australian contact to the US markets!

 

[JABEE]

It's also interesting to look at how these headlines are created. I know in newspapers, there are separate people who create the headlines for articles.

Here's a Kotaku article calling David Jaffe a misogynist, because he made a joke about letting your girlfriend win in Twisted Metal.

http://kotaku.com/5883107/does-david-jaffe-really-recommend-his-new-game-as-a-sexual-aid

 

[Malvingt2]

Not as low as Kamiya responding with his vitriol..............

reaction to the low blow.. So yeah, I am fine with that. He is a very explosive guy

 

[I'm an expert]

Saying foreigners is racism. We outside of glorious Japan cannot get on the level of those Japanese people. That's what is implied. It is racism, no doubt about that. Its like if the a guy from US said "Well you dont even live in the US, so obviously you dont know shit"

As someone who spent the last 9 of 10 years living in Japan, I could write a book on foreigner "racism". You can call me Debito (extra points if you get that). I was responding to the inferrence that the word gaijin is banned on Japanese tv. It's not lol, it is not at all a taboo word. The use and context is important, but it does not automatically have a derogatory connotation.

 

[Ratrat]

Been posted many times in this thread that it's banned on TV.

That's interesting. Looking it up, it seems many foreigners consider it offensive after all, polite Japanese speakers would say gaikokujin. Never knew.

 

[AntMurda]

The article is sensationalist, but Kamiya is also acting like a retard. Stop penis worshipping him. "OMG HAHA Kamiya is soo cool", freakin bozos.

 

[Chuck Norris]

It's impossible to argue which term is "more racist," because what matters is how they're used. People use 外人 in more derisive ways than 外国人, so it's been determined to be "more offensive," but you can get the same feeling across with any word you want to.

If somebody on this forum, say in a Media Create thread decided to post the exact same thing in Japanese, while having a debate - would you deem it unnecessary and racist?

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

It seems like he said "foreigner" because of the tweet he was replying to in which someone was paraphrasing him.

When English-speakers start shitting up his twitter feed, sometimes he comments "stupid foreigners" (because he never seems to get spammed by his Japanese followers). Last night he signed off for the night and and commented about being trolled by "stupid foreigners" again, but he did so in Japanese. The person he was responding to in that tweet translated his Japanese comment and took offense to it.

 

[Shinta]

I'm dying lol. Dear god, this is brilliant. I love his response. Just completely fucking perfect.

The irony of them spinning one person not being interested in PC gaming into all of Japan being "clueless," is that they also ran stories today about the SteamBox. The SteamBox is only even coming out because lots of people in the west aren't interested in PC gaming either and want a more streamlined console experience.

The cognitive dissonance is impressive. Japan = bad, backwards, clueless. West = great. Even if we're talking about the same thing. Good job Kamiya for calling them out.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

reaction to the low blow.. So yeah, I am fine with that. He is a very explosive guy

Explosive lol

Well, he's not a bad guy but he over reacted.

 

[Foffy]

Steam isn't region blocked in Japan either. I know a number of people living and working there who use it frequently as well.

How popular is Steam to most of the Japanese developer community? Like, surely it has some presence but would Kamiya, a developer for dedicated consoles, really be in the pool of being familiar with Steam? I'm a little taken back that people expect him to know about stuff pertaining to a market/service/platform he's never developed a game for.

 

[params7]

Indian here, immigrant. Never thought foreigners was a racist word. Wow.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

After the fucking doritosgate debacle, it blows me away that people would rather discuss Kamiya's response to a random twitter douchelord than the actual story here.