That's a game not a new console. Hype as GeoW:J may invoke, it would not affect either Sony or MS pertaining to next gen hardware. And the cream is still designated for E3. So whatever either party decides to show off of their next gen systems before E3 it'd be pretty limited.
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VGLeaks: PlayStation 4 "Orbis" Roadmap
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That's a game not a new console. Hype as GeoW:J may invoke, it would not affect either Sony or MS pertaining to next gen hardware. And the cream is still designated for E3. So whatever either party decides to show off of their next gen systems before E3 it'd be pretty limited.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Of course people are getting ahead of themselves! This generation has been going on for too long.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I am saying Microsoft could do the reveal in March or April. Sony is clearly waiting until May because that would be after their big name PS3 games are out.
No, I think the economy stinks, people have less money, and everyone wants a tablet, so they're more likely to spend money on it than a new machine. I also think its inevitable that those big types of games will be available through Apple, not to mention what's coming with the Steam Box, and whatever other competitors emerge.
People could be right about initial sales being strong, as long as both MS and Sony bring their A game at launch — but I think these are very high hopes we have no real reason to believe will happen.
It's the long-term I'm convinced is going to be a problem. No way these things will last seven years if they're not tablets.
Which brings me back to the SSD discussion — that's another good reason why it should be an SSD inside the consoles. Make them tablets with 64 GB, or 128 GB SSD, and then sell proprietary "docks" with way more space you can plug the tablet into when you get home. It would be the dock/charge station, which you also use to store the bulk of your content, and use when you want to play a big console game on the TV. Easy-to-use transfer utility, that functions not just as "here are the things I want to take with me" but also "here are the games I'm playing currently, and want to run at their best."
Hell, to really rake in the cash, they could even sell big SSD drives as the dock, and charge heavily for them.
Edit: This is such a good idea. I'm super-smart.
There have been rumblings about of rudimentary official info that may be disseminated during Playstation Destination event in Feb. Plus, I don't think MS will announce anything concrete about next gen at the time of releasing one of their flagship franchise's instalment on their current gen system.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I hope Destination PlayStation is when we hear of the PS4.
Vol5
Member
Oculus Rift is a kickstarter being run by one dude. Sony are a huge technology company who have already released a visor minus headtracking. If they don't have something to market this year or the next that's as good or better than Oculus I'd be very suprised. In fact, PS Move is perfectly positioned to take advantage of a headset making the transition to VR an even more mouthwatering prospect.
MrCunningham
Member
Mobile devices are where its at now. Even with the kids.
Even my 14 year old nephew ended up getting an iPad for Christmas this year. To him the Nintendo 3DS is kiddie, and only something like a flashy iOS device can satisfy his "I'm not a child anymore, so stop treating me like one!" adolescent tastes.
Clay Davis
Member
a lot of credit to sony for making sure their console had a lot of exclusive titles this year, but it's a decision that might just bite them in the arse.
if microsoft announce before them and maybe even show off a title of two, it's going to be hard for sony to recapture that momentum from microsoft unless they show something significantly better or different than whatever microsoft reveal.
time will tell I guess, but I hope sony doesn't end up losing too much or any momentum to microsoft. I want to see sony come out fighting.
Damn right about that.
airmangataosenai
Member
People, the game and movie industries are pretty much completely recession proof. Remember, 2001 was a huge year for the game industry, as was 2008/09.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Why would revealing second be a bad thing? Sony has naughty dog and SSM. Whatever they are making will match or exceed whatever microsoft's titles will look like. Revealing second would give them the benefit of knowing what Microsoft has and working their reveal around that. Plus it would be the more recent thing in people's minds leading up to E3
pharmboy044
Member
It's not a bad thing. People are just overreacting. The hardware info is not as important as the release date. I hope they both release on the same day. I don't think GAF can take that kind of scenario, lol.
yurinka
Member
Yesterday I checked the GT6 rumor thread where they mentioned the supposed GT6 leak (even if it's just a random post in a thread with no solid trust) and it was mentioned to be released in Japan during March 2014, so according to this rumor the console already should be lunched there.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I think the industry would explode.
Not a bad thing at all. Neither company is apple so any event outside E3 won't get much coverage or hype outside the hardcore audience who IMO will be there anyways. It will be all on E3 to try and suck in some of the COD crowd.
I don't think 14 year olds were ever the "target" market for handhelds. 14 year olds generally want the "cool" stuff, that's why they are generally on XBL.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Not the first time they have done, God of War 2 was release few weeks/(months in US) after PS3 out.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
This is what I'm thinking. For Destination PlayStation, this is stated:
Now, I don't expect this event to detail every single title coming in 2013 for that would be very absurd. However, there's bound to be something new for the only titles currently announced for both PS3 and PS Vita, for North America anyway, are the following:
- God of War: Ascension
- MLB 13: The Show
- Puppeteer
- Soul Sacrifice
- Tearaway
- The Last of Us
- Until Dawn
- Wonderbook: Diggs Nightcrawler
- Army of Two: The Devil's Cartel
- BioShock Infinite
- Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2
- Crysis 3
- Dark Souls II
- Dead or Alive 5 Plus
- Defiance
- Grand Theft Auto V
- Injustice: Gods Among Us
- LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
- Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
- Remember Me
- Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Blacklist
- Tomb Raider
In 2009, they previewed seven first party titles. They have one more this year of already announced titles. Will they announce something more? I don't know, but regardless of this being a fairly nice lineup it doesn't take away the potential problems arising from not at least discussing the next PlayStation console. If I attended this event as a member of retail I would sure want to know something and not just sit there watching Jack & Co pretend that PlayStation 3 is just hitting its stride.
As for GDC, the same thing applies. The console will certainly be there in one way or another though maybe not for "public" display. If there's no comment on the business at GDC I would start to wonder what's going on.
statham
Member
but atleast you could play it on the PS3 at the time. Doesn't look like the case this time.
Opus Angelorum
Member
It will be interesting to see just how close to the final PS3 push (this quarter) Sony want to usher in the PS4.
Microsoft have a much easier route.
Microsoft have a much easier route.
yurinka
Member
I'll translate it for GAF.
... some talk about the good adoption of new technology in the Chilean market when compared to the rest of Latin America and about NFC devices and then...Emol said:
Emol said:
Devs would still prefer 4x3.2 Ghz cores over 8x1.6 Ghz cores, assuming same IPC for both.
As far as SSD, It'll be the Smartphone/Tablet model: 8/16 GB soldered to the motherboard working in conjunction with an (optional) mechanical SSD.
Also all Sony needs to be as popular as MS in the USA is a better controller and online service.
pharmboy044
Member
You know, people are saying this about the PS4 but completely ignore the NextXbox. Aren't both boxes not going to have BC?
Sony will have a blowout after The Last Of Us I bet, or GoW:A, depending on when that comes. Hyping a new ND IP without stealing its thunder by announcing PS4. GoW2 survived a release after next gen qas announced (right? It's been too long) and the franchise is pretty established now, anyway, so they might not wait for it to release.
Getting as much TLOU preoders/first months sales as possible, then PS4 announcement and maybe cheaper PS3 bundles (does the 12 gig Slim exist in the states).
I don't think a loop box/xbox 720/infinite or whatever it'll be called would be as damaging for the sales of a PS3 exclusive as Sony itself hyping their new shit and for the next gen sales the pre-launch marketing is probably more important than either being the first to announce and getting untouchable mindshare for that.
Getting as much TLOU preoders/first months sales as possible, then PS4 announcement and maybe cheaper PS3 bundles (does the 12 gig Slim exist in the states).
I don't think a loop box/xbox 720/infinite or whatever it'll be called would be as damaging for the sales of a PS3 exclusive as Sony itself hyping their new shit and for the next gen sales the pre-launch marketing is probably more important than either being the first to announce and getting untouchable mindshare for that.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Should be a new thread, that's a pretty clear statement (even with poor translation).
I would not put it past the software engineers at MS to figure out some sort of BC like they did last time. They went from INTEL/NVIDIA to IBM/AMD and was able to get working quite a few titles. People are doubting Sony because it would seem the CELL would be a bitch to emulate. There is nothing to special about the XENON to make emulation a bitch like the CELL.
Do it.
shadowsdarknes
Member
I'm honestly wayyyyyyy more hyped at the prospect of VR than a large bump in graphics (I want amazing gfx don't get me wrong). I will be terribly upset if a VR headset isn't part of the controller package for Sony.
pharmboy044
Member
People were saying the same thing about PS2 emulation but it looks like Sony sort of got that working. Maybe they can do the same with the PS3.
yurinka
Member
I'll make the new thread. Edit : was already created.
How many years after launch did it take to get there? By the time they got it working no one really cares anymore.
Yeah, the unveiling timing doesn't matter as long as when the time comes multiplats look similar and the 1st party games are stunners.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Sony only messed up on the PS3. The 512MB of RAM and 128MB VRAM on the Vita is plenty.
They originally wanted 2Gb but every developer yelled at them which is why they're targeting 4 now.
Cyborg
Member
Targetting? Thats what scares me. Sony didnt made good calls in the past years
lwilliams3
Member
I think one of the issues with Vita is that there was a very narrow vision on what the system would be targeted to. I believe on representative of Sony said something like "we are targeting 20-30 year old males that also have a Playstation 3." That makes the system sound like its purpose is to just be a companion to the PS3.
Sony also seems a bit reluctant to do all they can to get the Vita back on its feet. This is in contrast to what Sony did with the PS3, but it is not surprising if you look back at how they dealt with the PSP. Sony did not do a lot to help the PSP when its popularity was fading. The reason why the PSP was able to stay somewhat revelant was due to Capcom and the MH series. Capcom's success led to the PSP's strong market in Japan..but Sony is losing that now. The PSVita's struggles shouldn't reflect the PS4, though, as long as Sony shows strong commitment to it.
Cyborg
Member
I hope they call it PS4, playstation is a strong brandname. They made a mistake with Psvita, they should have named it psp2.
SniperHunter
Banned
2 gb PS4 vs 8 GB xbox 8...sony would be screwed
Imagine it would have definitely been the third parties. I feel sad for Sony's first parties who don't have the same bargaining power as third parties hence may have had to take so much up the arse.
And a pertinent fact would have that they were developing their next gen games with "less than" 2GB in mind because of the unspecified (in size) yet inevitable presence of an OS. If I had to guess, I'd say their target was between 1.2 and 1.5GB. And lest we forget, as I have shown through a KZ3 screenshot in earlier pages, it would mean at any given time, minimum ram usage would be around 50-60% of available quantity.
The only good thing this could have led to is perhaps newer or/and better methods of streaming assets.
SniperHunter
Banned
what are you going on about?? I think they have a lot of bargaining power, I mean at the end of the day they are the one who is creating all the games and working on the ICE engine.
cyberheater
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How is that true?
Devs are very experienced at splitting up tasks to run on separate threads/cores. As long as your main gaming thread runs on a 1.6ghz core then you're good to go.
Lagspike_exe
Member
It's still easier to write 4 core code than for 8 cores.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Not everyone are very experienced.
cyberheater
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I can understand this but in the real world I don't see that they're would be much in it. They are well versed in writing code that runs on 6 logical cores on the Xbox360 and multiple SPE's etc... on the PS3.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Good luck creating games on next gen machines if your not experienced.
RAM amount. From what Kagari said, while both first and third parties both contributed to the design of PS4, I would assume that it was the implication of potentially poorer ports (i.e. third parties' products) which pushed Sony to now up the rumoured amount to 4GB (which is also a rumour).
If XBox didn't exist or its RAM spec was not rumoured to be 8GB (DDR3), I am pretty certain PS4 would have gotten away with putting 2GB even if their first parties pleaded with them to increase the amount.