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Killer is Dead (Grasshopper, 360/PS3) screens
- Thread starter SolidSnakex
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So you only like 1? ;_;
That sounds goofy. Might as well say you don't like the art style then, because those things are part of it.
It's hard to say whether he's changed or not when he hasn't been actively involved in day to day game development since NMH.
Well, I guess you could say he's changed in the sense that he's more a producer now that has his name slapped on any game to come out of Grasshopper.
Phonomezer
Banned
Looks fantastic 
Those things are the subject matter. The character design, the world design. The art style is the manner in which they're rendered. In this case, high-contrast cel-shading with bold colors, shininess and lots of definition. The art style in this game could be applied to many different things -- just like how black and white is used in movies with stories spanning all time periods.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Looks promising! 2013 keeps on giving!
We should hear who the western publisher is soon. It only took WB a couple of weeks to announce Lollipop Chainsaw.
dragonlife
Member
Oh my god, that looks awesome. Really digging the dude's design. I hope this is one of the titles Yamaoka wants to put on PC <3
No, art style includes all of those things. You're basically reducing art style to nothing but vague technical qualities with your definition. I mean, "shininess", "lots of definition"? Seriously?
Also, black and white film is not an "artstyle." There are many different styles of film shot in black and white.
â Narayan
Member
Has there been any word on who's doing the soundtrack?
I hope he has the whole pie.
â Narayan
Member
I expect so. I'm just wondering if Masafumi Takada is returning. He composed a majority of the soundtrack for Killer7 after all. Lately he seems to be Shinji Mikami's go-to guy, so it's likely that he's working on Tango Gameworks' project (Zwei).
EDIT: Oh, heh, Takada is the sound director and composer at Tango. I must have missed that. (Source)
walking fiend
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Naomi from MGS3 and Travis from No More Heroes?
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Sapphire Dreams
Member
Looks intriguing, I am keeping my eyes on it.
Sickboy007
Member
That guy looks like Henry Cooldown.
And Mondo Zappa is an incredible name.
And Mondo Zappa is an incredible name.
Yes, black and white is absolutely part of a film's aesthetic, and thus art style. Choosing to set it in the 1930s with all the fashion that entails is not. That's the world design and subject matter. You are literally the first person I've seen suggest otherwise, in anything ever. People don't look at The Wind Waker and decide the ocean setting is part of its art style. They see the cel-shading technique, and when other games with similar cel-shading but no ocean whatsoever appear, they don't hesitate to liken it to TWW. So it's no wonder you were confused by him doing what anyone would do, namely, singling out the cel-shading and rendering style here, the aesthetic style, the art style, and why you were confused how he could find it workable on something with... different fashion sensibilities. You've just always had a different idea and probably would think A Scanner Darkly requires a Keanu Reeves lookalike as part of its "art style," too.
Net_Wrecker
Member
I really like the look of this, and I've enjoyed most all Grasshopper titles. I'll be there for this one.
Am I the only one who is more or less annoyed by characters like this? With this pose? It just seems incredibly unappealing.
This pose, especially the both feet turned in part, signifies submission. You will rarely come across image of a Japanese man in this submissive pose. I personally find it a bit despicable that this depiction of submissive female characters is still so prevalent in various media hailing from contemporary Japan.
How is the setting and fashion not part of a film's aesthetic? It is part of how the film looks; what is filmed and depicted. If I'm the first person you've seen suggest otherwise, you must not venture outside of videogame forums or something.
And I didn't say that black and white wasn't a part of a film's aesthetic -- I said that black and white wasn't a style itself.
Uh, yes they do. I've even seen it in threads about Wind Waker.
This is still nonsensical.
I don't recall seeing art historians break down art style by subject matter. Subject matter was always handled on a piece by piece basis, and they may trend across a number of pieces from a similar era, but were never the defining basis of the style itself... Regardless, you now know what he meant -- he'd like to see the same rendering techniques, color choices, etc, applied to characters with different clothing. Which would be technically feasible, although I don't mind the way the girl's dressed, myself.
Yeah, well, i think its HOT yeeeeeaahhhh.jpg
There's a lot of complaints about her in this thread, but I very much suspect there's something to the character that they've not mentioned.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Grasshopper Manufacture might be the most important developer in the video game industry. Keep punk alive!
Did you even read the thing you linked? We are talking about a game in this topic. If we were to properly apply that definition of style to games, we would be talking about the mechanics. The "iconography" would be the content, visuals, etc. However, it's a term for the visual arts, so I think we should avoid mixing terms. I am sure better game specific terms exist.
I use art style as a colloquial when in conversation about games (and games only, which is why I put quotations around art style when talking about black and white in my first reply to you) for convenience.
Pizzaroll, you just need to learn to admit when you're wrong sometimes. We're talking about the visuals of this game. That article I linked is about what constitutes art style. It's applicable to anything and everything with aesthetics -- which games have, since games have visuals. And that's how this whole conversation started -- you saying that the woman's manner of dress was part of the game's art style. It's not. The dress is part of the game's iconography. Art style, in games and movies and comic books and classical paintings -- is defined in a critical capacity as outlined at the link. Basic art history classes teach this in college.
Yah and it's ridiculous how her outfit is predominantly pink. I mean, pink? Really now? Pink is color that is chiefly ascribed to females and seeing this character decorated in the color only signifies that we as a society have not yet transcended fitting gender to color.
It's all sexist and it's just sickening. She should be wearing blue.
Ban Puncher
Member
I ain't letting the Fun Police spoil this for me! Maximum Hypetrains!
Woo woo!
Shikamaru Ninja
任天å ã® å¿è
I disagree. There are producers out there who actually contribute significantly to their games, Kojima and Suda are good examples, Miyamoto is a bad example.
devastatorprime
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Grasshopper got back to me about the character designer.
https://twitter.com/Grasshopper_EN/status/291739101911207936
Probably is Kozaki Yusuke so they can hype up the fact of Suda and Kozaki teaming up once again.
https://twitter.com/Grasshopper_EN/status/291739101911207936
Probably is Kozaki Yusuke so they can hype up the fact of Suda and Kozaki teaming up once again.
I genuinely don't think that definition is applicable to games because so much of a game's "style" aside from color is done through pre-made rendering techniques and filters and dependent on it's "iconography."
Perhaps it's an issue with the way I'm approaching it -- should I see an engine programmer as I would a painter?
Oh, I'm glad you asked their English branch. They'll definitely be talking about the western release skin it seems.
Confirmations on the art director/character designer and the composer should be among the details in the next issue of Famitsu.
Well technically he wasn't a producer on games like Lollipop Chainsaw or Shadows of the Damned, either.
Don't be ridiculous -- the end result is what you SEE. It could be rendered in pixels, paint, crayon, charcoal, graphite, stained glass, marble, clay, mud -- the medium used doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day, however it's rendered, what you -see- has its art style critically classified NOT in terms of its iconography, or subject matter (which the girl's outfit would be), but rather elements of composition, texture, lighting, color, perspective, etc, all of which operate outside the bounds of content and constitute art style in the visual arts. And if you follow the link in that article for "visual arts," its defintion includes video media, as well (but that should be obvious -- you see video, after all, and video is made of images in sequence).
please have a good framerate, please! *crosses fingers*
I am so confused by my experiences with Suda 51/Grasshopper related projects at this point that I really never know if the end result will be something to enjoy. Killer 7 was a bizarre memorable experience that also had really borked gameplay imo. All his games are wonky, self-indulgent messes, but there is a weird appeal to them.
And I really like the art style in this game. Will keep one eye open.
I am so confused by my experiences with Suda 51/Grasshopper related projects at this point that I really never know if the end result will be something to enjoy. Killer 7 was a bizarre memorable experience that also had really borked gameplay imo. All his games are wonky, self-indulgent messes, but there is a weird appeal to them.
And I really like the art style in this game. Will keep one eye open.
Pro from Dover
Member
Speaking of Killer 7 and any given Mondo, check this scene out at the mark. [EDIT: spoilers]
The show a man in a telephone booth and the camera seems to dwell on that phone "plug". I don't see a silver case though. Could this be a... Searcher of some sort?
If so, that would be cool, and not so cool.
The show a man in a telephone booth and the camera seems to dwell on that phone "plug". I don't see a silver case though. Could this be a... Searcher of some sort?
If so, that would be cool, and not so cool.
you're confusing genre/subgenre with art style.
To Far Away Times
Member
Suda 51? Day 1.
From your link:
How many "rules" of style are established by the programmer(s) of the renderer, collaborating with the texture artists, model artists, and the concept artists? Are they artists under this definition too? There's nothing wrong with it I guess, it just sounds... odd.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
You know, I think powder blue was for girls and pink for boys until the 20th century.
Yeah, and I bet you've always been intrigued by women named B.J.
Where are you bringing programming into this? We're talking about what you SEE. And how you classify what you see. You can make visual media with computer code, or paint, or crayons, or whatever. Hell, you could shape it out of feces. Art is art. And art style is NOT defined by its iconography a.k.a. content, not in any critical capacity under the sun. Style is defined by colors, lighting, shading, perspective, proportions, textures, etc. Not how the subject matter is dressed.
So, the next time someone takes issue with the way this fine lass in Suda's game is dressed -- challenge them on whether that fundamentally changes the iconography, the subject matter, the genre and subgenre. Because there you'd have a point. But don't argue it changes the art style. It has nothing to do with the art style and vice-versa. Whole different ball of wax.
EDIT: Re-reading my posts, my tone is coming off kind of mean. Sorry if I come off hostile!