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[Karak]

Could be that they want to add quite a bit of stuff to it in the future so its there just in case. They'll probably give back whatever they don't use to gaming down the line anyway.

That was the plan at 1:1.5. So ya adding maybe...the entire encyclopedia Britannica as an OS. As I said I am not so sure this isn't a mishmash of rumors. But if they suddenly had to add that much back into the OS reserve slot. They deserve a lot of ire directed their way.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Same CPU, has that ever happened before with rival consoles?

 

[HardRojo]

So in layman's terms, are they 19x more powerful than a PS3?

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Oooh. Secret sauce 'compute hardware'. That kind of came out of nowhere.



And they say only 512MB is reserved for the OS. (They say 2 sources say 3GB is reserved for Durango's)

And same CPU as Durango. 8 Jaguars @ 1.6Ghz.

Isn´t this bad? I mean it´s too little and might bottle neck the OS in the future. They had a huge problem updating the PS3 because of no more memory.

 

[Can Crusher]

DF suggested it would be for kinect and apps and the general OS, basically what the 360 has now but way more overboard. They seem to think Sony won't be going for most of that stuff and will leave most of the RAM for raw gaming performance.

I can play Football manager, watch a movie, browse the internet and use FM scout (database app) on Windows 7, with 4GB of ddr3 and still leave about 800 left.

So unless MS is shooting for some over the top OS, having almost 6X the amount of ram reserved for it when compared to next competitor just seems...ridiculous.

But it can happen I guess.

 

[shinobi602]

Gonna need some dragon ball z comparisons

Wii U: SS Goku (Cell saga)
Durango: SS4 Vegeta
Orbis: SS4 Goku

 

[spuit*11]

Orbis' "bespoke GPU-like "Compute" module" a bolted on CBE for bc, physics and graphic computations?

That would be smart.

 

[iceatcs]

win8 apps

lot of things too.

IPTV?
Kinect 2.0
Surface
Maybe future accessories.

 

[1-D_FTW]

no, not really. it's about the best could expect from the power and form factor requirements, though; they certainly didn't cheap out on ram.

whereas last gen consoles were shipping with desktop parts, next gen they'll be shipping with laptop parts.



it's going to be a developer by developer basis i guess, and will depend on how strong a hand the pc audience can play when it comes to ports. even a craggy old 2500k will run laps around an octocore jaguar, but plenty of dual cores which smoked the xenon came off badly in ports due to its tri-core architecture.

Yeah. That's what I meant. Clearly a quad core Intel will smoke those CPUs, but it'll be interesting to see whether 8 core engines become common and, thus, becomes an issue on the PC side.

 

[Karak]

Same CPU, has that ever happened before with rival consoles?

Same base CPU? No. Not that I remember.

 

[sTeLioSco]

He's referring to the Polygon journalist "aegis" who posts here. sTeLioSco has some sort of personal vendetta against him.

nah,just allergic to fanbois.

 

[Proelite]

3GB in Durango is wrong, as also two cores for OS.

 

[Cake Boss]

WTF is Microsoft planning with 3GB of RAM?

Why?????

 

[Deadstar]

I just preordered the PS4 in my mind.

 

[GravityMan]

Orbis's architecture sounds really good. It won't match current high-end PC setups, but it's still a very, very nice jump from PS3. I would prefer a higher CPU clock speed, but I understand it's important to keep power consumption down for cooling and reliability purposes. 512 MB RAM reserved for OS is fine with me.

Durango's on the other hand...not as good. 3 GB reserved for the OS??? That's ridiculously excessive and hard to believe. I hope that is false.

 

[apana]

So the PS4 is basically my current laptop?

Spoiler

I kid

Things are really heating up. I can't wait!

laptop gpu, biometric sensors, lcd screen

PS Vaio

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Wasn't a problem with the 360 and it's 512 MB of total RAM ..

Exactly. People fail to realize how much RAM is 512MB GDDR5. PS3 OS currently uses only 50MB RAM.

 

[ghst]

how does a 7970m stack up to a 7850/7870?

in its fully clocked state it looks to be about on a par with a 6950/560ti, which were the mid-high enthusiast cards of choice in late 2010 (though it didn't quite settle into the $250 sweet spot until early 2011).

for comparison sake, on release, the xbox 360 packed the equivalent of a contemporary mid-high enthusiast card.

 

[gofreak]

Isn´t this bad? I mean it´s too little and might bottle neck the OS in the future. They had a huge problem updating the PS3 because of no more memory.

It's good for games.

I guess it depends what their OS plans are, right?

I think they did a good job with 256MB on Vita, and that presumably has headroom too still. I think they'd be able to do good things with 512.

 

[shinobi602]

3GB in Durango is wrong, as also two cores for OS.

I thought so...just no damn way...

 

[Proelite]

Jaguar cores and same CPU as Durango, I fucking called it yesterday.

 

[FrankT]

3GB in Durango is wrong, as also two cores for OS.

Or perhaps that is it then. Will be nice when we have something solid.

 

[sTeLioSco]

3GB in Durango is wrong, as also two cores for OS.

it seems too much,even if they make it a w8 box.

Jaguar cores and same CPU as Durango, I fucking called it yesterday.

i remember that.

 

[Thoraxes]

Then you were crazy.

At least I now know I can save a bunch of money till they get 5 exclusives I wanna buy.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Specs seem in-line with what I expected, so I'm happy. Interesting we now hear of a separate "Compute" module and I'm still no completely convinced of GDDR5.

Also isn't the 7970M a 100W part?

 

[AgentP]

I was trying to figure out how they guess 7970M, but I guess it adds up.

Running at 850MHz and featuring 20 of AMD's "Graphics Core Next" compute units, our information suggests that Orbis shaves off 10 per cent of that number, offering up 18 CUs in total, and sees a mild downclock to 800MHz. Incorporated into a design dedicated to cutting-edge visuals and gameplay, this hardware has some serious potential.

It is perhaps more than coincidence that these specs offer up the 1.84 teraflops metric for the Orbis GPU that was mooted yesterday

According to AMD the 7970M is 2176 GFLOPS.

2176 GFLOPS * (800Mhz/850Mhz) * (18CU/20CU) = 1.84 TFLOPS

The question in my mind is what is the result of taking this GPU and sticking it in the APU with the 8 cores and pairing it with GDDR5? The PC frame rate test DF does is more than useless IMO. The PC is using DDR3 and having to transfer data over a PCIe bus to the GPU, not at all the same as the PS4 design.

 

[Lonely1]

Yeah. That's what I meant. Clearly a quad core Intel will smoke those CPUs, but it'll be interesting to see whether 8 core engines become common and, thus, becomes an issue on the PC side.

3 core (6 threads) PPC engines were the main target this gen. A a two thread C2D had little trouble running those games. Why would the situation change, especially now that we look to be all set in x86? (sans Nintendo).

3GB in Durango is wrong, as also two cores for OS.

So, how much for OS? 4?

 

[WalkMan]

Isn´t this bad? I mean it´s too little and might bottle neck the OS in the future. They had a huge problem updating the PS3 because of no more memory.

It's not just 512MB of conventional RAM, its RAM with high throughput.

 

[Order]

Wii U: SS Goku (Cell saga)
Durango: SS4 Vegeta
Orbis: SS4 Goku

Mother of god

 

[Jawmuncher]

So who else doesn't care about these leaked next gen consoles.
I'm more interested when we see what it looks like than what's under the hood. Ill let the games they showcase speak for themselves.

 

[JudgeN]

So whats the odds of a fully software emulated PS2 shipping within the PS4? Or is Sony going to screw everyone and put PS2 games on the store only.

 

[gofreak]

in its fully clocked state it looks to be about on a par with a 6950/560ti

We've a way closer point of comparison. It'd be a little north of a 7850.

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

Can someone tweet yosp about all my PSN games on the PS4.

 

[AOC83]

Doesn´t sound too hot.
Show me the graphics this thing can produce, if they aren´t what i consider a generational leap i´m out.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

I'm having trouble putting all of this into perspective.. While I have a general grasp on some of this tech stuff, I still don't think I quite get what Im reading.. can anyone summarize it and define it?

They sound unimpressed in the last paragraph.

 

[aegies]

Then again after reading the way this was written. It has a lot of caveats that point to them not actually knowing a ton of stuff.

This last part.

 

[The_Monk]

I just preordered the PS4 in my mind.

YES. Me too. And if by any chance they let me play my PS3 games too, it would be amazing.

 

[Cake Boss]

I wonder what the Devs would prefer, 5GB or 3.5GB of faster ram.

 

[sajj316]

3GB in Durango is wrong, as also two cores for OS.

Agree as well. 3 GB for the OS is completely unnecessary

 

[Ace 8095]

3gb for the OS is the definition of madness. I can't believe it.

 

[DBT85]

Somewhere I feel I can trust at last.

Reading now

 

[The_Hitcher89]

MOAR POWAH

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Wii U: SS Goku (Cell saga)
Durango: SS4 Vegeta
Orbis: SS4 Goku

lol this should be our power grading scheme always

 

[Thoraxes]

Mother of god

Durango and Orbis are more SS3 Goku and Majin Vegeta during Buu Saga, pre-fusion.

 

[wsippel]

So basically as expected - both systems will be a lot more modest at launch compared to their predecessors. Smaller silicon, lower power consumption.

 

[grimshawish]

At least I now know I can save a bunch of money till they get 5 exclusives I wanna buy.

True. Pricing will be interesting.

 

[.la1n]

Hmm if this pans out then I have a pretty good (bad?) feeling we are going to see an interesting price tag with the PS4.

 

[derFeef]

I can see this 3GB for the os being stuck in peopls mind now for a long time, even if the box is out and we know better

 

[Cramoss]

Oh shit!

 

[WalkMan]

So whats the odds of a fully software emulated PS2 shipping within the PS4? Or is Sony going to screw everyone and put PS2 games on the store only.

Now that they stopped manufacturing the PS2, I honestly think they'll include a software-backed PS2 emulator. There really shouldn't be any limiting factor anymore in emulating the PS2.