Recent information(from Karak) seems to show that Durango's OS has been paired down to 1.5GB with microsoft aiming to bring that number down to 1GB.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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Recent information(from Karak) seems to show that Durango's OS has been paired down to 1.5GB with microsoft aiming to bring that number down to 1GB.
mugurumakensei
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Depends, do you have a PC with a 680 or 690?
If no, yes you should be blown away by Orbis at least. If yes, probably not.
If you're already gaming on a high-end pc/laptop expect disappoint. The graphics won't be much better.
shinobi602
Member
Yes, they really should be able to. They don't have to worry about the overhead like a desktop PC. There are a ton of factors to think about than just the typical RAM, CPU, GPU configurations in a PC.
You will see Stars Wars 1313 and Watch Dogs at launch (or shortly thereafter). Expect Agni's Philosophy visuals not long after.
Those games were running on considerably more powerful machines. But optimization and smaller target resolution and framerate will do wonders.
we will,literally,see.....
3 core (6 threads) PPC engines were the main target this gen. A a two thread C2D had little trouble running those games. Why would the situation change, especially now that we look to be all set in x86? (sans Nintendo).
So, how much for OS? 4?
Because there were some games that ran lousy on a C2D (GTA IV, Red Faction). If both systems are running identical CPUs, it's possible next gen engines could just target that as the standard baseline. Last gen was a hodgepodge in the CPU arena. Everyone was doing their own thing.
KennyLinder
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I think the idea is that is replaces every piece of kit in your living room. I am sure MS will be supplying many services on the next machine (like they do with Sky, Netflix etc now) and other things too.
These machines CAN'T be like they used to be, the industry has changed drastically since 2005 and if they are just new consoles with $60/£40 games they might have trouble ahead. Extensive services and pricing models for games will be very important to general consumers going forward.
I think they've got senzu beans built in, so it should be cool.
Aegies confirmed the RAM amount, but the bandwith number came from thuway.
TV division bro.
gaming_noob
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NHL offseason 2012 comparison.
WiiU: Toronto Maple Leafs
Durango: Philaedelphia Flyers
PS4: Minnesota Wild
WiiU: Toronto Maple Leafs
Durango: Philaedelphia Flyers
PS4: Minnesota Wild
AgentP
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Developer laugh at you then. They will love a x86 core with all the bells and whistles they want.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-s-Jaguar-Computing-Core-Revealed-FPUs-Doubled-288711.shtml
grimshawish
Banned
So:
3DS = Walter White
Vita = Mike
Wii U = Jesse
720 = The Columbians
PS4 = Gus
Steam box = Todd
3DS = Walter White
Vita = Mike
Wii U = Jesse
720 = The Columbians
PS4 = Gus
Steam box = Todd
1st Course
Member
A 7970M GPU even if it was under clocked is a pretty great choice actually, definitely more than enough to deliver a proper next gen leap.
But:
CPU: Intel Core i7 3610QM CPU 2.3GHz Graphics Core: AMD Radeon 7970M with 2GB GDDR5
Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM
Storage: Samsung 64GB SSD (mSATA) and Seagate 500GB HDD
The rest of that laptop is quite powerfull too, with lots of dedicated gddr5 also.
pharmboy044
Member
Sorry I worded it wrong. I don't care about cross game chat but I don't want Sony to come across the issue that they did last gen. I want them to have enough resources to have parity and even innovate in the services area.
I never doubted they would. I mean, look at what they're doing with the crap hardware we have now. I was pretty awed by Halo 4 at some points.
Can't wait for nex-gen. I'm sufficiently hyped.
Karak
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That was indeed the confirmed target. One of the things I will hold to till the day the system gets released. It is INSANE to have 3 gigs for an OS. They could run the full Windows 8 OS beside a slimed down other OS in less than 2.
Then again the article does read like a regurgitation and sources the same sources that people here have sourced. So what it really is, is a online website using the same sources. I don't know if that is to be MORE believed or less now.
But their switching of the "secret sauce" from Durango to Orbis rings strange simply because that wording was VERY specific concerning the Durango. NOT saying the Orbis won't have some. But to say they know nothing about the Durango's secret sauce but then to write the same exact Orbis secret sauce ideas down...seems odd.
What it sounds like to me is that they are trying to preempt someone else. That's a guess. Others may know more about how all these sites work.
I almost spit out my water.
18CU @ 800MHz yields 1.843 TFLOPS
Though you can't fully base these machines capabilites on paper FLOPS, especially with Durango which has special fixed function hardware blocks to assist its GPU.
Proelite
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Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gIq-XD5uA8
Don't know if this is relevant but it is interesting to look at I guess.
If they do end up running out of space for some unforeseen killer feature, they could start shifting more latency-tolerant network-related (premium?) apps onto cloud hardware sessions... but I think we're getting ahead of ourselves a bit
I don't believe any of you, so...
Gemüsepizza
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Nonsense, they will be better. Not necessarily because the hardware is so much faster, but because the software will make a big jump. And the hardware of the PS4 seems to be pretty powerful.
that's for desktop cards.
Define louse, because GT4 Ps3 like performance is considered very lousy in the PC arena.
If they are, I expect such PC to be able to run those games.Gemüsepizza;46599018 said:
Can Crusher
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Won't the ESRAM bandwidth depend on whether it's on die or not?
It's stuff like the audio DSP i guess.
Today, tomorrow with new rumors it's Durango. Then after that it's PS4 again...
I don't understand why is DF making mobile cpu and mobile gpu derivatives sound like a good thing. Sounds underpowered to me. And 4GB is really not enough for the long run. If Durango is really shipping with 8GB then Sony better pray third party games lead on the PS4, otherwise they'll find themselves fucked again. Yeah GDDR5 is much faster but that's quite a difference in space.
mugurumakensei
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Gemüsepizza;46599018 said:
That's only half true. It'll be better than high end laptop and not so much high end pc.
With a closed environment, the output will be roughly comparable to a Nvidia 680. By the time these machines launch, we'll be looking at newer Nvidia and AMD gpus.
Phonomezer
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They even state in the article that less is known about Durango, so who knows.
Gemüsepizza;46599018 said:
We shall see. I'd love to be wrong.
Hey Josh. Now all we need is TomCat and we'll have a real party going
Wouldn't it be hardware dedicated to performing a single task? In the article it said something about certain specialized and separate components being deadicated to physics or something.
I think, don't trust me though, I just read the pretty words and got excited.
Both sound right.
102GB/s between parent and daughter die (if that's the right terminology in Durango's case) would be a 3.2x scaling compared to Xenos, scaling linearly with the amount of eDRAM.
This, btw, is talking about bandwidth between the parent GPU and the eDRAM unit. Not internal bandwidth in the eDRAM unit between ROPs and memory. That should far higher (e.g. in 360's case was 256GB/s or whatever).
UE4 is possible even on the Wii U so I don't know what you're getting at.
Correct, and unless MS bumped the Kinect to 4K RGB and depth data, keeps tabs on your children, and projects the latest cat videos from YouTube on a wall, it won't use enough RAM to cause them to bump up the reserved amount.
That´d definitely be the ball park i consider ok for a next gen console. Oh and something like Crysis 3 should be in the mix too, truly impressing what i have seen so far.
If Nintendo get their OS down to 512MB, then that puts them in a much better position for downports from Orbis with 3.5GB and 1.5GB respectively for games. Not great but better than 5 of Durango vs 1.5.
It's going to be so interesting to see how both of these machines stack up in the end.
