Chip for doing miscellaneous stuff while preserving power in crucial areas. Sounds like they might use it for physics and other "grunt work" without taking away resources from the CPU or GPU.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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Chip for doing miscellaneous stuff while preserving power in crucial areas. Sounds like they might use it for physics and other "grunt work" without taking away resources from the CPU or GPU.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
My money just shot out of my wallet.
funkystudent
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Interested in seeing what the heck the next xbox OS is doing with all that RAM.
Most things I could do on a console while in game like quickly browse the web or watch youtube to show me how to get past a level or something I would do on my phone / tablet.
Maybe people will be able to video capture and stream gameplay from the console?
Still it seems like for the next xbox MS is making it the Microsoft set top box first and a games console second. Sony is going the other way around. Both ideas have problems.
Most things I could do on a console while in game like quickly browse the web or watch youtube to show me how to get past a level or something I would do on my phone / tablet.
Maybe people will be able to video capture and stream gameplay from the console?
Still it seems like for the next xbox MS is making it the Microsoft set top box first and a games console second. Sony is going the other way around. Both ideas have problems.
Karak
Member
Agreed.
As for your question about other hardware. A hardware maker might add a bit of silicon to either make up for a deficiency in their current GPU/CPU setup or to add power to it.
Stretching logic you can pretend that Esram is like that. It makes up for some issues revolving around ram.
That's not the same thing but its easier to get an idea.
Might be something to assist calculations like the Physics chips in PC's the last couple years, an Audio DSP(big boost here).
The Durango thread has a ton of ideas as it was the one that had the additional chips and rumors beforehand.
Honestly NOTHING NOTHING they could not do with 1.5 to 2. It is not even logical even with a very very large kinect database and assist software.
Even a recording system AND a transcoder to move video to external devices you can squeeze that into .5.
The Bookerman
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I think Kane should do some Cardio.
Excellent stuff. So, rumours so far:
Orbis
- CPU: 8-core Jaguar @ 1.6GHz
- GPU: ~ Radeon 7970M in power, 18 compute units @ 800MHz (I'd seen 8830-8850 rumoured but also comments that those - were fake)
- Memory: 4GB GDDR5 @ 192GB/s bandwidth - 512MB reserved for OS -> 3.5GB for games
- Extra: "Compute module"
Durango
- CPU: 8-core Jaguar @ 1.6GHz
- GPU: ~ ? in power (DF says potentially weaker than Orbis), 12 compute units
- Memory: 8GB DDR3 @ 68GB/s bandwidth - 3GB reserved for OS (rumoured it may be down to 1-1.5GB though) -> 5-7GB for games
- Extra: "ESRAM" (small amount of faster RAM, 102GB/s bandwidth), other custom chips
Orbis
- CPU: 8-core Jaguar @ 1.6GHz
- GPU: ~ Radeon 7970M in power, 18 compute units @ 800MHz (I'd seen 8830-8850 rumoured but also comments that those - were fake)
- Memory: 4GB GDDR5 @ 192GB/s bandwidth - 512MB reserved for OS -> 3.5GB for games
- Extra: "Compute module"
Durango
- CPU: 8-core Jaguar @ 1.6GHz
- GPU: ~ ? in power (DF says potentially weaker than Orbis), 12 compute units
- Memory: 8GB DDR3 @ 68GB/s bandwidth - 3GB reserved for OS (rumoured it may be down to 1-1.5GB though) -> 5-7GB for games
- Extra: "ESRAM" (small amount of faster RAM, 102GB/s bandwidth), other custom chips
because they aren't living in a hazy fanboy insanity where they believe that dragster PC parts can be shrunk down in to smart ed boxes.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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That's what I was just about to ask.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
Dev's are going to hate the work they will have to put into getting 8 cores working efficiently, and they will have to really know what they're doing, given how relatively poorly the AMD x86 architecture performs.
Anyway you cut it, 1.6Ghz is slow, I bet the dev's would have far preferred 4 cores @ 3Ghz.
Anyway you cut it, 1.6Ghz is slow, I bet the dev's would have far preferred 4 cores @ 3Ghz.
Probably not a waste if it's doing all the DVR shit and having an essentially fully blown OS in there too. And of course it may be a Nintendo type of deal where they're being conservative.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So these systems are powerful, as we all thought they would be.
Now, let's get to the important stuff like any possible anti-used game technology or a requirement of always-on internet connection.
Now, let's get to the important stuff like any possible anti-used game technology or a requirement of always-on internet connection.
Can Crusher
Banned
Begun the new console wars have.
*Grabs enough popcorn for the next 2 years*
(don't mean you specifically, just overall
)Normally, it's stuff like the video decoding section of modern GPUs. Basically chips that can only really do one thing, like decode h264 video, or decompress a zip file. But they do it fast without tying up other resources or generating much heat.
Hmm, does Sony happen to have a GPU-like "Compute" module that AMD doesn't, one that's good at physics calculations and playing PS3 games?
shinobi602
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Please stop comparing these specs 1:1 with PCs/laptops.
We only have Eurogamer's description to go by. One of the pieces of hardware is 'GPU-like "Compute" module, designed to ease the burden on certain operations' - so I guess some slice of computational logic, probably for stuff that maybe the CPU isn't brilliant at, and that they don't want to have to force you to bother the GPU with?
It's sort of strange though. I'm expecting a strong focus on GPGPU so having another piece of silicon to learn about or whatever is a little odd. I guess we'll find out the rationale in time.
Maybe it is VERY task specific and VERY transparent, behind very fixed APIs. Maybe it houses a collection of the stuff we heard about before - audio, media, decompression etc. - rather than being a more programmable computational unit. We'll see I guess.
mugurumakensei
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Not really. More cores at a lower rate is actually better for floating point calculations since FP calculations take so many clock cycles, it's better to do the calcs in parallel as opposed to synchronous at a higher clock rate.
GULP! What's Wii U, 12.8? Of course the question needs to be asked if the machine could actually utilise that much worth of data?
Karak
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That was mine originally. And for now. I still do.
This is the most PC like architecture delivered since the OG Xbox. So, 1:1.3? :O
This is a pretty good summary of all that we have heard. With Durango FLOP measurements won't be as important because of those assistive blocks.
Absolutely.
windows rt 2014.
the frontend isn't there to access the gaming machine, the gaming machine is there to access the frontend.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Urgh, PS4 specs sound... OK. I hope the extra stuff is nice.
Not sure about Durango, I want to know what GPU it is using before making a judgment.
Not sure about Durango, I want to know what GPU it is using before making a judgment.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
8GB DDR3 does that to you.
Karak
Member
Bravo. At 3 gigs it would have to be
Game within your game. Play GTA 5 sit down and then play GTA4 and record it while baking a cake on the CPU
Since we haven't had a single dev bitching about it. And MS was pushing some serious quotations in their kits and the expected overall power I am assuming its at least a audio DSP(very worthwhile) and something assisting overall calculations. I don't believe that the esram is 1 of them though.
TheDrowningMan
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I don't think it will hurt Orbis, provided it sells at a decent clip. The incentive will be there for developers if it emulates PS3's slow burn success. I do think the rather claustrophobic launch has the ability to hurt one of the two though, especially if Nintendo gets its act together.
Wii U ports of *most* games won't be implausible at all. Some are still convinced that it's a Wii situation, but on a technical level it really, really isn't. Not even close. That's not to say publishers will find reason to bother, but the gap is closer to PS2 > Xbox than Wii > 360. It's a bigger gap than the former, but nothing like the impassable chasm Nintendo foisted upon the industry with Wii. It will really depend on how the market pans out.
How the fuck do you work that out?
Proelite
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I think I said 5-10% better in one of threads. I stand by that.
Agreed. Will force people to parse out their single threaded stuff more, as much as they can. I guess thems the breaks.
systemfehler
Member
I guess the 720 will become more powerfull with each year - certainly those 3GB will decrease to 1GB at a certain point and maybe the cores for the OS can be used after all like with the PS3 and the obstacles at launch.
I personally think both consoles are going to do really well and I am even more curious about controllers, special sauce, etc.
What annoys me here is that certain insiders already start posting what is right and wrong and hinting why X is better than Y instead of for once time just posting what they know BEFORE a leak. Captain Hindsight sends his regards...
I personally think both consoles are going to do really well and I am even more curious about controllers, special sauce, etc.
What annoys me here is that certain insiders already start posting what is right and wrong and hinting why X is better than Y instead of for once time just posting what they know BEFORE a leak. Captain Hindsight sends his regards...
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
This should go in OP. Fine summary you got there.
Rumors starting to add up now. Looks like thuway was right about the ram. Really glad to hear the 4GB of GDDR5 is probably true, thats pretty big. Im slightly disappointed the gpu is not based on the 8xxx series cards but who knows how customized this thing is.
How is that possible unless these current specs are incorrect?
DeFiBkIlLeR
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true, but the more cores you use, the less efficient it becomes overall, by the time you are using the 6,7 or 8th core it's probably down to 50% or less efficiency.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
pretty sure that covers all the reliable info we have, good stuff. Until someone says something otherwise, it's all we have to go on, LHERRE.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
It´s won´t be enough 3 years from now when the new big thing comes up. Very dumb decision.
shinobi602
Member
Look, what I'm saying is, if you put these specs into a desktop PC, with Windows 7 and all the other crap, you'd very much get a different gaming experience than we can get on these consoles.
phosphor112
Banned
Oh, so now can I say "PS4 it is."?
Because I feel like this will be the best device for me.
Because I feel like this will be the best device for me.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
considering how much the vita is able to do with half of that, 512 should be MORE than enough and then some for the future.
Some things here aren't accurate at all but I won't say which ones
Orbis CPU cores?Durango ESRAM bandwith?
Karak
Member
Looking through this I haven't seen anyone do that?
the rumours were for the 8800 series, which could still technically be correct given that we're talking about mobility parts.