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Rumor: Monster Hunter Franchise "Handheld" Exclusive for 3 Years on 3DS

That's true, but SE is really weird these days. They are willing to put millions in a failed MMO. On the flipside localizing good JRPG's that are appealing for the west is somehow unwise.

Isn't FFXI the most profitable FF game? If so it makes perfect sense why they are desperate to try and save FFXIV. Also if the localisation hasn't already been finished for Type-O then it makes sense not to spend money on a PSP game.
 
JordanN said:
Wait what?
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The PSP game looks crappier to me.
Well... I remembered the PSP to be more impressive than that pic you posted here... Nostalgia googles I presume.
If this is how they are, then yes, MH on 3DS is way better, and in 3D.

Help Me! said:
Probably MH then.
Wait.. what??? Are you seriously picking a game just because it's less accessible than the other one? I mean, being accessible it's always good, it means is easy to get the basics of the playability. Because if you want to pick the more complex experience, then Pokémon is really leagues above MH in that too.

Pokémon is easier to begin with, and much more difficult to master than MH, so unless you enjoy Action RPG much more than turn-based RPG, then Pokémon is the one you have to go to even without thinking it twice!
 
No, people isn't giving Capcom too much credit. Just see MH PSP sales and how them affected to both PSP and 3DS sales in Japan.
PSP and 3DS sales tell me is that MH is a valuable IP that drives hardware sales. They don't tell me that Capcom can bend Sony/Nintendo over backwards and reap all the benefits of any deal between Capcom and the platform holders. Otherwise, the 3DS-Vita crossplay MH would have happened already (since Capcom would only stand to benefit from such a scenario).

This hasn't happened because there are certain benefits Capcom is getting from Nintendo - benefits that wouldn't exist if a 3DS-Vita crossplatform MH title existed.
 

yurinka

Member
PSP and 3DS sales tell me is that MH is a valuable IP that drives hardware sales. They don't tell me that Capcom can bend Sony/Nintendo over backwards and reap all the benefits of any deal between Capcom and the platform holders. Otherwise, the 3DS-Vita crossplay MH would have happened already (since Capcom would only stand to benefit from such a scenario).

This hasn't happened because there are certain benefits Capcom is getting from Nintendo - benefits that wouldn't exist if a 3DS-Vita crossplatform MH title existed.
Crossplay isn't related to the reasons of why released on a platform or another. They and another companies released a lot of multiplatform games, some of them of this genre or sales without crossplay. I think Capcom doesn't give a shit. If it was true then they would have avoid 3DS, Wii and WiiU because the main MH sales are on PSP to "don't split the fanbase". I'm pretty sure that Capcom doesn't give a shit about splitting fan bases, and that they can release MH as multiplatform without problems as they did with dozens of other IPs.

I think Capcom just released them on Nintendo platforms and remain there some time as exclusive because Nintendo paid the marketing and published them in the west which means money saved for Capcom. Even if Sony help them a lot in Japan (PSP MH SKUs, PSP/PS3 crossplay, appeared in Sony events, etc), Sony didn't localize the PS3-PSP MHP3rdHD crossplay service which blocked the western release, and obviously didn't publish and didn't pay marketing of the MH games in the western market.

Maybe Capcom also asked the Sony for money (can be included here publishing/marketing) to release MH on Vita knowing that MH was a big deal for PSP/Vita, which Sony refused.

Capcom has MT Framework running on Vita, MH PSP games on PSN playable on Vita, which runs the PSP code. It would be easy and cheap for them to release MH4 on Vita too. PSP is still alive in Japan and a huge part of the PSP MH fanbase still didn't jump to 3DS, so if they release MH4 on Vita and 3DS a lot of their fanbase may jump a Vita. I think that Capcom is just waiting or negotiating to get a better deal with Sony since they know MH is key for Vita in Japan.
 

DaBoss

Member
PSP and 3DS sales tell me is that MH is a valuable IP that drives hardware sales. They don't tell me that Capcom can bend Sony/Nintendo over backwards and reap all the benefits of any deal between Capcom and the platform holders. Otherwise, the 3DS-Vita crossplay MH would have happened already (since Capcom would only stand to benefit from such a scenario).

This hasn't happened because there are certain benefits Capcom is getting from Nintendo - benefits that wouldn't exist if a 3DS-Vita crossplatform MH title existed.

Sales...just kidding.

Seriously though, Capcom would have made a Monster Hunter on the DS if it could have handled it, but the PSP was like a portable PS2 which is where Monster Hunter started. I think the appeal is a western push and larger userbase.

The 3DS is the successor to the monster DS, so the 3DS seemed like it was lots of sales. Like Monster Hunter Tri, it seems Nintendo is going to take part of off-loading costs with marketing, and this time they are the ones who keep up the servers for the Wii U version.
 

VICI0US

Member
I still think SCEA being a dick when it came to releasing MH in the west played a huge part in the jump to Nintendo.

Nintendo helped promote the hell out of MH3 on Wii here even if it was a bomb in the west the japanese sales of the franchise seem worth it.

best selling monster hunter ever released in the west, certainly wouldn't call it a bomb by any means.
 

ranmafan

Member
I don't know if anybody has reported it or not. It just comes from observation by several people that stores like Aeon and Ito Yokado don't have Vita sections anymore. At least in smaller cities. I wouldn't be surprised if Tokyo branches still had them.

Don't know about aeon but my Ito yokado in the yamanashi area had a much more limited vita section recently, and then disappeared to make way for wiiu space. However gotta say I don't know anyone who buys games there anyway since their selection is incredibly poor for all systems and their prices are always more expensive than any other store in Japan. Even their 3ds section is incredibly small. Having said that since wii u came out, the vita sections in the big electronic and video stores have been moved from prime positions to harder to find places. Especially geo and yamada denki. I think that's pretty bad sadly for vita that its happening like that at those stores since especially where I live that's where most people buy their games in the small towns. In that sense vita needs big help right now.
 
Crossplay isn't related to the reasons of why released on a platform or another.
That's great but the post of mine you originally quoted was a response to another user who was claiming the viability of a 3DS-Vita crossplay MH game. That user was overestimating Capcom's clout by saying that Nintendo/Sony have zero say re: making a multiplatform MH title with crossplay between competing handhelds.
 

2San

Member
Isn't FFXI the most profitable FF game? If so it makes perfect sense why they are desperate to try and save FFXIV. Also if the localisation hasn't already been finished for Type-O then it makes sense not to spend money on a PSP game.
They also made the profitable Dragon Quest X, just cut your losses and move on. It's already too late for Type-0, but they had a decent window where they could've released it. They are still sitting on Bravely Default(which they could easily sell as a FF title if name recognition is a problem).
 

FoneBone

Member
Crossplay isn't related to the reasons of why released on a platform or another. They and another companies released a lot of multiplatform games, some of them of this genre or sales without crossplay. I think Capcom doesn't give a shit. If it was true then they would have avoid 3DS, Wii and WiiU because the main MH sales are on PSP to "don't split the fanbase". I'm pretty sure that Capcom doesn't give a shit about splitting fan bases, and that they can release MH as multiplatform without problems as they did with dozens of other IPs.

Transitioning the series to new hardware - which we would all agree had to happen at some point - is not the same thing. It wasn't exactly coincidence that 3G and 4 were announced almost simultaneously - Capcom wanted to send a clear signal that 3DS was the series' primary platform from there on out.
 

yurinka

Member
I think that unless MH3G or MH4 gets better numbers in 3DS than MHP did in PSP, MH4 will be ported to Vita.
Because as of now the Japanese MH fan base is on PSP, not in 3DS.

Transitioning the series to new hardware - which we would all agree had to happen at some point - is not the same thing. It wasn't exactly coincidence that 3G and 4 were announced almost simultaneously - Capcom wanted to send a clear signal that 3DS was the series' primary platform from there on out.
MH3G was a rehash of a rehash which fans already played once or twice. MH4 was the new game.
It would be like if Capcom announces SSFIV Turbo and SFV for WiiU. The first one is a rehash, and at least the new one would be very likely to end in the others too.

No transition was needed for any IP that moved to other console. It's just Capcom being Capcom, they like to release as much ports and rehashed / refurbished games in as much as places as possible.
Obviously they need to move to a new generation, and this time they choosed to release first in one device instead as they use to do since they started with their multiplatform approach some years ago.

This is a business for them, not a religion. They will get as much as money as they can in any device they can. MH was released on PSP and not in DS because PSP was capable to move it and DS not. Now Nintendo has a device which can move it, so they got MH too. But it wouldn't make sense at all from Capcom side to don't release MH on Vita.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
I think that unless MH3G or MH4 gets better numbers in 3DS than MHP did in PSP, MH4 will be ported to Vita.
Because as of now the Japanese MH fan base is on PSP, not in 3DS.

How much did MHP sell? Also 3DS is pretty much the Japanese games industry at this point. So MH fanbase being on PSP is pretty worthless.
 

FoneBone

Member
I think that unless MH3G or MH4 gets better numbers in 3DS than MHP did in PSP, MH4 will be ported to Vita.
Because as of now the Japanese MH fan base is on PSP, not in 3DS.
I would very much doubt that they're expecting MH4 to sell just as well as 3rd Portable did. And even so, your logic makes little sense - accepting that a large portion of the MH fanbase has yet to transition to 3DS, why would they port MH4 to Vita instead of PSP? Do you really think the holdouts are only willing to buy it on Sony hardware?
 

Soriku

Junior Member
I think that unless MH3G or MH4 gets better numbers in 3DS than MHP did in PSP, MH4 will be ported to Vita.
Because as of now the Japanese MH fan base is on PSP, not in 3DS.

The PSP fanbase isn't on Vita so I'm not sure how that'd be a good option.
 

Takao

Banned
I think that unless MH3G or MH4 gets better numbers in 3DS than MHP did in PSP, MH4 will be ported to Vita.
Because as of now the Japanese MH fan base is on PSP, not in 3DS.

MHP3rd G/4th wouldn't sell 4.6 million units on Vita either. In fact, I kind of doubt Monster Hunter can ever hit those numbers again.
 
MHP3rd G/4th wouldn't sell 4.6 million units on Vita either. In fact, I kind of doubt Monster Hunter can ever hit those numbers again.

I'm inclined to believe the next game (on 3ds) after mh4 certainly has a good shot at selling that much (or maybe even higher) will be easier to predict after we see how mh4 does
 

yurinka

Member
I would very much doubt that they're expecting MH4 to sell just as well as 3rd Portable did. And even so, your logic makes little sense - accepting that a large portion of the MH fanbase has yet to transition to 3DS, why would they port MH4 to Vita instead of PSP? Do you really think the holdouts are only willing to buy it on Sony hardware?
I'd say that a guy with thousends of hours spent on MHP, MHP2nd and MHP3rd would prefer to get these saves and games in the same device than MH4.

I'd say that these users who bought the PSP games and still didn't get a DS are waiting to see if Vita gets MH4 too before jumping to 3DS because maybe they bought an expensive PS3 to play MH3 and are afraid of the same, I doubt that MHP3rdHD was enough for them.
MHP3rd G/4th wouldn't sell 4.6 million units on Vita either. In fact, I kind of doubt Monster Hunter can ever hit those numbers again.
See RE5, DMC4 or SFIV numbers, they sold more than the previous when released as multi since day one.
This is why I think they'll release MH4 as multi now that both can handle it, because Vita+3DS sales would reach this number. As exclusive wouldn't.
The PSP fanbase isn't on Vita so I'm not sure how that'd be a good option.
Most of the MH fans of the PSP version (PSP still sells and gets games in Japan) seems that still didn't jump to 3DS, and they can play their MH PSP games on Vita.
So if MH4 goes multi which one would choose a player who spent thousands of hours on them?
 
I'd say that a guy with thousends of hours spent on MHP, MHP2nd and MHP3rd would prefer to get these saves and games in the same device than MH4.

I'd say that these users who bought the PSP games and still didn't get a DS are waiting to see if Vita gets MH4 too before jumping to 3DS because maybe they bought an expensive PS3 to play MH3 and are afraid of the same, I doubt that MHP3rdHD was enough for them.
Or they don't want to make the jump until the game releases. I know tons of pokemon fans who have yet to purchase a 3DS and wont until it releases even though everyone knows pokemon will be on 3DS.

I don't think it has anything to do with mh fans clinging to hope of ot releasing to Vita and more to do with waiting for their desired game to release.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
I'd say that a guy with thousends of hours spent on MHP, MHP2nd and MHP3rd would prefer to get these saves and games in the same device than MH4.

I'd say that these users who bought the PSP games and still didn't get a DS are waiting to see if Vita gets MH4 too before jumping to 3DS because maybe they bought an expensive PS3 to play MH3 and are afraid of the same, I doubt that MHP3rdHD was enough for them.

Vita is a lost case in Japan. No one will skip MH4 on 3DS waiting for a Vita version.
 

FoneBone

Member
I'd say that these users who bought the PSP games and still didn't get a DS are waiting to see if Vita gets MH4 too before jumping to 3DS because maybe they bought an expensive PS3 to play MH3 and are afraid of the same, I doubt that MHP3rdHD was enough for them.

I think that the idea that any sizable portion of PSP owners are waiting on a port that hasn't been announced (or even hinted at) is downright laughable.
 

yurinka

Member
Vita is a lost case in Japan. No one will skip MH4 on 3DS waiting for a Vita version.
How it was 3DS there before the bump of MH (plus price cut+Mario+MK) was released? If 3DS and others did it in the past, why Vita can't?
I think that the idea that any sizable portion of PSP owners are waiting on a port that hasn't been announced (or even hinted at) is downright laughable.
MH3 was one of the main reasons of why I bought a PS3 so what are laughable for me are their 'exclusive' deals.
BTW, MH on Vita was hinted at least twice by Capcom or Sony twice as I remember:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/333844/monster-hunter-vita-scheduled-for-the-coming-months/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...uters/technologyNews+(News+/+US+/+Technology)

Maybe they don't name it MH4 on Vita and call it MH4Pnd or something, but I'm pretty sure they'll release a proper MH in this platform
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
How it was 3DS until the price cut, MH (plus Mario+MK) was released? If 3DS and others did it in the past, why Vita can't?

MH3 was one of the main reasons of why I bought a PS3 so what are laughable for me are their 'exclusive' deals.
BTW, MH on Vita was hinted at least twice by Capcom or Sony twice as I remember.

It was also practically refuted by MH 3G and 4 and no mention at all about a Vita version.
 
How it was 3DS until the price cut, MH (plus Mario+MK) was released? If 3DS and others did it in the past, why Vita can't?

MH3 was one of the main reasons of why I bought a PS3 so what are laughable for me are their 'exclusive' deals.
BTW, MH on Vita was hinted at least twice by Capcom or Sony twice as I remember.

Not since vita released (i don't think) and prior to the announcement theyd given a pretty massive hint it was 3ds bound

Edit - ah yes Sony did hint a few times
 

Spiegel

Member
MHP3rd G/4th wouldn't sell 4.6 million units on Vita either. In fact, I kind of doubt Monster Hunter can ever hit those numbers again.

MHP3 is at >4.8M (normal release + best)

I wouldn't be surprised if adding PSN sales and considering that buying online is the only way of playing MH on Vita, MHP3 PSP is above 5M copies sold in Japan.
 

yurinka

Member
MH3 was actually announced for PS3 at one point. Not a good comparison.
MH3 was announced in PS3 but released on Wii. And I made a dumb move related to MH3 getting the PS3 early (wasn't cheap).

MH4 has been announded in 3DS. I won't get other system early to play a MH again. Instead I'll wait and see if it's released in other systems (I doubt they cancel the 3DS version).

Japan has a huge MH fanbase (near 5M the last PSP which has a rehash of a rehash), why they didn't get the new 3DS game?
It was also practically refuted by MH 3G and 4 and no mention at all about a Vita version.
Did they mention the Wii version of MH3 when it was announced for PS3?
 

Soriku

Junior Member
Most of the MH fans of the PSP version (PSP still sells and gets games in Japan) seems that still didn't jump to 3DS, and they can play their MH PSP games on Vita.
So if MH4 goes multi which one would choose a player who spent thousands of hours on them?

Uh...the 3DS? Because 9+ million more people own one than the Vita? You can still play MH on Vita but it doesn't really matter when most people are playing it on their PSP, because why spend money on a new system when your old one can play the game you want to play already?

Even if MH was multiplat, people would still choose the 3DS because it's much more popular and it has many more worthwhile games than the Vita in Japan, which is indicated by 3DS vs. Vita sales.
 

yurinka

Member
Uh...the 3DS? Because 9+ million more people own one than the Vita?
MH3G didn't sell 9+ millions in 3DS. MHP3rd sold almost 5M in PSP.
Even if all the MH fanbase already purchased a 3DS, they why they didn't get MH3G?

If you think 3DS and Vita situations are comparable I'm sure everything I'll say won't convince you.
It's easy, check Japanese 3DS LTD HW sales until just before the pricecut and MH3G release.
Then compare them vs the Japanese Vita LTD HW sales that are likely to have before MH4 release, around August (without considering that it's almost confirmned that it will get a pricecut before).
If 3DS numbers are way higher even without considering that Vita wouldn't get huge sellers like Mario+MK in the same timeframe then you may be lucky.
 

Soriku

Junior Member
MH3G didn't sell 9+ millions in 3DS.
Even if all the MH fanbase already purchased a 3DS, they why they didn't get MH3G?

Not all PSP owners bought MH either. MH3G still outsold the Vita's LTD sales in Japan. There's no way most people would go to Vita than 3DS for a MH game at this point.

I don't think anyone's saying "all" the fanbase is on the 3DS. It'll take time to reach PSP MH levels. Still, they can't release MH games on PSP forever. And there is no argument that the 3DS is most viable new platform for MH, considering it's a handheld where MH games are most successful, and it's much much more successful than the Vita.

MH3G not selling as well as PSP MHs can be attributed to various reasons:

-Lower userbase than PSP.
-First MH game on 3DS; fanbase hasn't entirely moved over.
-It's an expansion of MH3, a much less popular game.
-There's been a lot of games in the MH3 generation already.

MH4 will fare much better.
 
All I really know about the MH series is what 8-4 has told me, but thats enough to realize this isn't good news.

I guess 2014 isn't terrible if that's the date, and the Vita by all means could turn it around relatively fast with a $199 price point. Releasing another MH game is different from developing one right?
 

Emitan

Member
How it was 3DS there before the bump of MH (plus price cut+Mario+MK) was released? If 3DS and others did it in the past, why Vita can't?

MH3 was one of the main reasons of why I bought a PS3 so what are laughable for me are their 'exclusive' deals.
BTW, MH on Vita was hinted at least twice by Capcom or Sony twice as I remember:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/333844/monster-hunter-vita-scheduled-for-the-coming-months/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...uters/technologyNews+(News+/+US+/+Technology)

Maybe they don't name it MH4 on Vita and call it MH4Pnd or something, but I'm pretty sure they'll release a proper MH in this platform
3G and 4 were announced as 3DS exclusive before the Vita was even released. Where are these people who bought the Vita to play a 3DS game? They deserve to be laughed at.
 

Hiltz

Member
May 2006 - Capcom confirms Monster Hunter Tri for PS3.

October 2007 - Capcom managing corporate officer Katsuhiko Ichi confirms platform change:

We have decided to switch the platform to which we release our Monster Hunter 3 title. Due to high development cost of titles for PS3.

Monster Hunter Producer Ryozo Tsujimoto GC 2009:

Monster Hunter 3 originally started out as a PS3 game, but we switched to Wii because of the unique control system. We wanted to make something intuitive, so that if you hadn't played the PSP version or were a more casual gamer, you can still can get into it. So we created this particular game on Wii.

Monster Hunter Producer Ryozo Tsujimoto May 2010:

We’ve been making many MH titles in the past – but never there has been an opportunity to challenge the very foundation of gaming – the controls. In this sense Wii Remote and Nunchuk for the Wii had a very attractive field for us to challenge. We of course didn’t want to leave behind the fans of the previous titles and this is where the Classic Controller Pro comes into the rescue. It is with great honour that we are able to provide two entirely different play styles and this was only possible on the Wii.

Although I just said the new control style for the Wii was a new field for us to challenge – and this was true in terms of difficulty of implementation. We’ve paid a great deal of attention into preserving the essence of MH combat system as well as adapting it to the new style. While the Classic Controller Pro was in development we were given the opportunity to give a few opinions there and then. As a result, playing MH3 with the Classic Controller Pro will feel exactly the same for those experienced MH franchise players. As you know in MH3 you are able to choose between the two styles, Wii Remote + Nunchuk or Classic Controller Pro and I would want people to try both styles as they both provide a completely new experience.
 

Mr Swine

Banned
Sorry but some people here seem to be a bit... Dense in matter that MH will come to Vita.

1. Releasing MH on Vita would sell more hardware than Vita is doing now yes, but its sadly only be short term.
2. You can't just release one big multilateral game and sit back and expect that developers will follow and release games.
3. Sales for Vita games hasn't exactly been on fire when many 3:rd party 3DS sells around the same amount or more than the best selling vita games.
4. By the time Vita reaches 1.5 million 3DS will be close to 13-15 million in Japan with even more games coming out.

So I really don't see Capcom releasing a monhun game for vita if its going to be the only game that will drive hardware sales with no other software coming out. Remember Smash Bros Melee? Sold really well and boosted the hardware sales but the hardware sales went flat after a few weeks when there didn't come out any software to keep the hardware sales going
 

yurinka

Member
3G and 4 were announced as 3DS exclusive before the Vita was even released. Where are these people who bought the Vita to play a 3DS game? They deserve to be laughed at.
I didn't say that people bought Vita to play MH. I say that a major portion of the MH fan base didn't bought 3DS to play MH so they are still playing them on their PSPs.
 

remnant

Banned
This thread is hilarious. We can literally see the birth of

"Wait for Monster Hunter Vita"

being born in here.
I thought we were going to be here after soul sacrifice and PSO came out. Kind of surprised.

There are going to be a lot of tears at E3
 

Emitan

Member
I didn't say that people bought Vita to play MH. I say that a major portion of the MH fan base didn't bought 3DS to play MH.

Well Capcom basically announced 3DS was the home of portable Monster Hunter and has no reason at all to release a title on Vita so either these people will buy a 3DS or they will not play Monster Hunter.
 

Mondriaan

Member
The day the Vita was unveiled, that day "Wait for Monster Hunter Vita" was created.
Capcom did allow MH to be shown off on the Vita, so it's not as if they're blameless if there is any confusion about whether or not MH is actually going to be Nintendo exclusive.
 

yurinka

Member
The day the Vita was unveiled, that day "Wait for Monster Hunter Vita" was created.
Well, in fact this day MHP3rhd gameplay was showcased there to show how PSP games are benefited of the dual analog and better screen in Vita, including all MHP games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAkEcCdq51w

Well Capcom basically announced 3DS was the home of portable Monster Hunter and has no reason at all to release a title on Vita so either these people will buy a 3DS or they will not play Monster Hunter.
The home of Monster Hunter portable is PSP, and their games run on Vita. The only reason they had to decide to release in 3DS when they did it was due to bigger sales of DS, now that Nintendo's handheld is powerful enough. Capcom use to release their games everywhere they can. They never said that Vita won't get MH and wouldn't make sense for them to keep it exclusive if in 3DS doesn't get PSP-like sales.
 
Even aside from Vita's overall sales, the MH4 talk would be a good deal more plausible if Capcom was otherwise a strong supporter of the platform.

Instead, they have nothing at all lined up for the future, and indeed haven't announced anything for it, even a multiplatform DD title, since UMVC3 was announced at TGS 2011.
 

Sandfox

Member
Even aside from Vita's overall sales, the MH4 talk would be a good deal more plausible if Capcom was otherwise a strong supporter of the platform.

Instead, they have nothing at all lined up for the future, and indeed haven't announced anything for it, even a multiplatform DD title, since UMVC3 was announced at TGS 2011.

You're forgetting about SFxT which really doesn't help the Vita's case at all.
 
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