Does Fire Emblem Awakening change this?
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Does Fire Emblem Awakening change this?
The closest I can get is in Sacred Stones (late game spoilers):
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I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Really?
I mean, the SMT series really does involve summoning Demons utilizing a computer program...I don't think it'd be that bizarre to have the concept used to explain summoning video-game characters from Fire Emblem.
TurnipFritters
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Here is the storyline: A deity named Iwata hears humanity collectively crying out "I'm buying a 3DS for Fire Emblem Awakening and Shin Megami Tensei IV" and decides to bring all the Fire Emblems and the Shin Megami Tenseis together on the Wii U to see if mankind will also buy that.
What will be playing in the opening scene when the narrator is saying this? The FE theme or a Meguro track? Or hell... Meguro's cover of the FE theme???!
TurnipFritters
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait, there are people who haven't played DDS?
They haven't played hell then.
LOL I KILL U
They haven't played hell then.
LOL I KILL U
The epilogue is Iwata swimming around in cash ala Scrooge McDuck.
Femmeworth
Banned
I'm aware the series isn't completely innocent, just not to what extent. The point is the series is becoming less subtle, assuming it's a trend.
It has never been subtle. The first western released Fire Emblem has pedophilia in the form of Jaffar and Nino. Exactly the same extent as this.
The attack typing in SMT could fit to SMT quite nicely along with multiple physical attack types. You'd have slash/piercing/strike. Magic users could easily adopt to the fire/ice/wind/thunder elemental types. Mudo/hama well... clerics and ninjas and assassins and dark magic users maybe. Fire Emblem with strong typing and weaknesses, that'd be fun.
That's one system mechanic solved.
That's one system mechanic solved.
Femmeworth
Banned
I don't think Jaffar is much older than Nino. Nino isn't even a loli.
I'm with Femmeworth. I hate stuff like that. If she's over a 1000 years old, they could at least make her look legal, but it's just a shitty excuse so creeper Otaku's can satisfy their creeper needs, especially when one takes her childish personality into account. And I know it's been present within the series past instalments, but you, as a character, could never blatantly marry what seems to be a child and have a baby with her. Only downfall of the game really... shame it's such a huge one though. Hopefully the localisation will fix it up.
She's 14 and he's 18-19 at least.
And did you miss the other posts? FE4 was all about incest, arranged marriages, rape and domestic abuse. It was anything but subtle, FE5 also heavily implies rape and most of the other games feature incest if not twincest.
I really don't understand how you could argue it's been different until Awakening came and stepped over the line.
NeonZ
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IIRC, Nino is actually 13 in Japan. NoA changed both hers and Lyn's ages (from 15 to 18 in the later case) in the localization of the title, making them slightly older.
I won't be surprised if they do something about "Nowi" (Nono) too.
And let's not once again forget about FE4 where marrying off characters was an integral part of the game and some of them look like 12.
Like Dew:
What a pimp. Yes he can have kids with older women and some of the pairings are even pretty good because he's the only one who passes Sol.
And I don't know how old Sylvia and Tiltyu are but they are definitely underage and talk like children.
I think I have established pedophilia, but Fire Emblem features so much more. Matricide, patricide, killing a whole family except one girl and pretend to be her mother just to abuse her a decade further, homicide, genocide, racism, sex and reproduction with people who can turn into tigers and dragons, sexism, child abduction and sacrifice, social darwinism, rape, magically creating perfect humans, racially charged slavery...
As I said almost any ethically reprehensible thing you can think of and chances are Fire Emblem has been there done that. In my opinion there is no case to be made whatsoever that this game is in any way worse, if you romance Nono the game even calls you out on your pedophilia.
At some point people have to realize that Fire Emblem (back-)stories have been fucked up forever and pretty much the darkest Nintendo published games I can think of beyond the surface. Not all of this is justifiable by the Medieval setting, but IS handles most of it in a mature and non-offensive way so there has never been outcry. In fact FE4 is the most popular one in Japan.
In Harvest Moon 3D: A New Beginning, you can marry a girl, get her to live with you, get her pregnant, and have her give birth in-game. Some of the girls in that game look as loli (or even loli-er) than that image of Nowi Femmeworth posted, and that game is rated E.
Heck, Nowi is not nearly as bad in FE's context, as she is supposed to be
It's hardly a reason to push an M rating.
Heck, Nowi is not nearly as bad in FE's context, as she is supposed to be
hundreds of years old.
Hey, you're right! I just read the script again and it's a much better example than mine. Thanks!
So you can add Necrophilia to the list.
Yeah, but they didn't really care about being underaged or not in the Middle Ages. If a woman was pubescent, she was good to go.
Exactly. I mentioned Medieval. This and a lot of other things were commonplace. Judging this from a 21st century perspective is completely missing the point.
GhostTrick
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Well, as someone said, Fire Emblem is set in a medieval setting. Underage is a term which change depending of the country, the society, morals. At medieval age, you weren't considered underage as long as you could give birth you know. Even crazier, you could also attempt a trial to animals (true story, a cock was judged guilty because it layed an egg.)
Medieval age was about rape, forced marriage, incest and underage (relative to our society) with olders.
So what you're saying is that the crossover that should have happened is Fire Emblem and Drakengard.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Fire Emblem BERSERK would be better.
My examples reach right up until Radiant Dawn. FE12 also had a corrupt knight abduct and almost kill a pair of children for no real reason, not to mention anything Hardin or Gharnef did. You can find things like these in any of the games if you look.
Ah, sorry, I somehow stopped reading after you mentionend how "fucked up" the story is, when I think it clearly isn't fucked up.
I also think it's wrong to say Jaffar was a pedophile, when Nino already hit puberty.
lolez2matt
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Maybe the heroes of Megaten switch places with the Fire Emblem prota?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Heh, Fire Emblem x Shining Force.
But Sega...
But Sega...
Well, I think it's a lot darker than people realize and if people start with Awakening and then check out some of the other games, especially 4, they might be in for a surprise.
As I said a lot of these morally questionable things aren't far from our Medieval truth and IS has been handling most of this pretty well, I honestly wish more JRPGs had stuff like this. Tales of tends to have racism etc. but not to this extent.
I'm just really perplexed how one could argue Awakening is crossing some sort of line where the series so far hasn't been.
Oh, I completely agree, Awakening is by no means the "first foray" into dark subjects. I think it's pretty common knowledge between FE fans that the older games dealt with all the ridiculous subjects you mentioned earlier. But PoR and RD were relatively tame on the dark subjects, and honestly I haven't heard that Awakening was all that bad.
I think the "dark concepts" SMT fans are talking about are entirely different kinds of "dark", and that's why they think the two tones clash.
Matricide, patricide, homicide, genocide, racism, sex and reproduction with people who can turn into tigers and dragons, social darwinism, racially charged slavery...
^these things from the list above all appear in PoR/RD.
Also, remember how Ashnard became king? Yeah. Remember Soren's entire life prior to meeting Ike? Remember the history of Kilvas? Serenes Massacre? The way Oliver treats herons? The whole Begnion Senate? How Begnion's occupational forces treat Daein's citizenry, murdering children in the street?
It's all there.
My god that looks atrocious, straight from an icecream game if not worse.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Wait did they seriously localize Nono as Nowi
I'm more wondering about what they are going to do with her daughter's name, んん, which reads as Nn...
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
NO WAI
Chrono Helix
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I can't help but read the posts on this page as the two camps trying to one-up each other on how dark their series is.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So which one is brighter?
if you mean SMT I'm not seeing much of that at all on this page, however I wouldn't argue with it also being dark, albeit in a different way. SMT is ultimately more about choosing ideology and a more spiritual experience, while FE is more practical and political.
Same here, that shit is embarrassing.
Do they actually acknowledge how fucked up that is? I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to be another form of pandering, although I'd like to be wrong.
Yes, they do acknowledge that...it's weird.
With the way Sega of Japan's been treating Shining fans worldwide, we'd be more likely to get Fire Emblem: Total War.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Perfect title for Fire Emblem Musou.
NeonZ
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Fictional racism hardly seems to get much attention most of the time, and, for the other things, those events are mentioned and often are important, but they aren't directly shown, which helps keeping the game's rating low... We know that Ashnard killed his entire family to take the throne, but we don't actually see him doing that on screen.
Indeed, I'm not denying that, but the same thing is true for the more morbid stuff in FE4 and other games, we are more often told of reprehensible events than shown.