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Bayonetta 2 development video
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I always thought the demons Bayonetta summons are more like manifestations of the demons than the actual demons themselves.
Fimbulvetr
Member
All that says is that they aren't dead.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Is Kamiya writing Bayonetta 2?
I know he insisted on writing VJ2.
I know he insisted on writing VJ2.
kunonabi
Member
Considering how brilliant the controls are in Metroid Blast It wouldn't surprise me if they're working on one as we speak.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Mikami is making Zwei and that's probably for the PS4 and Xbox3.
And if they hair monsters Balder killed were the actual demons, they would be.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Wait how does it say that?
No clue
I don't think anyone's been credited for story out of the few credits we've been shown
but I recall Kamiya saying in interviews how he would talk with Hashimoto, the game's director, about his ideas for a sequel. So if he's not directly involved in the game's story he's no doubt had some influence over it in his role as Supervisor.
Fimbulvetr
Member
And you know this, how?
Because I saw what he did to them?
Hero of Legend
Member
He also said that he's fine with Platinum making a sequel without him, I forget where this was said, might be second-hand info.
Fimbulvetr
Member
The cardinal virtues survived pretty horrible defeats: Fortitudo lost his dragon heads and got a massive hole in his main head, Temparantia.... actually got off relatively easy(it only got punched in the face and then burned), Iustia got Crushed, and Sapientia got reduced to nothing but a head. The demons Bayonetta summons seem to be on about the same level of power, so whose to say they can't survive horrible shit?
I don't believe those returning bosses were the same bosses. Even if they survived, they were all sucked down into hell to be eaten by demons.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Majukun
Member
Fimbulvetr
Member
I'm not talking about Courage, Temprance, Justice, and Wisdom; those are just lame ripoffs. The Cardinal Virtues, on the other hand... I dunno what's goin on with them after they were pulled into Inferno. Maybe they were killed, maybe they're just being tortured for eternity, but that doesn't really matter. My point was they were alive AFTER being otherwise ripped apart by Bayonetta and her demons.
Gomorrah got its neck snapped and collapsed and a couple of other ones were just blown to pieces. None of the virtues were ever in that kind of shape.
They can make a sequel without him. Would be interesting if Kamiya directed it. Last time RE 2 was born out of the premise "Kamiya making a sequel to Mikami's game".
They can make a sequel without him. Would be interesting if Kamiya directed it. Last time RE 2 was born out of the premise "Kamiya making a sequel to Mikami's game".
Kamiya doesn't want to direct it. I asked him that, too.
Well, still, considering the pedigree of people working at Platinum, I wouldn't be to worried about the quality of the sequel to Vanquish!Kamiya doesn't want to direct it. I asked him that, too.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Really now?
Fortitudo, talking with most of his head missing.
And Sapientia?
Still alive after that.
Also, there were no "couple of others". Gomorrah and Scolopendra were the only demons summoned against Balder.
Really now?
Fortitudo, talking with most of his head missing.
And Sapientia?
Still alive after that.
Also, there were no "couple of others". Gomorrah and Scolopendra were the only demons summoned against Balder.
Well what the hell happened to gomorrah if he didn't die, then?
Fimbulvetr
Member
Went back to Inferno, probably.
Its neck was broken and it collapsed. If that hair incarnation of it didn't die, why did breaking its neck do anything at all?
Fimbulvetr
Member
Our entire debate is over whether or not the demons are being summoned through use of hair as a catalyst, or the hair takes the form of a construct shaped like a demon. Why would I make an argument off of the assumption that "hair incarnation" is even a thing?
The point is, if that wasn't a separate incarnation of gomorah, gomorrah would be dead, because whatever that thing was obviously died. But gomorrah is not dead so Bayonetta obviously doesn't summon the actual demons to fight for her.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I guess we won't see this before E3?
Any chance of a release somewhere this year?
Any chance of a release somewhere this year?
Fimbulvetr
Member
Or maybe high level demons, like high level angels, can take lots of abuse before keeling over?
O...k...? Hair Gomorrah did keel over, though. Guess it wasn't a high level demon! Unlike actual Gomorrah, who is just fine.
Fimbulvetr
Member
"Keel over" as a figure of speech for dead. Also, incapacitation is a thing that exists.
So, what you're saying is that getting its neck broken just put Hair Gomorrah to sleep?
Alright. I know I'm right. You know I'm right. You just keep playing dumb. There's clearly no point in keeping this up since you're never going to admit what you know is true.
Fimbulvetr
Member
In the same way that getting most of its head taken away only tired Fortitudo out, yes. Why you so mad?
Based on what information? It's called "summoning" isn't it?
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Based on Kamiya saying the demons aren't dead?
You are summoning 'it'. Not it's body, but it's spirit, which manifests itself through some vessel, which bayonetta chooses as her hair. It's a similar concept that was used for the lesser demons of DMC, which can only manifest in the real world by having their spirits take over certain objections, like Marionettes.
If nothing else, think of it like this. Questioning why Gomorrah didn't die because it's vessel died is like asking why don't you die when Bayonetta does.
Buckethead
Banned
Why are her legs all weird looking?
Fimbulvetr
Member
Not that I don't believe you, but source please?
Fimbulvetr
Member
That doesn't actually confirm "spirit using hair as a vessel". But I checked the Marionette enemy profile, and it does confirm the puppets themselves are just being controlled by them. And considering how the only thing stopping Kamiya from saying Bayonetta is part of DMC canon is Capcom owning the rights to the latter, I'd be willing to believe he'd reuse the same idea here.
Thanks for actually backing up your stuff.
What do you mean? Unless I'm missing something conduit and vessel are more or less synonymous with this context. I just went and checked my Bayonetta manual to make sure that it said that, so the only way I think we can get more canon here is if I booted up the game and scavenged it for some info there. So why don't you consider this to be confirmed?
Fimbulvetr
Member
Not neccesarily. Vessels contain things. Conduits allow things to pass through. When I see the latter, I think portals. But I already said in my last post that I can accept the idea that this is how things work.
Well, maybe it's a mistranslation then of some kind. Certainly wouldn't be the first time it's happened. Anyway, I accept it because it's what I see that actually happens. First bayonetta unravels her hair and it twists around a bit before entering a portal. Then another portal appears at another location, where the hair, still shifting, exits out of. A half second later, a demon is formed out of the hair. And you can see the hair struggling to maintain the coloration of the demon, as it keeps going from having it's own colors to pure bayonetta's black. It seems obvious to me, just from what we see happening, that the demon is using the hair to maintain it's form in that world.
Actually, it'd be inaccurate to say that the hair is Bayonetta's vessel, if a vessel 'contains' things. Her hair isn't a single hair, it's a whole bunch of hairs working together, so how can that 'contain' the spirit of a demon?
Either way, my point is that they definitely use the hairs to maintain their form and that it's not their true bodies that we are summoning. I don't know what you would call that if not a vessel and not a conduit, but there it is.
As to Bayonetta's world, it is similar to Dante's in many ways, but I credit that more to Kamiya being a bit lazy with his storytelling. Look at the similarities of Jeanne and Nelo Angelo. An old close friend/sibling figure brainwashed into doing evil by the villain with god delusions who wants to rule a world that is exists in an interdimensionally layered state with judeochristian inspired otherworlds. He just used the same template as he did with DMC, but I wouldn't say that they are the same world.
Fimbulvetr
Member
I think it's more like he's always wanted to continue using DMC's world, but he felt like it wasn't his once other people made sequels to it... that and he couldn't access the series anymore if he tried.
Oh, thank you for the confirmation.
Trevelyan9999
Banned
Figured I'd put this up for the obligatory "not a good comparison" but do it anyway comparison:
Bayonetta 2 real-time graphics:
Unreal Engine 4 real-time graphics:
The more I look at the Bayonetta 2 effects on that monster, the more it looks like the game might be using similar effects from that Bird Demo, like on the rocks in the gif below:
Definitely promising on the Wii U graphics front.....
Bayonetta 2 real-time graphics:
Unreal Engine 4 real-time graphics:
The more I look at the Bayonetta 2 effects on that monster, the more it looks like the game might be using similar effects from that Bird Demo, like on the rocks in the gif below:
Definitely promising on the Wii U graphics front.....
Net_Wrecker
Member
Bayonetta 2 real-time graphics:
My finger twitches instinctively trying to Witch Time dodge this.
I NEED MY FIX, PLATINUM.
Bayonetta 2 real-time graphics:
Definitely promising on the Wii U graphics front.....
Are we sure that monster escene is in real-time?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Inaba confirmed it was real-time.