Beer Monkey
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Profitable launch hardware from MS and Sony, LOL.
Also, new consoles every two years will fragment your base too much and cause a mess for developers, publishers, and retailers.
These things aren't goddamn iPods.
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Profitable launch hardware from MS and Sony, LOL.
Also, new consoles every two years will fragment your base too much and cause a mess for developers, publishers, and retailers.
These things aren't goddamn iPods.
That's a given. It's either a distinct component or some heavy CPU tweaking, which would explain Aegies' comments about the latter being quite different to what's inside Orbis.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
They are not going for high end crazy overspending specs anymore, so it's not impossible that they'd be selling them with minimal profit.
I think the biggest drawback to this is that 3rd party wouldn't like continuously moving target spec, especially if only one company does it.
Theoretically, everything would work on the first model, it would just work better on newer models (high res, better framerate etc). Realistically you'd probably feel about as left behind as you would today if you were using Iphone 4.
Beer Monkey
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Do you know why this generation lasted 8 years?
Do you think it's a drawback that tens of millions of parents won't buy their kids a new console every two years?
XtremeXpider
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PS3 "magic" was Cell, now, PS4 magic is "it is easier to programming than before"...
Obviously Xbox 720 don't have any "magic", but now it looks like "all the good things are in PS4 and all the bad things are in Xbox 720", lol.
Durango will have their strengths and weaknesses, just as Orbis.
You do understand that both of these consoles are insanely close in architecture, right? Differences, sure, but I feel like I need to remind you... again... that even with the architectural divide of the PS360 - we still see games look/play almost exactly the same... with insanely different architecture.
Now we have consoles with rumored architecture so close in design - you pretty much can call it before they leave the gate.
Sure, anything can happen, but the chances are slim to none. I wouldn't keep hoping that something magical can happen - you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
From everything we know - your scenario isn't going to happen and again - people are here discussing what we know and not chasing some magical, beyond hypothetical unicorn which has no evidence to support its existence.
Yes. I understand all of that.
But despite everything that we know... Don't assume. Things can change.
Yep. You nailed that perfectly.
Unless those Data Move Engines provide something really interesting, it seems they will have almost exactly the same weaknesses and strengths in the grand scheme of things, but Orbis will have better GPU performance.
We're not getting an Xbox every two years. These specs were the target to provide a solid next gen visual jump while still being cheap enough to bundle with Kinect 2 and not be ridiculously expensive. Durango is not underpowered, it's just less powerful than Orbis. The Xbox crowd isn't used to having lower specs but, from my understanding, we won't see anything like some of the atrocious ports the 360 has recieved this gen.
Uno Venova
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Eerily reminded of the Wiiu speculation days.
Your probably right. However, 32MB is a limitation. The eSRAM can only do as much as the memory allows and will serve for specific functions like the eDRAM did on the 360.
XtremeXpider
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How can you say that "both are exactly the same but PS4 as a better GPU" if we don't have all details?
You are focus on DMEs, but there are some things that are unknown yet.
Except I think it was a given Wii U was going cheap with cutting edge graphics technology.
No sane person would think Nintendo would be pulling a Gamecube with Wii U after the success of the Wii.
You're the one that's assuming, bro. You're the one that wants to ignore the specs we know and create your own unrealistic expectations not based on any evidence we have.
Do you seriously not get it? You're ignoring everything and fabricating your own separate reality.
You know what... I've been duped. You have to be trolling. I've been fucking had.
We will just have to wait for more information about the CPU, as there hasn't been any rumors about any auxiliary component that corresponds to being able to help out with compute heavy calculations.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Actually, no. PS4 "magic" is 50% more processing power and 2.5x faster RAM.
XtremeXpider
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Wait what?? trolling?? LoL... he is doing the same than you and another psguys, speculing.
Gemüsepizza;47350575 said:
And half ram size, come on, I know all the specs in both consoles, the same info than you.
So I'm assuming to not assume? What the fuck am I reading?
Tone down the crazy. This is a speculation thread afterall.
Uno Venova
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No in the same way people were hoping for a spec bump from the rumored, and disappointing to many, specs. And even though we've been told any major spec changes in this case are unlikely and things are final.
We're speculating on what we know. Not trying to read between lines that do not exist.
No - do not confuse me with him. I run on specifics, not "hope".
No. You are ignoring specs and assuming things like reality don't exist.
XtremeXpider
Member
And we can't assume anything with what we have, we have only a piece of the cake.
It is like back to 2005...
Oh! PS3 have 8 things and Xbox 360 just have 3!
Oh! PS3 have the double FLOPS!
Oh! PS3 have more bandwith!
And a lot of multiplatform have better performance on Xbox 360.
Do you know all the DX inside Durango?
Outside those DMEs, the picture is rather clear at this point. Both console use Jaguar and GCN architectures, so comparing them is fairly straightforward.
Alright. Both consoles are straightforward.
PS4 will have 60fps games. Durango will have 30fps games.
Now somebody Kazify my avatar.
oldergamer
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So this whole time, everyone has been comparing Xbox tv set top box to PS4 and not the actual Xbox 3? http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3674802/xbox-tv-set-top-box-casual-gaming-streaming-2013
XtremeXpider
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You are simplifying everything in a fantastic way, congratulations
Cell and Xenon are both PowerPC based, are they the same?
Both GPUs (PS3/360) are DX9 but Xenos use unified shaders, are they the same?
No, it's not like 2005, LMFAO!
You have no clue about hardware architecture and how it matters, do you? Now I know you are trolling me. ALMOST had me this time
Good one.That would be amazing but nah. It would be too powerful for a casual machine.
dragonelite
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Gemüsepizza;47350575 said:
Lottes?
Since when did 33% became 50%.
50% is the growth not the difference.
1.2 is 66% of 1.8.
Karak
Member
No in this thread shit has just got balls crazy.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Uhm yes? PS4 has 50% more processing power than Xbox 3. Xbox 3 has 33% less processing power than PS4.
The set top box most likely would have something comparable to mobile phones, low power ARM CPU etc..
XtremeXpider
Member
No, it's not like 2005, LMFAO!
You have no clue about hardware architecture and how it matters, do you? Now I know you are trolling me. ALMOST had me this time
That's exactly what I'm trying to explain, nobody have a real clue about hardware in both consoles.
OH damn AVG and Chrome both blocked that shit for me
Gonna look at the page in Linux. Something about one of the ads running from one of the websites is a known malware distributor.
Yeah but that was the bandwidth of the PS2 small EDRAM. Not a fair comparison at all. In this regard, 360 EDRAM is considerably faster than the one found on the PS2. Which is of course normal.
Rest of the memory was 3.2GB/s.
Still this EDRAM on S2 was surely impressive, and probably the cause of many issue with BC on the PS3.
We have leaked specs and that's what we're talking about. What is so impossibly hard to grasp about such a simple concept of "let's compare tech specs we know about"? Especially hardware that is so architecturally alike?
I can make easy comparisons between a stock 302 and one punched out .30, heads, cam, intake, headers, etc. - it's the same architecture but one motor produces more torque/horse than the other.
This isn't rocket science - there is no need to pretend it is.
A casuals' oriented set top box with a GPU of 1,2 TFlops+ seems a bit excessive...but who knows!
Karak
Member
It could be because you have made up a set of arbitrary rules where the specs but not the gap in them are free to be discussed. Its not rocket science that a thread about future tech and leaked specs would spread to those specs not leaked.
And if the leak is even accurate. I am only going on the history of the Internet here. So I could be wrong.
It is to those that don't understand it
OverHeat
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Got to play those arcade game
XtremeXpider
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Comparing A vs B, while we understand that A or B are not the 100%, is ok. But some people are arguing that yes or yes, at the end, Durango is almost a Wii U and PS4 is a top notch PC, even when some insiders have commented that both are very similar.
Angry Birds Kinect requires dem flops.
Uno Venova
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XtremeXpider
Member
I am exaggerating, obviously, but some people tend to over exaggerate the distance between PS4 and next Xbox.
oldergamer
Member
Well if it's designed to play games, it's not that excessive. low power, laptop parts, lower memory bandwidth. Add to it that we already heard numerous times that there are going to be two xbox sku's.
This would make sense.
XtremeXpider
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AVG antivirus?
Same here.
Baconsammy
Banned
I didn't comment on the 360 version. Just the Apple one, which is better. It's also much faster, which is all I actually care about. Simple and fast. Paired to my iPad makes it even better.
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