Better ports and 1 or 2 high quality exclusives that show off the power would have improved the launch sales. The fiasco we are witnessing right now is a combination of multiple factors. The ridiculously bad hardware is just one of them.
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34,000 pieces of Wii U software were sold in the UK in January (incl. NintyLand)
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Better ports and 1 or 2 high quality exclusives that show off the power would have improved the launch sales. The fiasco we are witnessing right now is a combination of multiple factors. The ridiculously bad hardware is just one of them.
Unknown One
Member
That was what GAF was expecting. Wii-U getting superior ports of current generation titles at 1080p or 60 fps.
ACO83 shitting on Wii U in a Wii U thread, colour me surprised!
Btw you have no fucking clue what is shovelware if you think those are shovelware.
If it was easier to develop for and/or more powerful, they wouldn't have needed to put much more effort in to achieve superior results.
Baconsammy
Banned
I'm not talking about launch. The Wii died 2-3 years ago when Nintendo finally stopped developing for it, but third parties were gone long before that. Why was there no GTA4, no Skyrim, no Fallout etc etc? Because down-porting to that hardware wasn't viable. Third parties can keep a system alive for quite awhile. At least put yourself on a level playing field tech-wise with the competition and give third parties fewer excuses to ignore you. That's just the actual tech side of things. Then you have features/OS etc where Nintendo is just miserably behind everyone else, despite seeing others do it properly for nearly a decade.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The shopped Jaguars logo is actually the new Jaguars logo, they made it official the other day.
Still a silly thing to do to an already perfect gif of course.
I'm saying I'm skeptical that many additional titles would have been there at launch.
The 2 largest factors in the disappointing launch was price and a lack of a killer 1st party title, as well as a post launch drought.
No one has given me any compelling reason why more powerful hardware would have solved those issues.
airmangataosenai
Member
Yeah. Fanboys on GAF seem to take it as a personal slight, but there's a good reason why Dreamcast didn't have it this bad when it launched, and it was because it cost next to nothing for them to port from PS1/N64. You remove those expenses for devs and the games will come, even if they are low effort products.
Maybe not certain major releases ala GTA as Rockstar can be fickle, but at the very least Tomb Raider and DmC would've made it.
If we aren't talking about disappointing launch sales, what are we talking about?
Unknown One
Member
They possibly don't want to buy a Nintendo console to play it. That's essentially port begging anyways.
Baconsammy
Banned
What's missing from launch? What's missing in the 6-12 months post launch? What caused the world to lose interest in the Wii years prior to the Wii U being released? If you think the root of Nintendo's problem is solely that they were unprepared for launch, you're in for a bleak future.
airmangataosenai
Member
Because it costs them an additional $300+ as a point of entry, with inferior online infrastructure to what already exists? Add to that the fact that we could've played these same HD versions of games more than half a decade ago...
I don't understand why people are opposed to the idea as a consumer. What is the down side of Nintendo going third party for you?
Rockandrollclown
lookwhatyou'vedone
Its hard to deny that a lot of Nintendo first party offerings are fantastic. For a lot of people an excellent Nintendo made game 1-2 times a year does not sell a console. Hence people clamor for a way to play Nintendo made game on consoles that see use due to 3rd parties not ignoring them. No one's first party offerings are enough to carry a console generation its third parties that keep most peoples' consoles in use the rest of the year.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
The Wii U should have been cheaper, if that meant making a weaker console then it is now they should have done it.
I think Nintendo has a lot of problems, but I think people just hoping for PS4/720 parity are ignoring unique issues Nintnedo has and over estimating the impact parity would have on 3rd parties business plans. It might have made a difference last gen after the Wii was sold out for 2 years.
Vire
Member
Keyphrase they clamor Nintendo games. Not criminally underpowered Nintendo consoles.
People want to play the software without having to invest in bad hardware. *raises hand*
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Vire said:
It's hard to compare. There are only three home consoles I know of to launch worldwide within a single month, so beating out the pathetic X360 early supply isn't saying a lot, especially when more of the Wii U shipment apparently was still unsold.Foffy said:
In the US alone for the first two months Wii U is behind the first two months of Wii/Xbox/GameCube. In Japan through the early weeks it's behind Wii/PS2. It's harder to come by European info, but fair to say it's not among the top launches there.
Worldwide GameCube was at under 4 million through its first half year, but it still hadn't even launched in Europe. The earliest bit of Euro GCN data I have is that it had shipped about 2 million through the first year.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
We'll probably see them have some kinda 3DS followup that works akin to the Nvidia handheld/Wii U/etc when playing at home.
Zoramon089
Banned
Noooo
So apparently gamesindustry.biz went with the data I posted:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ware-1-6-per-cent-of-the-uk-market-in-january
Amusing reaction. Also failed to link to GAF correctly.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ware-1-6-per-cent-of-the-uk-market-in-january
Amusing reaction. Also failed to link to GAF correctly.
The WiiU is about as powerful as 360/PS3 which are both sold with a good profit margin. It would´ve been no problem to design a console for 350(or even less) that blows both out of the water.
SolarPowered
Member
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels the the hardware is a glaring issue. This is how I felt about it since day one. They just released a system that couldn't do anything to make itself seem more powerful than eight year old hardware when this generation's consoles are in serious decline due to old age. To make matter worse they basically sit on the Wii's profits for years instead of building up talent/infrastructure for HD development back in 2009/2010. Now their big surefire games for this year are Pikmin 3 and an HD remaster of an old Zelda game(my favorite Zelda, mind you!) that both pale in comparison to the power of the old NSMB games. Nintendo Land isn't even worth talking about.
Nintendo has no one but themselves to blame. All the cries of Gamecube numbers once seemed absolutely insane and far worse than the stupid "DOOOOM" posts, but it doesn't sound completely insane when Japan is pretty much done with home consoles and the Wii U has literally cratered in Europe(barely exists at all in the UK).
Nintendo has no one but themselves to blame. All the cries of Gamecube numbers once seemed absolutely insane and far worse than the stupid "DOOOOM" posts, but it doesn't sound completely insane when Japan is pretty much done with home consoles and the Wii U has literally cratered in Europe(barely exists at all in the UK).
Baconsammy
Banned
You'll probably see a couple of those released in the Fall.
I'd love to play a Zelda game on a dual shock, with no alternative control scheme bullshit and modern graphics. I'm not rooting for Nintendo to fail, but it would be the silver lining.
Yup.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Curious; do you pay your own bills, or do you have parents covering that for you?
Launch 360 and PS3 are fucking expensive to run.
Whiskeymatt
Member
As with most things, it's probably a bit of both.
The question is the wii u gamepad. For a machine that is same or more powerful than HD twins cant get to the same price due to high cost of gamepad and be profitable.
A lot of us still love some of those core Nintendo franchises, but it is just not enough to justify owning another system. Hell I own a Wii and the inconvenience of simply having a third system hooked up probably kept me from buying a dozen or so games I was interested in for the system. Plus we have to consider that there will be at least two other new consoles coming out in addition to PS4/720 this generation. For those of us who do not find anything compelling about the Wii hardware or controls, going third party would be a great thing for us.
Probably. I really am curious to see how the market will response to sony and MS machines. I am not sold on the fact they will have easier than nintendo. Only advantage both have is they are also multimedia machines.
What they needed was a profitable 360 with a modernized wiimote, and for 249$.
But it wouldn't have been enough, cause there would be the same game problem. And that's not only about this launch, this is way more deep than that. Nintendo cannot suddenly reach the gamers he avoided for 10 years. Their investment should have been in the software and the creation of new ips for years. They should have realized giving their regular dose of Zelda and Mario to their fans wasn't enough at all. Actually i think they realized it, but they're just out of way to escape that truth.
But it wouldn't have been enough, cause there would be the same game problem. And that's not only about this launch, this is way more deep than that. Nintendo cannot suddenly reach the gamers he avoided for 10 years. Their investment should have been in the software and the creation of new ips for years. They should have realized giving their regular dose of Zelda and Mario to their fans wasn't enough at all. Actually i think they realized it, but they're just out of way to escape that truth.
Vire
Member
-not as many hardware innovations mainly(specifically controller)
it is nice having a console manufacturer that does something different and unique and takes risks, rather than just buying this HD console or that HD console.
-we wouldn't have off tv play, or things like miiverse, or asymmetrical multiplater. and that is only counting this generation. Their hw and sw are designed around each other.
yurinka
Member
As I know GameCube was always sold at profit and WiiU is being sold at loss. In any case, I think it won't be enough with one console.
I agree that they should release something to compete with PS4/720 asap. Or if not, to focus on 3DS.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
airmangataosenai
Member
The condescending tone is nice but yes, I'm not particularly wealthy. Purchases over $200 let alone $300 require some serious consideration for normal people. I can probably only afford one of these systems over the next year. $300 or more entry to play 2 to 3 interesting games a year isn't the best value prospect.
Edit: Oh you meant power consumption. Either way I wasn't referring to launch power consumption, I specified the current models, not the old ones.
Unknown One
Member
I would argue to have it at 200 dollars since Microsoft can drop the price to undercut it.
Yep. This guy gets it.
I still feel it's the difference between "has a chance at support" and "definitely isn't getting support" though.
but they have created a tremendous amount of new IPs over the years. Miyamoto is even creating a new one as we speak for wiiu
This really makes me wonder how cheaply they could have made a system on par with the hd twins, with that being the goal in mind instead of focusing on the tablet. If I could have picked up for all intents and purposes a cheap HD Nintendo Box that had parity with the hd twins, I could probably justify buying it for those 1st Party exclusives and a few 3rd party exclusives here and there.
If this console ends up like Gamecube sales wise in the long run. . . ouch. They took a gamble with the Gamepad, it's going to be interesting to see whether that concept pays off or was a monumental mistake.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Perfect. Nintendo is the king of milking, yet people point fingers at Activision.
Vire
Member
Wat.
Unless you consider Wii Music a new exciting franchise from Nintendo...
The last new note worthy character based I.P. Nintendo did was Pikmin. That was 12 years ago.
That's fair. But I doubt the chances were ever particularly high for Western developers and publishers.
SolarPowered
Member
Back at the very start of 2011.
nope, just because it might not be games you are not really interested in, doesn't mean they are not new IPs. These are all games published or created by Nintendo.
Nintendo Gamecube
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
GiFTPiA
Donkey Konga
Battalion Wars
Geist
Chibi-Robo!
Odama
Nintendo Wii
Art Style
Wii Sports
Excite Truck
Wii Play
Endless Ocean
Wii Fit
Wii Music
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Captain Rainbow
Common sense of people power TV
Tact of Magic
FlingSmash
Dynamic Slash
And-Kensaku
Pandora's Tower
Kiki Trick
Xenoblade Chronicles
The Last Story
Zangeki no Reginleiv
Wii-Ware
Bonsai Barber
Rock N’ Roll Climber
PictureBook Games: Pop-Up Pursuit
You, Me and the Cubes
Eco Shooter: Plant 530
Snowpack Park
ThruSpace
Line Attack Heroes
Fluidity
Wii-U
P-100
Panorama View
Nintendo Land
X
Game Boy Advance
Golden Sun
Magical Vacation
Napoleon
Kuririn
Horse Racing Creating Derby
Stafy
Tomato Adventure
WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$
Drill Dozer
Rhythm Tengoku
bit Generations
Nintendo DS
Polarium
Nintendogs
Jump Super Stars
Electroplankton
Big Brain Academy
Brain Age
Clubhouse Games
Magnetica
Elite Beat Agents
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Trace Memory
Master of Illusion
Slide Adventure MAGKID
Soma Bringer
Jam with the Band
Fossil Fighters
Style Savvy
Glory of Heracles
Friend Collection
Walk with me! Do you know your walking routine?
Cooking Guide: Can't Decide What To Eat?
Dsi
Aura Aura Climber
Art Academy
Kappa Trail
Pinball Pulse: The Ancient Beckons
Nintendo 3ds
Steel Diver
3DS Ware
Harmo Knight
Freakyforms: Your Creations, Alive!
Pushmo
Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword
Dillon's Rolling Western
Ketzal's Corridors
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
I don't get why you say nobody gives a shit about their utility bills then.
If YOU did you'd have more money to spend on things that aren't bills.
More long term, the increasing level of fucked that the planet is at ecologically is going to result in legislative controls over electrical devices power consumption, not just relying on consumer personal responsibility (or lack thereof).
There are already proposals and debates about this in the EU right now.
Saying investing in low power draw and efficiency doesn't matter to anyone is selfish and idiotic.
EDIT:
he said character based IP so that he could exclude certain data sets, silly.