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France-GAF |OT| Existentialism, cheese, wine and je ne sais quoi

Since our Italian neighbours have decided to start their own |OT|, I thought we French people might as well have ours.

This thread is dedicated to everything France-related: news, history, politics, the French language (learners/beginners welcome!), culture, cinema, tourism, pop music, etc. I'll do my best to keep the OP updated, so feel free to suggest anything to add here (and if anyone can make a good banner, your help is most welcome!).

Map of France:

france-map.jpg

The French Political System (as summarized by TVTropes): http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FrenchPoliticalSystem

Where to get news about France:

In English:


In French:

Left-wing


Right-wing:

Other:


Recommended French or francophone literature (courtesy of /lit/)


Want to become a French citizen?

Follow those links: http://www.frenchentree.com/fe-lavie/displayarticle.asp?id=29005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law

On the French language:

Popularity of this language and availability of learning material: 4/5
Difficulty to learn this language for an English speaker: 3/5

Fascinating language spoken across the world and access to a great country - France. As Barry Farber says :"No matter your other language achievement, you will be judged by your French"

Usefulness

French is highly useful for any activities involving travel to France: whatever great minds the French have, they are poor polyglots. If you go to France and want to understand something of the country, speaking French is a must. Speaking a few words will help considerably, but don't expect people to applaude just because you mumbled a heavily accented Bonjour Monsieur. The French can be extremely demanding and even rude, especially in Paris, to people who do not speak French well.

Speaking French will be very useful in many countries besides France, such as North Africa, Québec, and in many "black" African countries. Unless you wish to learn the local dialects, French will often be the only language widely understood (see below for more details about each country).

Chic factor

French is one of the most chic languages you can learn. It is associated with haute cuisine, fine wines, culture, philosophy and a stunningly beautiful country.

But be aware that to be chic, you need to speak French correctly. It is a not a good idea to start showing off your French if all you know is a couple words and you make mistakes in every phrase. The French themselves do not take kindly mistakes in their language, even from foreigners. I read a lot in English and it seems almost every French word in italics I encounter in English texts, especially from the US, contain mistakes. I am not sure who these people are trying to impress, but they certainly miss the mark for anybody who speaks French.

Countries

French is an official language of : France, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Canada, Madagascar, Côte d'Ivoire, Cameroon, Burkina Faso, Mali, Senegal, Belgium, Rwanda, Haiti, Switzerland, Burundi, Togo, Central African Republic, Republic of the Congo, Gabon, Comoros, Djibouti, Luxembourg, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Mauritius, Vanuatu, Seychelles.
It is also widely understood in Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco and Lebanon. You will also find small communities of speakers in a dozen other countries.

Speakers

About 75 million speak French as their mother tongue, but a further 55 million know it as a communication language.

Economic importance

French will open you one of the world's largest economies, France, and allow you to do business in various North African countries where French is the lingua franca of the business intelligentsia.

If you do business in France and are selling anything, a knowledge of the French language is almost indispensible. French businessmen often speak little or no English, and feel much more confortable dealing with a business partner they can adress in French.

Travel

France is the most visited country on Earth. I believe there is something attractive to do in France for anybody at any stage of his life. More than 20,000 castles. Some of the nicest beaches you can find. A food used as a reference for fine cooking all over the world. Wines. Truffles. Amazing landscapes, hiking trails and outdoor pursuits. Incredible museums. I have visited France several times a year for over 20 years and can see it from my bedroom (I live on the Swiss side of Lake Geneva) and still it captivates me.

The language considerably help travel in France. The French are often quite chauvinists, especially with non-white, non-French speaking tourists. It's sad but that's the way it is. If you speak French well and understand a bit of the culture people's values, you can bring back amazing memories of interacting with the French. This makes for more vivid recollections than the monuments - trust me.

Travellers who visit the Maghreb (Tunisia, Algery and Morroco) report that a knowledge of French can get you anywhere in those countries, whereas learning Modern Standard Arabic does not.

Culture

French culture is seen as the epitome of refinement in several domains, litterature, philosophy, architecture, arts and cuisine. You will have no lack of intellectual pursuits to maintain your French, be through films, television, books or newspapers.

Difficulty

I rate this language as 3/5 - of average learning difficulty, at least for people who do not speak other romance languages. Orthograph is difficult, conjugation and phonetics not very easy, but vocabulary acquisition can be quite fast. Also, the French do not forgive errors easily, so the level you must reach before you can speak French is higher than, for instance, for Russian.

French spelling is difficult and riddled with irregularities, even more so than English. Other romance languages such as Spanish have a much easier spelling system. But French uses an antiquated system preserved in formaldehyde by a body of 70 year olds known as the Académie Française, who rules on how French should be written and spoken. Set up under Louis XIV, this institution has frozen the language in an illogical orthograph where you can spell a given sound a 3, 4 or more different ways depending on the whims of history.

French orthograph is difficult for French people too. Every year, a competition is created called La Dictée where a text written with highly unusual words is dictated to hundreds of participants from all over the country who try to write it with as few errors as possible. The competition is showed on TV.

Serge Gainsbourg, one of France's best singers, made a humorous song that revolves on this difficulties of French spelling.

Do not make typos in French. If you think that you can write as you you wish as long as people understand, think again. This the country where people watch the Dictée on TV ! Typos in French are not taken kindly, and using modern spellchecking softwares, there is no reason why you should not be able to write flawless French.

Time needed

If you study an hour every day there is no reason why you should not be able to read a newspaper with a dictionary after a 12 months of study. Speaking and writing simple texts without errors should be reachable after 18 to 24 months.

Full version of this text at http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/languages/french/index.html


Recommended French film directors (suggestions needed):

  • Jean-Luc Godard (Breathless, Pierrot le fou, Contempt)
  • Luc Besson (The Big Blue, The Fifth Element, Léon/The Professionnal, Angel-A)
  • Gaspar Noé (Irreversible, Enter the Void)
  • Christophe Gans (Crying Freeman, Brotherhood of the Wolf, Silent Hill)
  • Michel Gondry (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Be Kind Rewind, The Science of Sleep)
  • Mathieu Kassovitz (La Haine)
  • Jean-Pierre Jeunet (Amélie)
  • François Truffaut (The 400 Blows, Fahrenheit 451, The Bride Wore Black)
  • Chris Marker
  • Quentin Dupieux
  • Claude Sautet
  • Jacques Doillon
  • Claude Lanzmann (Shoah)
  • Marcel Carné
  • Alain Corneau
  • René Clément
  • François Ozon
  • Louis Malle
  • Max Linder
  • Cladue Chabrol
  • Maurice Pialat
  • Alain Resnais
  • Henri-Georges Clouzot
  • Costa-Gavras
  • Jacques Audiard (The Beat That My Heart Skipped, Rust and Bone, A Prophet)
  • Roman Polanski (Rosemary's Baby, The Pianist, Chinatown)
  • Pascal Laugier (Martyrs)
  • Jacques Tati
  • Léos Carax (Holy Motors)
  • Jean-Jacques Annaud (Enemy at the Gates a.k.a. Stalingrad, The Name of the Rose)
  • Olivier Assayas
  • Jean-Pierre Melfille (The Samurai, Army of Shadows, The Red Circle)
  • Michel Hazanavicius (The Artist, OSS 117: Cairo, Nest of Spies, OSS 117: Lost in Rio)

Recommended French music by genre (suggestions needed):

Chanson/Variété: Claude François, Charles Aznavour, Édith Piaf, Georges Brassens, Brigitte Fontaine, Carla Bruni, Serge Gainsbourg, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Alain Bashung, Benjamin Biolay, Renaud (a.k.a. Renaud Séchan), Manu Chao, Lara Fabian, Olivia Ruiz, Henri Salvador, Jean-Jacques Goldman

Classical: Georges Bizet, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Jean-Baptiste Lully, Jacques Offenbach

Folk: Yann Tiersen

Rock: Noir Désir, Johnny Hallyday, Indochine, Eddy Mitchell, Téléphone, Mano Negra, Dick Rivers, Matthieu Chedid a.k.a. -M-, Patrick Rondat, Phoenix

Metal: Gojira, Eths, The CNK, Anorexia Nervosa, Smash Hit Combo, Pleymo

Rap and hip-hop: MC Solaar, NTM, IAM, Orelsan, Booba, La Fouine, Oxmo Puccino, Saian Supa Crew

Pop: Anggun, Mylène Farmer, Vanessa Paradis, Nolwenn Leroy, Alain Souchon, Laurent Voulzy, Najoua Belyzel, Alizée, Michel Polnareff, Pascal Obispo, Philippe Katerine

Electronic: Daft Punk, Justice, Air, Stardust, Bob Sinclar, David Guetta, Jean-Michel Jarre, Mr Oizo, Kavinsky, Madeon

Reggae: Pierpoljak

Some French-made video games:

  • Alone in the Dark series
  • Another World (a.k.a. Out of This World)
  • Arx Fatalis
  • Beyond Good and Evil
  • Beyond: Two Souls
  • Cities XL
  • Dishonored
  • Dofus
  • Fahrenheit (a.k.a. Indigo Prophecy)
  • Flashback
  • From Dust
  • Heart of Darkness
  • Heavy Rain
  • Just Dance series
  • Little Big Adventure series
  • Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie
  • Rayman series
  • Raving Rabbids series
  • Red Steel
  • Remember Me
  • Shaq Fu
  • Shootmania
  • Superman 64
  • Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter series
  • Top Spin series
  • Trackmania series
  • V-Rally series
  • Wakfu
  • ZombiU

Thread about the French Foreign Legion: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=512466
 

G.O.O.

Member
Also, once and for all, it's "omelette au fromage" and not "omelette du fromage". Fucking cartoons.

Great thread, I'll follow it with attention :)

I'd add Michel Hazanavicius to the directors, and Orelsan (rap), Ravel (classic), Mr Oizo and Kavinsky (electro) to the musicians.
 

addik

Member
Finally, a France thread!

I studied there for a year, and loved it. People were surprised that I loved it considering I was sent to the North (Everyone seems to have a bad image of Nord-Pas-de-Calais but I love it there). I'm fluent in French but I hope to master it so that I can look in to moving to France or study Film there.
 

Kurtofan

Member
Just want to add a map of overseas France:

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Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana, Réunion and Mayotte are overseas departments-regions and integral parts of France and of the EU(with the exception of Mayotte)

The other territories have different statuses.The sun never sets on the French Republic ;)
 

WARCOCK

Banned
MATHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Since 2002 both france and russia have had 3 fields medals winners each, while we haven't had a single american born one since :(
 

Air

Banned
Not French, but the woman are beautiful and I would love to learn the language and visit one day.
 

EMT0

Banned
I'm a former French student who's recently out of high school, and my French teacher(native of France) was very fond of me and told me I had a very good grasp on pronunciation. I'm afraid I'm slowly losing whatever grasp I had on French(I speak Spanish, so French wasn't too hard to begin with), and am looking to stop the decay.

GAF Français, j'ai besoin de votre aide! Any advice on what I should do? Radio, TV, movies, books, or something else entirely?
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
I admire France's food culture. I think we (United States) could learn a bit about giving a shit about food quality without resorting to obsessing about single thing like "antioxidants".

Every now and then I'll see a health news article from BBC using a US program as an example for good policy. I know we're leaders in some Scientific fields, but come on we're not a good example of public health.

Any recommendations on cook books or apps? I've got some of Julia Child's stuff, but I'm not sure how authentic it is.
 

G.O.O.

Member
GAF Français, j'ai besoin de votre aide! Any advice on what I should do? Radio, TV, movies, books, or something else entirely?
TV is good to keep it but we produce a lot of crap. Try watching Arte, it's better than the rest and a lot of their programs have subtitles.
 

Kurtofan

Member
A French series I love is Kaamelot, it's a comedy series set in Arthurian legends.

First seasons are vignettes of a few minutes each, though later seasons have longer episodes.

There's supposed to be a movie in the making but I have no idea what happened to it.
 
I'm a former French student who's recently out of high school, and my French teacher(native of France) was very fond of me and told me I had a very good grasp on pronunciation. I'm afraid I'm slowly losing whatever grasp I had on French(I speak Spanish, so French wasn't too hard to begin with), and am looking to stop the decay.

GAF Français, j'ai besoin de votre aide! Any advice on what I should do? Radio, TV, movies, books, or something else entirely?
France Info (the main radio news station) is good if you want to listen to standard French: http://www.franceinfo.fr/player

A French series I love is Kaamelot, it's a comedy series set in Arthurian legends.

First seasons are vignettes of a few minutes each, though later seasons have longer episodes.

There's supposed to be a movie in the making but I have no idea what happened to it.
Seconding Kaamelott, but I don't like the longer, more serious episodes.

I highly recommend Bref. The episodes are two minutes-long at most and you'll like it if you're a fan of David Fincher's directing/editing style.
 

thomaser

Member
I've always found France a bit mysterious and almost sinister. I mean, Paris is great, and so are the other big cities and the riviera and the wine-areas. But all those places in between are shady as hell. When I think about rural France, it's all angry old people with pitchforks that hate outsiders and throw them into dungeous and feed their bodies to the pigs and wolves. Sorry, France, but that's my mental image.
 

Llyranor

Member
Been to France twice. Love the food, history, culture, music, language.

French music is awesome.

Saint-Saëns
3rd symphony 'Organ' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8-5XvpHhc
Introduction & Rondo Capriccioso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5tQQ3hqleE

Ravel
Piano concerto in G http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK6HMtZTeOs (one of the highlights of human culture!)
String quartet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KUTa6P6lM

Debussy
La Mer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s4kjPRL4Ic
Children's Corner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKhYcjuUhYg

Fauré
Requiem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQAfZaKqe-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLY2bd5w8k

Berlioz
Symphonie Fantastique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0jhkYx2x5Y#t=49m3

Chausson
Poeme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OE1TmSvpF4

Gounod
Faust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMkC1a2ETQ8 (love vocal counterpoint)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx-yMhGifvw (I really found the trios to be the best parts of the opera)

De Mondonville
Sonate en symphonie Op3/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVcjcIeNBQM
 

Kuntz

Member
Subscribed, French-GAF needs meetups, especially in summer where music festivals pop almost everywhere...

So many topics I'd like to share...

People need to know we're not about bread and mustaches.

Also : I'll try to find a map where the country is divided bi different sounding accents and/or customs, because there are thousands of different "Frances" depending on where you live, and people living like 20 kms away can be completely different (as the landscape can be too, we got mountains, plains, sea, ocean, volcanoes, swamps, forests, huge cities ...).

ALLEZ LA FRANCE !
 

DrSlek

Member
As an Australian slowly teaching myself the French language, I heartily endorse this event and/or product.

Though shouldn't it be under the community sub-forum?
 

WARCOCK

Banned
Been to France twice. Love the food, history, culture, music, language.

French music is awesome.

Saint-Saëns
3rd symphony 'Organ' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8-5XvpHhc
Introduction & Rondo Capriccioso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5tQQ3hqleE

Ravel
Piano concerto in G http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK6HMtZTeOs (one of the highlights of human culture!)
String quartet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KUTa6P6lM

Debussy
La Mer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s4kjPRL4Ic
Children's Corner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKhYcjuUhYg

Fauré
Requiem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQAfZaKqe-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLY2bd5w8k

Berlioz
Symphonie Fantastique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0jhkYx2x5Y#t=49m3

Chausson
Poeme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OE1TmSvpF4

Gounod
Faust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMkC1a2ETQ8 (love vocal counterpoint)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx-yMhGifvw (I really found the trios to be the best parts of the opera)

De Mondonville
Sonate en symphonie Op3/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVcjcIeNBQM

If you must evoke Saint-Saens:

Concerto n.2 for piano and orchestra Presto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlBYLebMTdQ
 
I've always found France a bit mysterious and almost sinister. I mean, Paris is great, and so are the other big cities and the riviera and the wine-areas. But all those places in between are shady as hell. When I think about rural France, it's all angry old people with pitchforks that hate outsiders and throw them into dungeous and feed their bodies to the pigs and wolves. Sorry, France, but that's my mental image.
You must have watched too much Groland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12y2d3TrqWA

I do admit that my own vision of France is very much influenced by the fact I live near Paris. However, France isn't just Paris. The country has so many different regional cultures (Brittany and its Celtic heritage, Northern France and its Belgian-like architecture, the Basque Country which has no equivalent, etc.) and so much stuff to discover (culinary traditions, landscapes, regional languages and accents)...
 

G.O.O.

Member
I've always found France a bit mysterious and almost sinister. I mean, Paris is great, and so are the other big cities and the riviera and the wine-areas. But all those places in between are shady as hell. When I think about rural France, it's all angry old people with pitchforks that hate outsiders and throw them into dungeous and feed their bodies to the pigs and wolves. Sorry, France, but that's my mental image.
Paris and the French desert

But yes, great cultural diversity as Computer stated. We're overly protective about it (and almost everyone who isn't living in Paris hates it)
 

addik

Member
GAF Français, j'ai besoin de votre aide! Any advice on what I should do? Radio, TV, movies, books, or something else entirely?

There's this awesome French-Canadian series called Le Coeur a Ses Raisons. I actually practiced my comprehension skills with it when I went back from France. It's one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. I put it up there with 30 Rock and Arrested Development. I mean, you get ridiculous scenes like this.

Not sure where you can hunt down DVDs, I watched it when it was showing in TV5Monde. YouTube has the entire series up though.
 

WARCOCK

Banned
There's this awesome French-Canadian series called Le Coeur a Ses Raisons. I actually practiced my comprehension skills with it when I went back from France. It's one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. I put it up there with 30 Rock and Arrested Development. I mean, you get ridiculous scenes like this.

Not sure where you can hunt down DVDs, I watched it when it was showing in TV5Monde. YouTube has the entire series up though.

Hahahhahahaha. Yes. I grew up in quebec and i think that Marc Labreche's only obstacle to international recognition was the fact his material was in french.
 

Prez

Member
I want to move to French someday, but where? Toulouse, Nice, Bordeaux? Paris is too expensive and Strasbourg doesn't appeal to me.
 

addik

Member
I want to move to French someday, but where? Toulouse, Nice, Bordeaux? Paris is too expensive and Strasbourg doesn't appeal to me.

Strasbourg is definitely amazing, can't see why it won't appeal to anybody. Lille, where I lived for a year, was not so bad as well. An hour away from both Brussels and Paris, and you can choose to live within the urban center, or just outside of it which is already the countryside.

Also, it's nice to be a bus away (or even a walk away!) from the cheap stuff of Belgium.
 

Prez

Member
Strasbourg is definitely amazing, can't see why it won't appeal to anybody. Lille, where I lived for a year, was not so bad as well. An hour away from both Brussels and Paris, and you can choose to live within the urban center, or just outside of it which is already the countryside.

Also, it's nice to be a bus away (or even a walk away!) from the cheap stuff of Belgium.

I live in Belgium now and Lille really isn't much different from Belgium. Definitely want to go to the south.
 

addik

Member
I live in Belgium now and Lille really isn't much different from Belgium. Definitely want to go to the south.

Oh, yeah, it's not that different from Belgium AT ALL.

Have you looked in to Provence? I can imagine it's expensive to have a property there, but when I passed by there, I fell in love with it. Avignon or Lyon is nice.
 

Prez

Member
Oh, yeah, it's not that different from Belgium AT ALL.

Have you looked in to Provence? I can imagine it's expensive to have a property there, but when I passed by there, I fell in love with it. Avignon or Lyon is nice.

Yeah, I went to Saint-Emilion a few years ago and that's where I fell in love with France. I studied French after that for two years and I'm even more in love now. That's why Strasbourg doesn't appeal to me, it's very different from Southern France.
 

heckfu

Banned
American, but I love the idea of this thread! Studied abroad for the first time in 2002 starting along the Mediterranean and fell in love with Marseille (allez l'om!).

Been all over the country in my 4 trips since and have definitely can't wait to go back.
 

DrSlek

Member
I want to move to French someday, but where? Toulouse, Nice, Bordeaux? Paris is too expensive and Strasbourg doesn't appeal to me.

I too wish to do so. I've set it as my thirty year goal. Should be easy once I pay off my current home. Considering that for the price of my current home, you can get a 5 bedroom house in the French Wine Regions.

Yes, a holiday home in France should suit me quite nicely.
 

Kuntz

Member
Perpignan is the place to go !

Town is smaller than Toulouse but everything is at hand : the sea ? check, great weather ? check, mountains ? check, spain proximity ? check, great rubgy team ? check historical ramparts ? check

If you want go south, you can't go wrong with Perpignan !

Also replace Spain with Italy and you got Menton !

The list is so long anyway, but beware huge cities are very special, people living outside hate them as much as people living inside love them. If you have only seen Paris, Lyon, Marseille, Lille, Toulouse, Strasbourd you definitely haven't seen a lot of what France has to show.

edit : don't get the wrong idea, people were talking about the south, of course the rest is still great.

Also indeed I love foreigner's French (and Frenglish), had so much fun abroad teaching expression like "je m'en bats les couilles" and then hearing them at very inappropriate times. Sacré Français (which is also a very "cliché" song by "Dimitri from Paris").

Double edit : chauvinism is really frightening, french people are always complaining about their country, but when they get to talk about it to foreign people they become a mixture between an ambassador and a tv ad... reading back my messages I just... wow ! must be in the blood...
 

Sober

Member
English Canadian, but I've been recently trying to get myself back into teaching myself French again after doing basically K-12 French (it's not that great). I felt pretty dumb when I could barely make it past Le Petit Prince back in high school. Downright embarrassing. Will probably take actual classes as I have really tapered off trying to listen to tapes or do exercises and I don't have any one to converse with, which is mostly my goal in trying to relearn French.
 

Chuckie

Member
I fucking love France. Been there 5 times, last time in Correze. Beautiful small villages and castles galore. Oh and horse races in Pompidou.

Also I love Zaz
 

Maiar_m

Member
The only thing I know about the French is that they sit at cafes all day and complain about the government.

That's just wrong. We need no cafes to complain about any damn thing.

Also, you people should all move to Nantes. It's amazing there. I'm doing my best to move back after two years of living in London, and two more of living in the French countryside.
 
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