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''Oh, Yay, Another Mario Game.'' Step up to Playstation 2/20

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Boss Man

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If you do this then you're encouraging a lower standard of discussion across the forum. I think it's better that people let themselves get weeded out over time. :)
Eh, I see it the opposite way around. If there's an agreed-upon place to take that sort of thing then there's much less reason for it to happen in threads meant for genuine discussion and it stands out a lot more when it does happen. In my experience, it works on boards that use it.
 
Sony first party are actually quite bad when you think about it. Uncharted = Gears clone, which itself is just dudebro RE4. Little Big Planet = bad platforming + level editor allowing you to make crappier versions of games you actually like. God of War = mash buttons to watch things die for wannabe sociopaths and maladjusted teens.

It's sad really.

At least they try to remain relavent.
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
News Flash: Super Smash Bros isn't actually a good game. It's a silly button masher that even Nintendo didn't have much confidence in but when it took off they laughed all the way to the bank. It's popularity comes from pulling at nostalgia strings and remixing 8 and 16 bit tracks.

Instead of making another 10 of those how about a new Star Fox? or a new Donkey Kong Country? or a brand new IP that doesn't involve old Characters nintendo???

Yeah!

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Forkball

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I really wonder what big innovations Sony will bring to the table. Right now I'm just expecting, "The PS4 is the PS3... BUT BETTER." Similar to how the Vita was just a PSP on steroids with random features that were hit or miss. I do think their hubris would have waned a bit after last gen.
 
This is why we needed a new generation of consoles.

Not for the gaming, which will probably be worse than ever. But this, this is an essential part of GAF right here. Throw off your veils of civility, take up your arms, let the new and old paradigms clash and the bitter tears fall! THIS IS NEOGAF!

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All we really need is for NPD to come back to the party with all those glorious numbers.
 

Azure J

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That's the next IGN article

"What HD Zelda could learn from NES Zelda"

"There are dungeons, but...wait for it...waaaaaait for it....YOU CAN DO THEM IN DIFFERENT ORDERS! NON-LINEARITY IS INHERENTLY BETTER THAN LINEARITY"

"In other news, gotta collect all the light spirits hidden on the entirety of the overworld before you get access to each dungeon. Pretty neat huh?"
 

Dragon

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But therein lies the true meaning of Kratos.

Gregory Nagy (Harvard Classics professor) wrote in Best of the Acheans that we mustn't misapply our own cultural ideas and standards of what a hero is to understand the Greek heroes. The traditional greek hero is a mortal tasked with a challenging ordeal and that ultimately the archetype demands them to die, either in pursuit of it or upon completion.

That is the template of the classical greek hero, a mortal ensconced in great power yet still unable to achieve what no mortal can, immortality. Their virtues and their vices only help to remind us that they are one of us, and much like us will some day perish.

It is in this context that we see Kratos as the pinnacle of greek hero worship that he rightfully should be. Not only does he have the flaws that comprise the chains of our mortality, but those flaws are manifest in literal chains on his arms! The symbolism there is magnificent.

Not only is he a mortal who challenges the gods, he's a mortal who wins! But alas, even in victory there is no peace for his wounded soul. The ghosts of his mortal family still haunt him and we learn through his eyes that immortality is a bitter drink when served for one.

The climax of his story even comes back to the great truism of the most iconic of Greek heroes, that he himself must die in pursuit of his task, and that while we all believed him to be immortal that is a mantle none of us, even the legendary Kratos, can truly bare.

Knowing all this how can anyone argue that Kratos is not just worthy of his Greek literature contemporaries, but in fact their superior?

So how can we honestly begrudge Sony seven iterations to tell the full scope and magnitude of this masterwork of classical fiction reborn? Surely doing such an epic saga justice is more important than churning out more tales of a midget being cuckolded by a lizard man time and time again. No, I'd say that this comparison only serves to further prove how tawdry and base Nintendo's "mascot" is when placed alongside a true literary icon the likes of Kratos.

On a scale of one to ten how high are you right now?

But Demon's Souls is a SCEJ published game.

Sure but I don't give them credit since they didn't develop it. They have Folklore!
 

aravuus

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lol at the bolded

But really, this thread is coming down to a fundamental disagreement on what people focus on when looking for new experiences.

Some people in this thread say gameplay, the other people say presentation. I am personally in the gameplay camp.

I thought you left already

It's more like opinion 1 versus opinion 2.
 
At the end of the day, I agree Sony was loosing its exclusives, but like any good company they are coming back stronger then ever. Uncharted, Sly, Ratchet and Clank, TLOU etc.

Wat? Every franchise youve named has had its latest entry be subpar. None of those are on the level of GTA, Metal Gear, DMC or Final fantasy. Well maybe final fantasy...

poor Sly you deserve better
 

jay

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Sony fans simply hate capitalism. They want successful, million selling franchises dropped and new experimental efforts pushed to the forefront. Of course, these games sell about a thousand copies and then disappear off the face of the earth, but since when did being monetarily successful matter to a communist?
 

The Lamp

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Because every Sony effort is gold.

Sony does as well.

No shit. I just hate the implication of "Nintendo's software shits on Sony's from a great height." as if Nintendo is this beacon for game design when there is a plethora of stuff they can't even get right even though they have had many chances and many other studios to observe from. Sony of course makes stupid decisions sometimes as well, but if someone said "Sony's software shits on Nintendo's from a great height" I'd also have problems with a rather blanket statement. It's ignoring the fact that they both have stupid things they have to learn from.
 

Verendus

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I can tell you are being sarcastic.
Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.
 

prwxv3

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Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.

oh wow man this thread delivers
 

Soulflarz

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Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.
ok now i cannot tell if youre escalating it intentionally (trolling), or just harshly giving your opinions
 
Sony fans simply hate capitalism. They want successful, million selling franchises dropped and new experimental efforts pushed to the forefront. Of course, these games sell about a thousand copies and then disappear off the face of the earth, but since when did being monetarily successful matter to a communist?

I think this is pretty accurate. Sony would love to live in a world where they make hardware where artists triumph over all. Unfortunately they're dragged in to petty console wars and have to make shit like Uncharted and Killzone to remain competitive.

At its core Sony is an artistic company.
 
No shit. I just hate the implication of "Nintendo's software shits on Sony's from a great height." as if Nintendo is this beacon for game design when there is a plethora of stuff they can't even get right even though they have had many chances and many other studios to observe from. Sony of course makes stupid decisions sometimes as well, but if someone said "Sony's software shits on Nintendo's from a great height" I'd also have problems with a rather blanket statement. It's ignoring the fact that they both have stupid things they have to learn from.

Plenty of people have said that in this very topic. Maybe not worded exactly like that, but it has been said.
 

Glass Rebel

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Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.

you are so tsundere for pikmin its not even funny anymore
 

FluxWaveZ

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Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.

What are you doing, man...
 

Portugeezer

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Do some people in this thread really not realize how releasing 22 games starring Mario and Co. since 2005 or whatever year could be... oversaturation of the character(s)/universe, even if the games are in different genres? The fact that almost anything that sells well for Nintendo has Mario on the cover isn't really a secret, and I don't understand how you could get so defensive when that's mocked a bit.

Just because the games are in different genres doesn't mean Mario isn't being milked.

Is it just not understanding the ad in the first place? It's not "oh look the exact same game", it's "oh, look, another game with Mario in it". And there are WAY more games when Mario in them than other characters. I don't see how this can even be an argument.

I don't think anyone argues that there are a lot of games featuring Mario/Mario universe, but yes the genres matter. There is a difference in what you get from a 3D Mario to a Mario Kart to a Mario Party.

Games like Mario Kart are a one per console generation, same with 3D Mario (Wii changed this and had 2).

Putting all Mario games in the same group as if they are similar in gameplay is simply ignorant, and I am talking about supposed gamers on these forums, not Sony's comment. I actually think it's funny (reminds me of old Sony) and I'm super hyped.
 

Azure J

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Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.

AMAZING. :lol

>Forgetting that Krillin's destructo disc cuts EVERYTHING, just that Krillin has shit aim/telegraphs the fuck out of it.

:p
 
Pikmin is shit. What now? You think I'm being sarcastic?! It's shit. They should release it on the Wii U. It fits perfectly since that's also a shit console destined to failure. It only makes sense that a failure of an IP is released on it. Krillin needs his little destructo disc. Then they can self-destruct together.

Genius. 10/10. Over-the-top perfection.
 
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