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The Wii U in a worse or better shape after the PS4 reveal?
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I think it did not impact them either way. We are going to see soon how a year plus old third party game like Diablo 3 performs on both PS4, PS3, and probably 360 and 720, and it is going to sell like hotcakes. Unlike Assassins Creed 3, or Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U. At best I think Wii U is going to get support from third party companies for the next year, but it will still only be maybe 25% of what the HD twins future console is getting.
Wii U is fucked. I cannot imagine a scenario where that console becomes compelling outside of Nintendo fans. And I am a Nintendo fan, but if I were to purchase a Wii U and games for it, they would be first party. And they would not include these lazy 2d Mario games. Not that I have a problem with 2D but Nintendo seems to not want to push it beyond Mario 2 levels of innovation.
Wii U is fucked. I cannot imagine a scenario where that console becomes compelling outside of Nintendo fans. And I am a Nintendo fan, but if I were to purchase a Wii U and games for it, they would be first party. And they would not include these lazy 2d Mario games. Not that I have a problem with 2D but Nintendo seems to not want to push it beyond Mario 2 levels of innovation.
cyberheater
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Not a down port.
redmetal86
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You were?
I think they're in the exact same shape that they've been for the past few months since the Wii U launch. When E3 rolls around, that might be an entirely different story.
CaptNfantasy
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Good. I need something thats fun.
darkistheway
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I'm thinking PS4 and Wii U is a combination that will lead to gaming heaven. So that's where I'll be going.
Wii was a different story as it lacked modern features like shaders in addition to be much weaker. Porting would be even more work.
With the Wii U having at least a similar feature set apparently many had hoped that this generation most multiplatform games will be on Wii U as well. But that' less likely now.
At least the ps4 is a reality. I wasn't overly impressed ( I have a kick ass pc ) I think Nintendo just needs to be Nintendo, while the other 2 consoles fight it out over your friends list. I know Nintendo will bring original game ideas with the game pad. Wonderful 101 by platinum etc. I always had faith in the wii u. I think they are in a better position as sony has made a move now, and I personally didn't think it was a great one, in just showing killzone etc. these are games we have played before, it doesn't challenge me into thinking " how will this game make me play differently, in ways I couldn't before " all pretty standard fair for me. Show the final fantasy game, show the nice cars. Show violence and new pretty graphics.
Infernal Monkey
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I'm sure it'll still get its fair share of down ports. The Wii saw a bunch of them, and the Vita's already had a few despite its horrific hardware sales.
whyreggielie
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I think it puts the Wii U in a somewhat better position. For me, someone who owns a PS3 and loves Sony, the event didn't have the magic that Nintendo does when they announce stuff. All but one game failed to excite me and the one I liked was a CGI clip from Capcom. KZ had great graphics but I know I won't buy it as It's not the kind of game I'm looking for, the same went for the PS3 launch. However, E3 is coming and all of that could change but right now I find no reason to spend over $400 on this console. That says a lot when they spent 2 hours on this event trying to convince us of their future console.
My wife was floored. She doesn't play games (sad, I know).
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-Where are my feet today?
-My baby just had the nastiest smelling poop!
-My cat is sleeping.
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Facebook seems to think so.
I can't say the same. The world moved while Nintendo stood still, IMO. Not saying their 1st party offerings won't be great but there's a lot more to the PS4 that caters to the gamer and the soapbox-loving average joe than what the Wii U offers. I'm quite sure the XB3 will offer high-end services aimed at the gamer and entertainment consumer, too.
I loves me some Mario like the next guy but that can't make up for Nintendo's mistakes. I hope the Wii U sells but there's just far too much shown yesterday and I'm quite sure even more to be revealed at E3 to even consider the Wii U as a better investment for a gaming machine outside of 1st party titles.
Nothing1016
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I was replying to the fact that the wii was vastly shit in the graphics department but still ended up with games. Just not with a lot of the AAA third party games. Twilight princess and wii sports sold that console on launch day. Nintendo just didn't released shit. For a while now actually.
Should pick up steam when pikmin 3 drops.
Why is it less likely now?
BrokenEchelon
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Sony's Presentation, and Microsoft's inevitable reveal will showcase just how mired in the 20th century Nintendo is when it comes to multimedia and online infrastructure.
That's the biggest blow they'll be dealt by these two systems I think.
Of course, "I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games" will forever be the response to anything the other two do, however appropriate it may or may not be.
That's the biggest blow they'll be dealt by these two systems I think.
Of course, "I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games" will forever be the response to anything the other two do, however appropriate it may or may not be.
Basically.
As that was known for god knows how long, they have their own approach.
PS4 is certainly a more robust and serious competitor to the WiiU than Vita ever was for 3DS, also after last night (EU here) Vita is the biggest collateral damage of this whole event.
The only project that seemed interesting is Watchdog and that's getting ported everywhere under the sun.
The BC situation is even worse than on WiiU(or Vita actually).
After this I have even less reasons to buy a Vita and I'm not totally happy with ps4 (I'm not hugely invested in psn, at best I have...2 ps3 games, 3 ps1 games and 2 psp games on it, bc on the other hand...).
Also another victory against DD since at least I'll be able to do something of my ps3 collection regarding the ps4 (sell them that is).
Yoshi
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Are you a copy of beaconsammy? Even the same avatar ^^.
I have serious doubts that the sony launch line up will get people to buy ps4 in droves
Games like knack, killzone, infamous looked good but i doubt it will absolutely wow people like the first HD games did with the HD consoles. I agree that better looking games will come but the technological leap does not seem to be as significant as before for the untrained eye.
So if nintendo can get their killer lineup (mario kart, mario galaxy) for the holiday season up and running i see a fairly good chance that they c an outsell ps4 this winter.
Games like knack, killzone, infamous looked good but i doubt it will absolutely wow people like the first HD games did with the HD consoles. I agree that better looking games will come but the technological leap does not seem to be as significant as before for the untrained eye.
So if nintendo can get their killer lineup (mario kart, mario galaxy) for the holiday season up and running i see a fairly good chance that they c an outsell ps4 this winter.
Zombie James
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Worse. There is literally nothing the Wii U does better than the PS4, or even comes remotely close.
Same.
Wii U support problems are not related to the tech it has inside, but to Nintendo positioning-policy-first party support.
I still (especially after the Sony PS4 meeting) that the visual gap between PS4 and PS3 will be less powerful than the one between PS2 and PS3, but that's not a plus for the Wii U if they'll not be able to:
present software able to properly communicate the Gamepad value
present constant release of software
create an environment that could attract more third party production
Wii U support problems are not related to the tech it has inside, but to Nintendo positioning-policy-first party support.
I still (especially after the Sony PS4 meeting) that the visual gap between PS4 and PS3 will be less powerful than the one between PS2 and PS3, but that's not a plus for the Wii U if they'll not be able to:
present software able to properly communicate the Gamepad value
present constant release of software
create an environment that could attract more third party production
Everything you just put about social is not what I want so I think your onto something for the average joe. I'm glad I can ignore that stuff. Facebook is dying to me. I hardly use it. If ever at all. I think the wii u will be fine, so will the ps4. Your mrs was probably floored by the pretty graphics while every other gamer I know was like "looks like it plays like killzone 3" I kid but there's truth in Jehst
Christberg
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Same. I buy Nintendo's hardware for Nintendo's games, hardware and UI. X720/PS4/PC are the what's competing with each other for my graphics whore gaming dollars.
Right now, PC still wins, but then that's mostly due to me actually being able to play games on one of those.
PS4 is probably an eventual purchase but with PS3 still firing on all cylinders and them not showing anything that couldn't be replicated gameplay wise so far on other stuff... Still a ways off.
Right now, PC still wins, but then that's mostly due to me actually being able to play games on one of those.
PS4 is probably an eventual purchase but with PS3 still firing on all cylinders and them not showing anything that couldn't be replicated gameplay wise so far on other stuff... Still a ways off.
The Wii U is going to be increasingly isolated, not only by the gulf in power between it and its peers but also on an architectural level as Sony adopts a simpler structure for the way its machine works.
I cannot imagine third party developers taking interest in the Wii U when it is so easy to ignore and its demands for workarounds are so high.
I cannot imagine third party developers taking interest in the Wii U when it is so easy to ignore and its demands for workarounds are so high.
I think it's clear that--in the early going at least--the graphical difference isn't going to be big enough to give Sony and MS a huge advantage all by itself. That's good news for Nintendo, though I'm sure they already knew that.
The actual technical specifications with the massive RAM will probably hurt their 3rd party chances even more than most were expecting, but they made their bed in that regard when they decided not to compete on tech. They will simply have to expand their own first party stuff even more.
Regardless, of all this, Nintendo has big problems, and they're going to have to solve them (or not). The system is running on fumes right now.
And I do disagree with others who say nintendo is not directly competing with the other two. Everybody selling a game system is in direct competition with each other, even the Ouya is competing in the same market. What's happening is the market is getting divided up more and more. A few gens back, a lot of these super-casual gamers who are playing on cell phones and tablets were PS2 owners. When the new generation came, PS3 and 360 were too expensive for them, but the wii wasn't and it had a cool new way to play. Now they like to play angry birds on their phones, and they've started buying the 360s since the price dropped, and there's more casual oriented software available for it with the maturity of the live marketplace and the Kinect.
And also, there is nothing about the Wii U that is particularly geared for casuals. It is nothing at all like the wii in terms of its appeal. A screen on the controller is actually a great feature for hardcore gamers.. Virtual buttons, touch, more interface possibilities.
The actual technical specifications with the massive RAM will probably hurt their 3rd party chances even more than most were expecting, but they made their bed in that regard when they decided not to compete on tech. They will simply have to expand their own first party stuff even more.
Regardless, of all this, Nintendo has big problems, and they're going to have to solve them (or not). The system is running on fumes right now.
And I do disagree with others who say nintendo is not directly competing with the other two. Everybody selling a game system is in direct competition with each other, even the Ouya is competing in the same market. What's happening is the market is getting divided up more and more. A few gens back, a lot of these super-casual gamers who are playing on cell phones and tablets were PS2 owners. When the new generation came, PS3 and 360 were too expensive for them, but the wii wasn't and it had a cool new way to play. Now they like to play angry birds on their phones, and they've started buying the 360s since the price dropped, and there's more casual oriented software available for it with the maturity of the live marketplace and the Kinect.
And also, there is nothing about the Wii U that is particularly geared for casuals. It is nothing at all like the wii in terms of its appeal. A screen on the controller is actually a great feature for hardcore gamers.. Virtual buttons, touch, more interface possibilities.
The PS4 event didn't show anything threatening Nintendo's main source of success, kids (and their Nintendo fan dads).
Windwaker, one of the best looking game of all time, EAD next Mario and Mario Kart will likely find a massive audience, quite younger than the PS4 one.
Windwaker, one of the best looking game of all time, EAD next Mario and Mario Kart will likely find a massive audience, quite younger than the PS4 one.
cyberheater
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I take it you've not seen any of the PS4 demo footage then.
Synth_floyd
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Same to worse. I mean Nintendo was in a shitty position to begin with. Why weren't people buying the Wii U? Because they want a "true" next gen console? Because they didn't like the games? If it's the former then now they have a reason to not buy it. If it's because of the latter then I guess it doesn't change anything. But with the Xbox and PS4 reveals the Wii U might end up getting Dreamcast'ed.
Yoshi
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JRPGs? PS4 has Final Fantasy, Wii U has X, what else is there even announced as far as JRPGs go?
Neither, the Wii U's problems is the same as that of its predecessors: lack of third party software
How many polygons the PS4 is pushing does not really mean much, back in N64 and GameCube days the Nintendo console was slightly more powerful than the Sony one, and they still got little to no support. Despite games like Resident Evil 2 on the Nintendo 64 showing that it could be done.
Right now, it does not look like the Wii U will be getting much support (again), and i hope that changes.
How many polygons the PS4 is pushing does not really mean much, back in N64 and GameCube days the Nintendo console was slightly more powerful than the Sony one, and they still got little to no support. Despite games like Resident Evil 2 on the Nintendo 64 showing that it could be done.
Right now, it does not look like the Wii U will be getting much support (again), and i hope that changes.
I watched it. This is impressive, but it does not have the wow factor of previous generational jumps. Diminishing returns have arrived.
And there are enough people on the board who agree with me to show the perception is real, and the perception is all that matters. Whether factually these games are pushing 5x more than what the other consoles could push, it doesn't show up on screen in the same eye-popping way.
Right now nothing's changed IMO.
But I found theSony "reveal", well not disappointing, but underwhelming. And looking at how Nintendo seems to be on a counter strategy by releasing actual games/demos/announcements whenever the other two have media events, I am pretty optimistic that they can stay relevant through the whole NextGen launch hooray.
Crunch time will come with the holidays and right now my gut feeling resulting from yesterday's Sony event tells me that at least PS4 is not going to come out of the gates blowing everything away by miles, but will face a similar situation as Wii U has during launch window.
But I found theSony "reveal", well not disappointing, but underwhelming. And looking at how Nintendo seems to be on a counter strategy by releasing actual games/demos/announcements whenever the other two have media events, I am pretty optimistic that they can stay relevant through the whole NextGen launch hooray.
Crunch time will come with the holidays and right now my gut feeling resulting from yesterday's Sony event tells me that at least PS4 is not going to come out of the gates blowing everything away by miles, but will face a similar situation as Wii U has during launch window.
"God's Beard!"
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I suspect that the key factor may turn out to be the fact that the Wii U will be significantly better at playing Nintendo games.
It plays Nintendo games a million times better than the PS4..
Zombie James
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Ahh, this sounds like the "Xbox 1.5" arguments of early 2005. History repeats itself.
Bjoern the Smexy
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Wii U is in no worse shape after the reveal. Which wasn't really a reveal but more of an announcement, game trailers and showing off a controller and features. But I digress.
Wii U is still in the same boat. It's still a competitor to all currently existing consoles as well as PS4 and Xbox720.
Will its boat swim? Probably.
Will it sink? Maybe.
The same can be said about the PS4.
Both systems have pros and cons to them.
PS4 has better graphics, more RAM, and all that.
Wii U will probably have the price as its biggest advantage as well as more 1st party exclusives. Maybe even more exclusives overall, who knows.
Still, it's almost a year until PS4 gets released, maybe even longer for PAL territories. We will see how Wii U will hold up.
Wii U is still in the same boat. It's still a competitor to all currently existing consoles as well as PS4 and Xbox720.
Will its boat swim? Probably.
Will it sink? Maybe.
The same can be said about the PS4.
Both systems have pros and cons to them.
PS4 has better graphics, more RAM, and all that.
Wii U will probably have the price as its biggest advantage as well as more 1st party exclusives. Maybe even more exclusives overall, who knows.
Still, it's almost a year until PS4 gets released, maybe even longer for PAL territories. We will see how Wii U will hold up.
Alias Greed
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I apologize but I'm going to call bullshit in this statement. Until Wii Nintendo was always the most powerful console. This is just a defense Nintendo fans came up with to justify their purchase.
Cause Microsoft and Sony don't have great first party games oh wait.
I still have hope for Wii U, I'm hoping it becomes the bastion of jrpg's for the next 5 years.
RobbieNick
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If I'm gonna own 2 consoles in the next generation, it's gonna be a WiiU and either a XBoxNext or a PS4. Why? Because at least the WiiU will have a different library of games. If there's anything this current gen taught me, it's that 360 and PS3 are basically the same fucking system with the same exact games outside of a few exclusive IP's.
That's only if you ignore ALL of Nintendo's portable systems which were always weaker in tech than the competition, but always outsold them.
That's only if you ignore ALL of Nintendo's portable systems which were always weaker in tech than the competition, but always outsold them.
I think Wii U is sure to outsell PS4 in their lifetime.
Sony should have brought something unique to the table you can't find anywhere else. They didn't deliver.
The Wii U has a touchscreen gamepad which offers gameplay experiences you cant find anywhere else right out of the box, and it's less expensive hardware, plus 1st party games. These are reasons I believe Wii U will dominate sales wise.
If Microsoft doesn't bring anything new to the table, Nintendo can breathe a sigh of relief.
Sony should have brought something unique to the table you can't find anywhere else. They didn't deliver.
The Wii U has a touchscreen gamepad which offers gameplay experiences you cant find anywhere else right out of the box, and it's less expensive hardware, plus 1st party games. These are reasons I believe Wii U will dominate sales wise.
If Microsoft doesn't bring anything new to the table, Nintendo can breathe a sigh of relief.
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You pick the ugliest game possible. Everybody was making fun of wall-guy. I was here, and I remember.
I also remember Oblivion, and other launch window 360 games looking fucking amazing, blowing the last gen out of the water.
This is a slightly different situation. Diminishing returns. For real this time.
You pick the ugliest game possible. Everybody was making fun of wall-guy. I was here, and I remember.
I also remember Oblivion, and other launch window 360 games looking fucking amazing, blowing the last gen out of the water.
This is a slightly different situation. Diminishing returns. For real this time.
cyberheater
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There is nothing in WiiU that comes remotely close to what was shown on PS4. There is a huge difference leap between the two.
Bigmac1910
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Much much worse, they just don't have the 3rd party support, and as the next generation will move on it will be even less. This might not matter to people who love the Nintendo franchises, but for people who don't care that much about it, there won't be any compelling reason to pick up the Wii U.
Its pretty evident that no one bought the console because of games. Not because of that true next gen crap.
No one will pass over the next zelda, mario kart, or smash. That's a fact. Hell, i am buying one when pikmin 3 drops so i can jump in monster hunter 3 and new mario bros also. Maybe zombieu pending reviews.
But Dreamcasted? Lol
Just like last gen, ps4 and xbox 720 is going to cancel each other out and the U is gonna catch a market once the games start flowing in. Ever thought about that? Apart from first party exclusives and a very small fraction of exclusive third party content for either console. The two consoles was essentially the same until they realise nintendo was on to something, hence the kinect and move.