So, lets say I buy a lamp day one, and every bulb I put in the lamp doesn't work. I deserve that? No one should buy that lamp day one? Lets just say they make other products. They wont make lamps anymore. Even if every lamp they made before this was great. Because this one model has an issue, and no one bought it day one, they lamp devision of the company doesnt make money, and could possibly be fired.
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Sim City is now down, the maintenance message is amazing
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I should be getting my game tomorrow... I just hope EA doesn't fuck up my weekend.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
This is not the future of gaming I foresaw. 
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Don't count on it - we can't have journalists be called out for their bullshit, now can we?
You don't say, boxart?
I'm baffled at how freshly-released games get stuff like that - how do you award unreleased games?
I assume most of them come from last years E3 when the game was shown. This game had tons of positive buzz coming out of that. It's probably a bunch of rewards from that?
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
E3 awards? I don't know.
callhitman
Member
Someone want to sent me an invite. looking for fellow neogaf players. My simcity name is tj662
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I really hate this "that's the way it is" mantra some posters here have. "Sadly this is the future of gaming" my ass. You don't have to be passive about this.
Oh right, those "awards".
See, even if you hate Oscars and such at least they tend to award movies that have already come out!
Oh right, those "awards".
See, even if you hate Oscars and such at least they tend to award movies that have already come out!
You don't deserve that, but everyone should also be 100% entitled to an immediate refund which is effectively the same as no one buying it.
If the lamp division goes under after one faulty product then may I suggest they were on their way out anyway*. That's capitalism folks.
It feels like bizzarro world round here sometimes, the companies who should be thinking long term are incapable of anything but short term thinking and the bloody consumers who actually should be thinking short term are trying to take the long view to support companies who are actively screwing them out of their money 0_o
* Also, if a lamp that took no bulbs got through their product development process they deserve to make no money/become defunct.
Well, if a lamp I buy doesn't work with any bulb and I did everything right on my end by making sure it had the right type of bulb and that it was plugged in, then I hate to say it, but it's a defective lamp. I'm not going to buy a lamp from a company who only makes defective lamps. Instead, I will return it and get my money back to buy a different, working lamp. If they make lamps that I can't use, then why should I buy their lamps in the first place?
I am a big fan of SimCity, but I didn't buy this game because I knew from the whole Spore incident and Diablo III incident and the Assassin's Creed II incident that a game with always online DRM is a defective game that I will just demand my money back when the servers dies in the first week.
I don't even dislike DRM all that much, as I do use Steam regularly. I just ask for my games not to have shitty DRM like always online DRM.
Kageshinzo
Member
I think the consumers who bought this game knowing full well that A) it requires always-online connection to play, even on the single-player mode and B) already knew what they're going into from the whole D3 debacle before it and yet still bought the game should really just bend over and take all the mocking and ridicule from other gamers who are anti-always online in silence. I mean, really, they're already fucked over by the publisher. What's a little more ass-fucking?
Probably tried and realized the normal print screen button does nothing but take photos of your background desktop. I had to google online to find out that its the C button.
Azure Dream
Member
Reminds me how some of the launch copies of Paper Mario: TTYD were randomly labeled "Best Seller". Launch copies.
Not that the game didn't deserve it, but still.
SolsticeZero
Banned
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
They got it but, a little late imo.
Last panel is missing an option for paying with real world moneys.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I'm thinking you shouldn't charge £15 more than the average PC game if you can't even get your servers working throughout the week of release.
Did we step back into 2005 and I didn't notice?
No, they know what they're doing, it's brilliant. Let one core deal with all the simulation nonsense, so you can use the other cores to do all the important stuff like processing friend invites, achievements, and DLC notifications.
BolognaSoup
Member
My heart aches.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Yep. Simcity 2013 runs the entire simulation on one core no matter how many cores your PC has. This, the small city sizes, and the always online DRM, are the three reasons why I didn't buy the game. It's utterly ridiculous for a data intensive game in the year 2013 to only run on one core exclusively. Totally shortsighted and stupid design decision on the part of Maxis.
My gaming dollars are my votes for the games I like, respect, and support. I just wouldn't be able to respect myself if I had bought the new Simcity game with the way they designed it, even though I own every other Simcity game, I love the franchise, and I still play Simcity 4 to this very day, but come on. Now, in retrospect with how the launch has gone, I'm damn happy I listened to my gut feeling. I never thought it would be THIS bad a launch, I mean Holy Hell.
If they ever add an offline mode and support for larger cities (which I'm sure would only happen if they go multi-core) then I'll happily buy their game. I WANT to buy that game, Hell I'd gladly pay $100 for it. Hopefully they release it someday...
majortom1981
Member
Where does it say this. I looked at oceans twitter and simcities twitter and no mention of this one care deal.
SteveWinwood
Member
SirButterstick
Banned
This game is starting to piss me off. I was only able to play for an hour last night.
Neuromancer
Member
Don't be such a ass.
The last SimCity game came out 10 years ago. If we did what you said and didn't buy this one, odds are we'd probably never get another one. How does that benefit us in any way?
SirButterstick
Banned
I keep getting the 'SimCity servers are down . . . ' message popping up in the top left, over and over. Is anyone else having the same problem?
I haven't been able to play online at all . . . .
I haven't been able to play online at all . . . .
SteveWinwood
Member
I guess we could be glad that SimCity 4 is a top seller on steam and SimCity 2000 on gog.
Maybe they'll get the message?
Oh wait EA.
SolsticeZero
Banned
But if people DO buy this game, they're saying that they're OK with these always online anti-consumer practices. It's a double edged sword. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain". You risk losing your favorite franchise forever, or you risk it being run into the ground and only a shadow of what it used to be.
So you are saying, we are fucked no matter what we do? That kinda sucks.
I'm not sure I want another one if it pulls off the same stuff as this one.
Neuromancer
Member
I agree, it definitely is a double edged sword. And that's my point, it's more complicated than the 'I told you so, you guys deserve this etc' comments would make out.
Yep that's exactly what I'm saying. And it does suck.
If the choice is a fucked SimCity, or no SimCity, I will go with the fucked SimCity. It's not like anyone else is making anything comparable. But, that's just me, I can see how this game will end up being a deal breaker for many people.
SirButterstick
Banned
Is this one of the worst launches in history? I'm going to have a heart attack over here.
SolsticeZero
Banned
I would rather go with the no Sim City. I would be an old grizzled man, telling my children that in MY day we had fun making cities and blowing them up with alien attacks and earthquakes.
It definitely is up there. I think some MMOs have had worse launches, but this is on a whole new level for a single-player game
That's talking about the client. Isn't the game supposed to run a part of the sim on the servers?
Sounds legit.
Just the inter-city region stuff as far as I can tell. City simulation works fine offline. The region stuff barely works when online
TheGreyHulk
Member
dude.. The game is single threaded.. The only thing the servers are there for are to keep your cities connected and up to date with region data and global data. The actual game code itself is all client side and obviously, it ain't super demanding since they didn't even bother with making use of multiple cores for simulations.
So the game isn't multi-threaded focused, I can understand that given that most PC's have dual core cpus on the intel side of things.
If you want a fucked SimCity, there's always Cities XL.
I see, thanks for the answer.
TheGreyHulk
Member
its multicore, but not for simulations. Its obviously built around the laptop community who typically have dual cores. 1 core for simulation and the other for audio/friends shit. I wish they'd take advantage of anything greater than 2 cores
Mr. Luchador
Member
Today is EU Launch day. So it's going to be another day of troubles (at least).
Interrobang
Member
The lack of EA logos is disturbing.
That's what they're counting on and that's a big chunk of the problem. If you're so desperate for a Sim City game why not play one of the good ones? One of the ones that made you fall in love with the series? 2000 is still available digitally (the best one, imo), as is 4.
If they're targeting the lowest common denominator with a shitty product like this, don't you think that denominator is well I rather play this than nothing?
Neuromancer
Member
I actually do like this game, when the servers are up. Also I loved SC3KU but that games 13 years old, and 4 is 10 years old. I can still play them but that doesn't mean I don't want something new too.
Lamps are not entertainment products though. You need light, warmth, food etc to live, but do you need another videogame? I understand the situation's crap, but it's not like you don't have anything else to do.
Interrobang
Member
It has less features, it's more constrictive (city-size wise and saving your game wise) and it has the worst possible connection issues at the moment. Not arguing your opinion, you're obviously allowed to like whatever you want, but it just seems to me some people are being blinded by the "newness" of the game. When this game is old news I'm sure you'll like one of the other titles better.
Neuromancer
Member
Perhaps.
Kageshinzo
Member
See, it's selfish people like you that enable these companies to make shitty, anti-consumer decisions such as always-online DRM. You all are so short-sighted you'll compromise with anything as long as you get your fix. Doesn't matter if it's bad for the industry.
I love the Civ series. Played it since the beginning. But if Sid Meier, Firaxis and 2K Games will decide to implement an always-online requirement to it, I'm not going to fucking support the game anymore until they patch an offline mode. I don't give a shit if it's the next coming of strategy games. It's a matter of principle and if always-online DRM becomes the norm, at least I can say I fought it tooth and nail. If something has to be sacrificed to make a point, then so be it. It's for a worthwhile cause.
But I don't think you understand that, do you? No, just as long as you get your next shiny installment of your game, anti-consumer practices be damned.