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Sim City is now down, the maintenance message is amazing

TheExodu5

Banned
Self interest can take the form of long term thinking too though. Consumers have some say in shaping what the future gaming landscape is like. At least I would like to think that.

And that's fine. The market will respond accordingly. In the case of Sim City, it's certainly taking it's toll (see: Amazon reviews).
 
Well, it's the weekend boys and girls.

EA staff is going home and more and more people will be trying to play the game since they have free time.

Expect things to get worse

Imagine how much money EA would have saved on server maintenance fees and overtime pay if they just went offline online.

Trust me, they're not taking the weekend off.

Crunch time at a place like EA means working over the weekend, and long hours during the week as well.

Allowing this problem to fester or get worse over the next 3 days would bring this nightmare to catastrophic levels, with serious repercussions for EA's financials. Well, more so.
 

Burt

Member
People keep blaming EA but isn't it up to maxis? Someone has to put their foot down sooner or later.

If there's one thing we've seen in EA's publisher/developer relationships, it's that EA calls the shots. Evidence being every single studio that's had its quality decline or ended with closure after an EA buy-out.
 

Nokterian

Member
The whole Tropico franchise is 75% off on Steam. Tropico 4 with all DLC is 10 euro's. El Presidente can build offline. Kalypso taking that advantage over EA. Sublime move though!
 

SamVT

Member
I mean they must have the architecture ready, so it should just be a case of scaling servers up as more users join. Why on earth it is this difficult I don't know, unless they miscalculated something somewhere.

I think it's the login server that's the problem here, once you're in you're pretty much in. Connection gets lost from time to time but it tries to reconnect. But connecting to the server (login) is soooooo slow. They need to scale that up, too many people trying to get through too small a door at the same time.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Fundamentally, SimCity has always been a 'software toy'. That means that there's no real end state, no way to win. It's just a thing that you play and experiment with. You build, and tinker, and mess around. It's a toy, not a game; it's a sandbox, not baseball.

So, in this iteration of the game, you don't even get to buy your toy. Rather, you rent a toy from EA, who lets you play with it only in very limited, circumscribed ways, only on their servers. So you have to have a live Internet connection at all times, and their servers have to be up, and have to have space for you. And the rules for play are draconian. If you want to, say, build a city, save it, blow it up with something terrible, and then restore from save, you can't do that anymore. That's an unauthorized usage of their toy. And if you figure out ways of using their toy that they don't like, they'll ban you forever.

All third-party modding is shut out. One of the best parts of SimCity 4 and The Sims is that users can create and share content among themselves for free. You will no longer be able to do this. You will be required to run only Official Authorized Content.

Further, you're not getting the whole game for your $60 or $80, depending on what version you're buying. EA's plan is to sell you Simcity 5 over and over and over. They've directly admitted that they already have it running with larger cities, but they're not releasing that now. They claim it's because it "won't run on Dad's PC", but the real reason is so they can sell it to you again later. Want subways? That's gonna be $20. Want railroads? Another $20. Bigger cities? Oh, that's in the $30 expansion.

Right now, if you look at The Sims 3, the game costs $30. But if also you buy all the DLC for it, it's *four hundred and seventy dollars*. This is what they are doing with SimCity 5; locking you into their server infrastructure, and then exploiting the heck out of your wallet.

This is a lousy deal, and you would be stupid to take it. Always-on DRM, and a deliberately crippled game, so that they can slowly uncripple it, charging you for every restored feature from prior versions.

Simcity 4 still works pretty well. It's not quite as nice as most current games, and can require you to 'pin' the process to just one processor on a multi-core system (ie, most current machines), but if you want a city builder where you won't have to pay extra to breathe both in AND out, that would be a better option.

But buying this game? In my opinion, you would be wiser to take three twenties out of your wallet, and light them on fire.

That's a pretty spot on little Amazon review actually. Sums up pretty much how I feel about the new game and the franchise.
 
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Wow... sure its Metacritic user reviews but I don't think I've ever seen the "Overwhelming dislike" qualifier before.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
Chris Kluwe (a.k.a. Chris Warcraft) posted an article about this for Game Informer. Sorry if it's old.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/03/08/test-headline.aspx

oh man this part right here

So I say to EA, and any other publisher thinking like EA – stop with the "always-on" bull----. Yes, you're going to lose some sales to piracy, and yes, it sucks. The solution isn't to f--- over the people who actually want to play the game. The solution isn't to treat the customer like a prisoner you're graciously offering the opportunity to lease your game.
THANK YOU

OH MY GOD
 

Cramoss

Member
I'm glad this shit is happening (sucks for the people who bought it, i know) because it's making some people finally realize the kind of bullshit always-online drm is. And this case is worse 'cause the whole game is based around it.

oh man this part right here


THANK YOU

OH MY GOD

Exactly.
 

mxgt

Banned
This is my new biggest case of buyers remorse, taking over from Brink

Maybe when I can actually play the game my opinion will change.

WHY DIDN'T I LEARN FROM DIABLO 3. My love for SimCity clouded my judgement. Fuck EA and fuck always online DRM. NEVER AGAIN.
 
For all the comparisons that people have been making regarding Origin and Steam as some sort of defense, the one thing that EA hasn't learned from Steam is Gabe's philosophy on piracy.
 

whitehawk

Banned
Stolen from tsilon GAF:

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So good. For context for those who don't know about Tsilon, it's a Canadian website where members complete challenges in games that earns them XP. The more the XP, the higher the level. The higher the level, the better gaming deals. I've gotten a free games, $70 off my 3DS etc.

Today's challenge is amazing.

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i-Lo

Member
People keep on buying and then they bitch... but they keep buying nonetheless.

I also find it surprising that this industry is devoid of laws to protect paying customers from being blatant dishonesty, breach of promise and what seemingly feels like fraudulent behaviour.
 

Retro

Member
That's a pretty spot on little Amazon review actually. Sums up pretty much how I feel about the new game and the franchise.

Gotta say, that's pretty spot on, especially their comments about the Sims 3. I picked it up at launch and was almost immediately frustrated by the gaping holes in the content. I ended up picking up a bunch of the expansions last year when Best Buy was running a buy-one-get-one-free deal on them and they were already heavily discounted. It was shocking to see all of the content, some of it that used to be part of the Core Game, slowly being added in with each install.

EA has raped everything Maxis once stood for. I know that's a particularly loaded word here on GAF and that there's a lot of uncomfortable discussion that tends to float around it whenever it is used, but that's exactly what it is. EA forcibly violated everything Maxis was.
 

PaulLFC

Member
I don't own this yet (and won't until the problems are fixed) so I'm not sure how widespread this issue is, but does the game often fail to sync cities when it loses connection?

This was an excerpt from NowGamer's "review in progress":

This is what the latest SimCity does really well. There's a natural progression to each city and though you may set out with different goals or your decisions may differ, that drive to improve various aspects of your city always remains important.

For us it was the desire to expand our 'downtown' area, and that meant clearing up some of the pollution.

For you it might be the wish to see more tourists enter your town, or a perfect transportation system to cut down on traffic. This gradual evolution of our city was rewarded by our first set of tower blocks.

That success was short-lived.

After upgrading one of our utilities the screen went black. We'd assumed it had crashed until we were kicked back to the main menu.

"Unable to load the city at this time. Please try again."


Oh piss off EA.

Repeat attempts and still no luck. Well, we're certainly not starting again...

In the time that it took to write this review update for SimCity we've since been able to reconnect to the game and 'load' our city.

The point still stands. We were happy until EA's servers ruined it.

UPDATE: Having booting up our city once more, all those extra details we added before - since the Community College, in fact - has not been synced since we were kicked from the server.

In other words, a lot of progress on our city was lost. Sigh.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
CNET has an article about this. There is a statement from EA that is almost laughable and NeoGaf gets a nod for being an outlet for grumpy gamers, haha.

http://http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57573053-1/simcity-launch-a-complete-disaster/
It's frankly absurd that SimCity -- with its previous titles that you could always play offline -- now requires an Internet connection to play and stay in the game, even in single-player mode. However, that's the world we live in these days and it doesn't seem likely to change.

Bullshit. I hate the "that's how the cookie crumbles" reasoning.
 

Beren

Member
Guys now that you mention Tropico 4 with all the DLC in Steam, i am looking at it. Is it a good game? sorry if offtopic :3 , but i wanna play a city builder game from long time ago and couldn't find any good one, also 10 bucks seems pretty cheap :3 .
 

Acorn

Member
Guys now that you mentioned Tropico 4 with all the DLC in Steam, i am looking at it. Is it a good game? sorry if offtopic :3 , but i wanna play a city builder game from long time ago and couldn't find any good one, also 10 bucks seems pretty cheap :3 .

Yes, I love it. Its a more micro than simcitys largely macro management. That isn't a bad thing though. The actual simulation is a lot less complex I suppose.
 
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