A negative of course is that consumers will probably get less for their games because retailers would want to keep their margins the same.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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A negative of course is that consumers will probably get less for their games because retailers would want to keep their margins the same.
Yeah but that's for digital content (XBLA and digitally purchased games). It's also laying the groundwork to being applicable towards physically media as well, which it why I find it hilariously sad that people even consider giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt. But I want the ways I can utilize my physical media to either stay the same or improve, not devolve into some a modified brick and mortar game that severely limits current freedoms.
It might as well be him but we dont know.
You tend to give him credit where you like but yet dont call BS where he's contradictory (see his Xbox will run used games vs Kotaku saying it wont). It's really tiring and expected from you, pick and choose whatever floats your boat (agenda).
So I have a "agenda", huh?
Ok I think both of them are BS. What am I now?
Get some sleep bro, you're reading way too much into this
You dont? Thanks for the laugh bro.
We already have online passes, which are basically pre-owned activation codes anyway.
Unknown One
Member
There is nothing that says Sony or Microsoft is going to do that yet. So far it's up to the publisher. It's proven that current generation console can do that with certain publishers making their game online only.
Not all games have online passes, so I don't think all publishers will do that.
Not all games have online passes, so I don't think all publishers will do that.
I have as much of an agenda as you if you believe that.
Do you see me believing a random poster claiming dual APUs for PS4? So, no.
Should I join the vocal minority saying the specs won't change at all then?
So you are telling me it is either "specs wont change at all" or "Durango will have a dual APU"?
And that's just not it, some other things that you've been cheerleading like; GDDR5 memory, beefier CPU, beefier GPU etc. etc.
ChosenPredator
Banned
man i can't wait until these specs are announced so people can stop trouncing on each other, lol.
That's funny. You sure are good at putting words in my mouth. What other rumor will I back?
Should I stop being optimistic & positive about Durango in a Durango thread?
I'm not putting anything in your mouth. You saying GDDR5 can happen is widely known, you backing bgassassin's post for CPU tweak is also widely known.
Here you are saying GPU will also likely get tweaked;
Besides that you were recently pointing to that dual-APU post from the banned post in B3D in this very thread.
So which part exactly did I put into your mouth? There is big difference between being optimistic and being wildly optimistic.
Officerrob
Banned
The hardcore will be there at the next Xbox unveil to see what they have to show, and they are the only ones with their panties in a twist at the moment
Indeed, good news that PS4 is so strong as well, will be my platform of choice next gen for sure
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I have been looking at the timeline of these leaks and I think what happened is superDaE (or friends in the US) hacked and obtained the docs for Durango around mid 2012.
On Jan 15 2013 VGleaks tweeted this:
So I'm thinking they swapped docs. superDaE gets PS4 docs and VGleaks get Durango docs. Seems fair!
Then on Jan 23 2013 Kotaku ran the story of receiving 90 PDFs from superDaE on PS4.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I see yet another poster has been struck with the 'apparent lack of critical thinking' bug. Sure is contagious in these threads.
Also consider what VGLeaks posted recently .. details on Durango CPU and later saying that their info was in fact from 2013.
I'm not overreacting, it's really getting tiring. And he's been called out multiple times by different people as well.
I think, you are way too overreacting. If he wants to be optimistic, let him be optimistic. What's wrong with that?
I don't know, if you are forgetting, that we currently have no clues about any of the "Durango" specs. These are all stupid rumours. There is literally nothing, that we can do about this situation, besides making assumptions.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Yep, good call.
Kasumi1970
my name is Ted
why not the PS4 also?
Version 3.0
Member
That's an extremely short-sighted view. Sure, games that are fairly new are only slightly cheaper used, but both new and used retail games drop dramatically over time. A 5-year-old game may cost a fraction of its original price.
How much cheaper are XBLA / PSN games now than they were 5 years ago?
Also, the relatively high price of recent used games is indicative of a higher resale value.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I said usually and I've still seen a lot of older used games that are priced only slightly cheaper than a factory sealed copy of the same title. This might depend on the game and where you buy it too.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I still think DaE gets Durango docs,or VGleaks gave DaE their Durango docs and he get Dourango docs by himself at the same time,then found out there are some different part,so he said VGleaks Durango info was old(i know VGleaks said their info from 2013,so i guess one of them is lying)
Maybe VGleaks get PS4 docs,but little old about RAM part
https://twitter.com/superDaE/status/299252615823364096
https://twitter.com/superDaE/status/301913051907637249
Again edge or DaE,one of them will be wrong(but maybe not "lying" this time since something like ban used games and required online are easy to change,MS can even change it at few hours before they announce 720)
The dev kit he was trying to sell wasn't in the same continent as him, let alone country. He was fronting the sale from Australia while the supposed dev kit was in the US. He finally admitted in the recent Kotuka peice that he'd never actually used one. And the all his info about the next gen consoles were old developer document stolen from Epic.
He was full of shit, albeit with access to actual documentation and access to the Durango dev site within MS.
Same here. The constant back and forth bickering about specs to a console that hasn't even been officially confirmed yet is mind-blowing to me.
On top of that, the people who are already making conclusions before the system is even revealed are going to feel really stupid if the confirmed specs are different from the various rumors.
Overall, it's the standard habit of people on gaming forums before new consoles are revealed but I'm older now and am just tired of it (lol).
travisbickle
Member
Just imagine a GDC before there are official specs for the 720!!
It would be glorious. The schrodinger's console both the best and worst thing to happen to gaming...according to different GAFer's developer friends who are there.
Miles Quaritch
Member
What makes either of you think it will end when the specifications are announced. We're currently seeing a prelude to the main event.
Specs will be announced, more fighting about what either can and can't do. Games will be revealed, more arguing about one console holding the other back and so on. Features will be revealed, more arguing about how pointless features are, etc, etc, etc.
ii Stryker
Banned
This gen I skipped PS3 because I preferred co-op gaming and the 360 offered more opportunities for those types of games. The playing field for next gen is looking to be much more even in those regards and it may be the power that tips the scales
Which ever console wins over developers as the lead for development is more than likely going to win my money.
When it comes to first party games, right now its a wash.
Which ever console wins over developers as the lead for development is more than likely going to win my money.
When it comes to first party games, right now its a wash.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I don't think anyone here felt its all confirmed. Just they made a conclusion based the rumours what we have so far. Nothing wrong with it because they know it could be change at the end. It can be annoy or emotional to the fan base but try your best to keep yourself in control.
BruiserBear
Banned
"Making conclusions", or discussing the specs as they are believed to be?
Every page or two someone posts a statement about how we're all getting ahead of ourselves, etc. I then inform said person that a guy who writes on this topic for a living, Richard Ledbetter from the Digital Foundry, has stated he believes the rumored specs are accurate and will be the same, or very nearly the same as the final product. He stated he believes them because his own personal sources in the development community have confirmed the spec leaks we've seen time and time again are accurate.
So to sum things up, we have good reason to believe these specs are real. We are not speculating on things that some random people think might be true.
BruiserBear
Banned
It will almost certainly carry over. Xbox Live on PC and Xbox Live on the 360 always shared the same account. I can't think of a single reason they wouldn't carry over your account to the new console.
ii Stryker
Banned
I'm more concerned about MS subsidizing the Durango.
My subscription to live runs out in July and I may not renew if they subsidize Durango's purchase price with a LIVE subscription contract.
Of course I may forego Durango altogether and just get a PS4 for my next gen needs.
only time will tell
BruiserBear
Banned
The always online thing is still unknown. The specs are believed to be true, and at this point pretty much every spec detail has been revealed.
If they offer a subsidized option for the new Xbox it will be just that, an option. They will certainly sell the console the old fashioned way too.
True I suppose. It would be very stupid of them to charge you twice.
I too would like to know this
Oh yeah, of course.
But at least the fighting will make more sense since people will actually know a whole lot of information about the systems.
That's nice. I just simply prefer to wait for official confirmations.
That's not to say that I'm not I'm not interested in possible rumors -- I am. But to use them in such a great capacity to the point in which I am telling people what they should buy before the consoles are already out? Nope... not for me.
Each and every gen there's rumors from "a credible person/source" that turn out to not be true for whatever reason(s). I use to get caught up in it but now when I look back at previous gens I just realized the various things that were changed and/or things that didn't end up being true.
If you are different then that's fine but I'm simply not going to get riled up over things until I know that they are 100% true.
That's great, and you are entitled to do that, but others here do place their trust in reputable sources and do wish to discuss the rumors and their implications. Having someone continually repeat that such behavior is "mind-blowing" is glib and irritating.
NemesisPrime
Banned
It carried over between xbox 1 and 360 so ofc it will carry over to Durango.
I'm not saying it's mind blowing that some people do want to discuss rumors. I myself have discussed rumors.
I said though/meant that it's mind blowing that people are already having console wars over consoles that haven't even been released (or reveled) yet. That's all.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'm hoping for a new branding because that will mean dirt cheap Xbox Live subscriptions.
I still fondly remember buying 5 years worth of Gold for £25 from PC World when the 360 released.