forgeforsaken
Member
Also, let me just say for cosplay at PAX East ,LoL outnumbered Dota by like 20 to 1. In fact LoL cosplay pretty much dwarfed pretty much any other cosplay though Borderlands seemed to have a good turn out.
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Dispute over whether DotA2 has passed LoL in the west; LoL 500k concurrent US+EU
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It means exactly what it says, you can't go on Steam and just download the game right now.
Well, that changes everything.
SteveWinwood
Member
Yeah we get it. Bring it up the mods if it offends you so much. Bitching about it here does nothing but fill space.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
You can
You just have to pay money
Which is why I assume Valve is in no rush to "officially" release the game. People snap that shit up during steam sales
Game was supposed to have shipped ages ago. What are they doing now that League of Legends isn't in its official released state?
Dota has ~3 Million unique players (There is a counter on their site for unique players this month, though a chunk is likely people with multiple accounts), and concurrent has peaked at 300k. Its big, but LoL is still the bigger game at the moment.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
It's a free to play game with pay to play "beta" access
That's probably going to continue to be that way for a good long while
Beta access being 30 dollars is pretty criminal with how abundant invites are lol
forgeforsaken
Member
And that puts the Dota2 total player base at 2 million less than the reported concurrent peak player base of LoL. Which is why this report is so hard to believe, as Riot just reported the 5 million concurrent last month.
Final nail in the coffin for Dota 2 guys.
I'll give you something tho, LoL is designed to pander to younger, anime-liking audiences and does a terrific job of it, my younger sister was never really much of a gamer and she plays just because of the fandom stuff (and because since she's a gamer girl she gets a lot of attention for no effort at all)
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
I'm guessing the main thing that's stopping them from releasing officially is that they were maybe waiting to have all the heroes implemented. Either way I have a hard time believing they make much money off of early access codes due to everyone on my friends list having about 10 spare passes, for the same reason I don't expect numbers to sky-rocket on release.
Beta Access is $.02. The $30 is for a more publicized pack of Cosmetic Items that includes a key.
http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/753/Dota 2
http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/753/Dota 2
Thats basically a item charge you can buy it from the steam marketplace for 2p
http://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/753/Dota%202
EDIT: Drkirby - BEATEN!
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
You'd be surprised
When they were on steam sale they were one of the top sellers during the holidays. and even when they weren't they were pretty popular
the only people that have invites really are people who already have access.
and league sells heroes. I don't see why they don't think a f2p game would work with free content updates like heroes. If anything that would support player retention over a longer period of time.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
It is mostly cosmetics.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
sucks marketplace stuff doesn't show up on the store page.
I didn't know that so I can only imagine how many people who don't already have access to invites don't know
JakkuFurosu
Member
hey, theres a kikass tutorial with dragonknight pwning creeps and Razer!
lol but they are slowly getting a real full tutorial in place.
theres recommended items, videos etc all available ingame
That is actually not true at all. They added the first part of the tutorial not too long ago and you now have guides in game.
I also think that people are making to much of a big deal on how complex this game is. On a basic level it's very easy to grasp and way easier to learn than for example Starcraft 2.
I find this kinda weird since I remember playing Dota 10 years ago, it's one of the oldest multiplayer games around. It was always very popular in Eastern Europe/China/Brazil, guess it was more of a niche game in the US.
I really think they just want to improve the servers first. They are running into Stability issues as the game grows. I don't think they are specifically waiting on anther milestone, other then increaseing server capcity. I know European Servers run into a lot of trouble at peak times, and US West servers are also having the first signs of similar problems at its local peak.
Because its fun.
Probably because dota has been going for years now and I'm assuming the majority of the playerbase are from dota.
Also I never played a moba before dota 2 and I got it in about 50-60 games or so, it's really not that hard as long as you aren't stupid or atleast have the ability to google things.
And this was before guides or the start of the tutorials.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
The people that first played were people from DOTA1/HoN/LoL, they made guides to teach people. People learned, then they taught others.
Not that hard to get.
Are you talking about the three second YouTube clips or is this actually useful?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Yeah, but Valve also sells the invites on their client for 2 cents each.
AppleSmack
Banned
I do not believe it for a second. Calling bullshit.
I am not talking about those. There now is the first part of a real tutorial and user guides you can pick. These guides explain how to play a hero, show you which talents to pick when and what items to buy when. It's all in the UI while you are playing.
DOTA2 is a game in progress and it shows that they try their best to make it accessible. First they had to get the fundamentals down, hell there are still a few heroes missing.
They added the first level of the tutorial that's going to be in the final game into the beta. I don't know if they are planning on adding the other levels or if they just wanted to get the framework and assets tested out and have the completed tutorial campaign in the final product though. Valve seems to be pretty serious about making Dota 2 accessible.
Well, one provided a lot more data, while the other one simply made a claim and gave very little to back it up.
Also, Riot doesn't need anyone else to tell them how many accounts they have, so once again, not the same.
But hey, believe what you want to believe.
There are now actually hero specific guides built into the game. They are community written, and its going to take time for people to vote guides up and down, and needs a langage filter (A ton of top rated guides are in French) but its really nice.
They have at least two more tutorials in the works. One is a "Real" Tutorial, the other is a mid only last hit practice.
Also, I still think they may actually make the tutorials voice acted, they have them rigged up for it but all the lines are dummied out.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
LoL trounces DotA 2 in popularity, concurrent users, time played, whatever metric you want to use. It's not close. And I also doubt the whole "Once DotA 2 opens up to the Asian region, look out folks! Millions will flock over!"... I doubt it. LoL is conquering the world. The Chinese teams that have played in the tournaments have been some of the best in the world. LoL will have the Asian region locked up as well. /lolfanboy
Proper?
What's proper window mode?
Unless Valve teams up with a Chinese company, Tencent is going to make sure Asia is locked down.
Valve is partnered with Perfect World, although Tencent is certainly trying to keep the competition down.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Like a full window mode but with borders I guess?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Yup, LoL can't be stopped. There will be no mythical "millions of Chinese/Asian DotA2 players" waiting in the wings for it to go live over there.
Hmmm interesting, but then Tencent is like the biggest Chinese internet company.
It's like taking on Google or Apple. In fact, Tencent is the third largest in the world being Google and Amazon.
Uh there are actually millions of chinese WC3 Dota players that didn't move to 2 because it's not available there yet...
They have, Perfect World:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_World_(company)
They even have a pretty cool looking site:
http://www.dota2.com.cn/
Hmm can't be that?
I like this metric. It should be industry standard now
Do you think the millions who are currently DoTA 1 through Battle.net, third party matchmaking services and at cyber cafes (while LoL is currently 100% released and easily accessible for them) will stick with DoTA 1 or switch over to Dota 2? These "mythical" beings exist but no one knows if they're going to flock to Dota 2. They definitely haven't flocked to League of Legends so who knows if its because its not DoTA or if they hate change.
forgeforsaken
Member
The difference is Riot has reliable information about what their player base is. Valve, likewise knows the Dota2 player base. Now one can choose to believe both Riot and Valve are liars, whatever, but that's still different than taking a 3rd parties claims who does not have the actual internal information Valve and Riot do.
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