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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft
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Jake Tower
Banned
Someone post the giant list of media sites that ran this story please.
I don't even think it's a mega-corportation thing or a product launch thing. It's a simple employee/employer relationship idea that some people aren't getting in the social media era. If a chef at a local pizza place starts insulting consumers for not liking their new product, I'm sure there's a high likelihood he might be fired. You just don't do crap like this.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Other victims of the internet under Arthur Gies definition:
Judge Richard Cebull, a disgraced judge that was forced to resign after sending e-mails joking that Barack Obama's father was a dog.
The Steubenville Rapists, who recorded their crime on video which leaked on to the internet (at least Gies isn't alone on thinking this is someone else's fault?)
Anthon Weiner, former Representative who tweeted his penis to a young lady, which he absolutely would not have done if not for twitter existing and women on twitter being hot. Shame on you, internet.
But all of those things are wayyy worse comparatively. I'm not saying Gies is right (I don't think he is), but I'm also saying this isn't right...
KojiKnight
Member
I think people forget, this guy was quoted as being "an executive" or "a creative director" from Microsoft. That title gives him clout as being a representative for the company. His words were hosted on at least a DOZEN major gaming sites of MULTIPLE languages. One way or the other, he cost Microsoft a LOT of money.
Microsoft lost customers without a doubt due to his actions, and the fact that Microsoft will be in PR overload for the next few weeks at the least trying to undo the damage is becoming evident (as others have mentioned, these new "leaks" seem to be very strategically timed).
Microsoft lost customers without a doubt due to his actions, and the fact that Microsoft will be in PR overload for the next few weeks at the least trying to undo the damage is becoming evident (as others have mentioned, these new "leaks" seem to be very strategically timed).
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Other victims of the internet under Arthur Gies definition:
Judge Richard Cebull, a disgraced judge that was forced to resign after sending e-mails joking that Barack Obama's father was a dog.
The Steubenville Rapists, who recorded their crime on video which leaked on to the internet (at least Gies isn't alone on thinking this is someone else's fault?)
Anthon Weiner, former Representative who tweeted his penis to a young lady, which he absolutely would not have done if not for twitter existing and women on twitter being hot. Shame on you, internet.
I think we are witnessing the birth of a new meme here, folks.
Quote
Member
I know that feeling. It's super hard and I have to question all the time "wait, can I get in trouble for this?" Usually if I have to ask that then I just don't post.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
At least one person on Twitter is saying MS is causing more of a PR storm by firing Orth.
ShockingAlberto
Member
They are worse, that is sort of the point.
If you're going to pretend any reaction the internet has by merely being public is inherently the public's fault for viewing and discussing the content you put on it, you sort of have to take that sort of thing with it.
Schadenfreude
Member
No one's fault but his own. There have been countless stories of burger flippers being let go for badmouthing their employer/acting stupid on Facebook and Twitter. Did he not think a person with such a high position would be held to the same standards?
cripterion
Member
This. If you can't shut your yap and say moronic things tied to your job/employer, why even post on social networks? This goes hand in hand with people reportedly taking a leave of work because they're "sick" and posting pictures of them partying at the same time for all co-workers and employer to see on Facebook.
KoreanBarbecue
Member
Interesting. But, wondering how many folks won't buy the new Xbox because they did, as opposed to because of what he said.
Exactly. How the fuck anyone could blame Twitter for the shit people say on it simply escapes me.
blitzcloud
Banned
Did I ever said that media sites don't rejoice on drama for clicks? I'm not attributing this to "the internet", but rather the individuals that kept the fire alive (on twitter) till the meat carbonized.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
If I had photoshop skills, Steve Ballmer's face being put on Vader would be fucking hilarious.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
No, not really. You're taking his tweet out of context. Gies said he got fired "over something so stupid". I very much doubt he would trivialize those other instances.
I feel weird defending Gies, but you are off the mark.
Apology accepted.
There's expressing your opinion, and then being a complete, utter asshole. Know the difference.
I wouldn't classify it as a mistake. He made the brazen decision to continuously post pertaining to the matter on twitter. I would of been a mistake if he had one tweet but alas there were several.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Orth: "But what about my severance package? Retirement! I worked for you for years and this is what I get!?"
Ballmer: *puts on sunglasses*
"Deal with it."
Ballmer: *puts on sunglasses*
"Deal with it."
IdreamofHIME
Member
Oh shit, Geese talking shit about Evilore now.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Pretty much. Yeah he should have known better, and the timing was awful being that MS hasn't said a peep and the internet was at a fever pitch about always online, but he made a mistake.
What's really going to suck is if the Xbox isn't always online and he lost his job for something that never mattered.
TheGreyHulk
Member
yeah. you gotta use common sense and apparently he didn't.
If he was right, I will be more upset at Microsoft for making such a consumer unfriendly product than any of his comments.
Still feel bad for the guy, from all of the evidence I have to go by. I still think he fucked up, but we would probably all be fired if some of our mistakes were in the public eye(yes, I realize this part too was his fault).
Still feel bad for the guy, from all of the evidence I have to go by. I still think he fucked up, but we would probably all be fired if some of our mistakes were in the public eye(yes, I realize this part too was his fault).
VeryGooster
Banned
So... congratulations, internet?
Fixed1979
Member
Gies is called out all the time here on GAF, he just continuously spews vomit with no end in site. He's like the vomit Yosemite of "journalism."
And this is why I don't understand how Gies is still employed.
Shitty situation all around here. Stupidity on twitter gone really bad.
He deserved to go. Microsoft is super strict with NDAs and has a company-wide policy that you never comment on rumor and speculation. Not only did he comment on rumor and speculation but he did it in a disrespectful way. Many employees at MS keep their mouths shut even when they don't want to for the sake of the company, for this guy just to go wild on twitter is like spitting in the face of his co-workers.
No, its not. When you're in a high up position and act like an ass clown alienating your potential customers expressing your PoV you deserve to get fired. He was an idiot for doing what he did and I'm glad MS took the proper steps to separate themselves from his views. You can't say "that's not what we believe" while still keeping someone in a key position publicly expressing those beliefs and have your denial hold any weight.
Jake Tower
Banned
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Lol now I need to watch this again.
I do not feel sorry for this man. He was probably called by EA or someone about 5 minutes after this decision was handed down.
The root of this whole situation is the false idea that success in technology means you make something more exclusive.
Microsoft spent the latter part of this generation making a drive toward the non-gamer, the motion gamer, and the whole family, while reaping the rewards of its hardcore action driven legacy.
Universal always on gaming screws almost every demographic they had been working to grab.
I would not only fire Adam Orth, but also the nimrod who greenlit this crap. Just because something (Xbox Live) in this case is successful doesn't mean you need to ram it up your customers' asses.
There are certain ideas that may always be considered, but it takes clearer heads not to actually implement them.
I'm sure Nintendo would like to sell you Super Mario Brothers on a DVD for $59.99.
I'm sure Sony would like to sell all the cars from Gran Turismo separately from the game.
Just because someone said it doesn't mean you have to do it.
The root of this whole situation is the false idea that success in technology means you make something more exclusive.
Microsoft spent the latter part of this generation making a drive toward the non-gamer, the motion gamer, and the whole family, while reaping the rewards of its hardcore action driven legacy.
Universal always on gaming screws almost every demographic they had been working to grab.
I would not only fire Adam Orth, but also the nimrod who greenlit this crap. Just because something (Xbox Live) in this case is successful doesn't mean you need to ram it up your customers' asses.
There are certain ideas that may always be considered, but it takes clearer heads not to actually implement them.
I'm sure Nintendo would like to sell you Super Mario Brothers on a DVD for $59.99.
I'm sure Sony would like to sell all the cars from Gran Turismo separately from the game.
Just because someone said it doesn't mean you have to do it.
There wouldn't have been anything to "keep alive" if Orth didn't spout nonsense on Twitter. He was representing MS. That was MS saying that. Why is that hard to understand for some?
TheGreyHulk
Member
the new rumors point to the durango having an offline mode and the ability to play used games. the timing of the leak makes it look like it was leaked on purpose for damage control due to the shit storm this guy started
No, he was fired (or forced to resign) because he insulted current and future customers of Microsoft.
A good poster
Banned
I'm getting Dyack vibes.
blitzcloud
Banned
Yes I do know. That's why I said he should've known better. At the end of the day a man is a man, and can make mistakes. This was honestly very provocative and saying it was good that they applied "corporate" measures to get rid of him and later blame corporations for being "corporate" on their relationship with developers (fired upon project end, not meeting expectations) and users alike (enforcing all sorts of EULA and all that stuff) is nothing short of hypocrite.
Did his twitter name have anything that referenced microsoft/xbox? I honestly never heard of his name. was he a spokesperson, PR? I don't see why his personal twitter is so relevant to the case, to the exception of some innocuous statements which fueled some people to ruin his day.
Yes, precisely. This is what most people, in this thread, saying "this isn't right" are missing. Orth had it clearly labeled on his Twitter profile that he was a Creative Director at Microsoft Studios. Guy was asking for what he got by throwing out those comments about always online on Twitter. People were angry with him not just because of his opinion, but because his opinion lends credence to the idea that Microsoft was supporting always online in Durango and that the opinion he posted was likely shared by other Microsoft employees.
He was creating negative press, potentially misrepresenting Microsoft, and losing customers in the process (you *have* to assume you're losing customers). Businesses also fire employees to "right" the people that were "wronged" and this is also an example of that. He insulted customers on a public forum.
Personal Twitters should not be filled with your title of work, or anything work related. You want an example of a bad personal twitter? Look at Arthur Gies and the other guys that work at Polygon. They all stupidly have their polygonal heads as their avatar images and have the Polygon background on their Twitter. There's a reason why people hawk your Twitter and rip you apart Arthur; it's because your Twitter makes it out to be that your comments represent Polygon as a whole.
I believe it's more how he communicated with the public domain.
We don't even know if the always online is going to happen.
Petrae
Member
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/322141730172448768
@BranDamnMan given that the owner and ruler of the forum condones it, why would it ever stop?
@BranDamnMan given that the owner and ruler of the forum condones it, why would it ever stop?