BurnOutBrighter
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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft
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Should I repost that wall of articles for you?
ConfusingJazz
Member
...er, despite the apology, I still think he is a douchebag.
1) What in the hell is he doing "trolling"? If I were his boss, I would order a suspension of his twitter account until at least the announcement just for that.
2) He already commented on rumors and speculation, a big no no.
3) Why was he being a dick to this particular person who had a legitimate complaint? It wasn't like the guy first called Orth an asshole before saying "My rural town's internet kinda sucks"
Beermeister
Banned
Hey douchebag, you got fired, DEAL WITH IT!
blitzcloud
Banned
that's funny, considering your avatar.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
Jeff Gurstmen delt with his firing pretty honorably.
blitzcloud
Banned
Did Adam Orth even say anything about his firing? Presumably he wasn't even fired, he resigned.
Jeff got fired for going against his management and the ad companies that supported GS by stating his opinion of a game on a review. Integrity aside, he costed the company money (or was going to cost the company if he kept being there), so they got rid of him for voicing his opinion about the game. Gaming journalism.
That was such an irrelevant comparison, if you cant see whats wrong with it then i don't know what to say. The reason we have freedom of speech is not to protect the popular opinion.
I think many of them fear the same thing could happen to them, so used to being to spout their opinions and get nothing but fanboi love in return.
dragonelite
Member
That why some people living a professional and private life.
It is always good to keep those two things separated.
The blame lies at his door. I don't care if he is a "good guy". He was publicly rude and dismissive of his employer's customers. Even down to borderline insulting the areas where customers live due to him being a "city" boy. He minute he placed his employers into a state of disrepute he had to go. While we will never know it is safe to assume this is a jump before push.
His twitter industry pals can back him up all they want, but he held a senior position and should have behaved accordingly. Unfortunately the industry seems to be littered with numerous "manchilds". Especially on the "journalism" side of the coin.
His twitter industry pals can back him up all they want, but he held a senior position and should have behaved accordingly. Unfortunately the industry seems to be littered with numerous "manchilds". Especially on the "journalism" side of the coin.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I might be training to be a teacher, and I can safely say that I'll be killing off my Facebook/Twitter accounts beforehand. Just not worth the risk. Then again, I wouldn't be as stupid as Orth, but everybody makes mistakes.
Looks like an apology to me. Even the person he was talking to confirmed they were joking. It was a stupid mistake which cost him his job and that's fine, I just don't see any reason to continue to pile on him.
blurredvision
Member
It's my opinion that his tweets weren't as scathing and vindictive as the internet gaming community made them out to be. The whole scenario reminds me of how the media will take quotes from celebrities/politicians and twist them to get a story out of it.
The guy was stating his opinion. His "deal with it" remark seems to be made in jest, even if it wasn't, I'm not sure why everybody was so offended by it. Also, so what if he doesn't want to live in certain parts of the country? Hell, I wouldn't want to live in WI either.
The guy may be a douchebag, but the community is not doing anybody any favors by raising a shit storm over this.
The guy was stating his opinion. His "deal with it" remark seems to be made in jest, even if it wasn't, I'm not sure why everybody was so offended by it. Also, so what if he doesn't want to live in certain parts of the country? Hell, I wouldn't want to live in WI either.
The guy may be a douchebag, but the community is not doing anybody any favors by raising a shit storm over this.
dragonelite
Member
Looks like an apology to me. Even the person he was talking to confirmed they were joking. It was a stupid mistake which cost him his job and that's fine, I just don't see any reason to continue to pile on him.
You never troll personally on facebook and twitter do that shit on whats app and other more private means of communicating.
Dongle gate,Notch party gate and always online gate all started on twitter.
this is what happened.
People seem to ignore or just not know this information and just blame NeoGaf or Twitter instead of him breaking company policy. He had put his employee title in his twitter profile, he presented himself in his twitter profile as Creative Director of Microsoft Studios and as such he was 100% representing Microsoft on twitter and did his twitter as an employee of Microsoft and not as a private person.
Stop blaming twitter or neogaf for someone not using twitter correctly.
jakonovski
Member
Right, reality check time. The internet, or more correctly the public, does not react in a self-aware manner. Everybody realizes that, right? Right? Please?
Looks like an apology to me. Even the person he was talking to confirmed they were joking. It was a stupid mistake which cost him his job and that's fine, I just don't see any reason to continue to pile on him.
That isn't really the part that likely got him in trouble though. Just by talking about features heavily rumoured to be a part of his companies device and being so dismissive of people's concerns was pretty unwise. The tweets that did that weren't aimed at his friend so aren't really what he was apologising for.
Watch where you leave your markers as well.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Even in his "apology" he is still being an ass with that "non-cities" comment.
I kept my Facebook deactivated and Twitter locked (not that I have that many tweets or followers) while I was looking for a job last year. There's nothing I'd imagine would raise any red flags for potential employers, but you never know. There are things I'd consider trivial jokes that could be off-putting to some. I also keep my job separate from all my social networking. I'll post funny work stories on my Facebook (which is private and only viewable by 40 or so people), but at no point have I ever made it public where the stories are coming from.
What bums me out about people like Cliff and Dent making excuses for Adam getting fired is that it'll push him to place the blame on someone else. They'll assure him that this was a case of mob justice from that vengeful, heartless Internet, and he'll learn nothing from this incident. This was his mistake. I hope he accepts that, and makes better decisions in his next position.
I agree, but "pretty unwise" is a euphemism here. Given the already-flaming rumors of always online, what he did was the equivalent of sticking his dick in a bees nest.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
You never know with Facebook. The scary thing is, people can still upload pictures of you. Say you got drunk at a friends party, and you did some stupid stuff, you can't stop them from putting that out there. You can "untag" it, sure, but it's still going to be there, and if your friend is friends with someone else... etc.
It's just scary. I'd prefer to remove myself from it altogether. The headteacher at my Mom's school actually officially told them all they have to remove Facebook, because you get kids going on there and looking up names, and finding their teachers. And what if the teacher put "Long day at work, damn kids!" or something? That would be enough to fire them.
But I mean in those sorts of situations, it's not the person's fault. This definitely was. An equivalent would be a teacher going on twitter and saying "Break time's 10 minutes now instead of 15. Go cry about it elsewhere kids, lots of people have 10 minute breaks".
GoddyofAus
Banned
You know you're generalizing. He made snide remarks about an issue he should know is contentious in the gaming industry. The fact he didn't have the foresight to predict that the response to this would be explosive is a testament to how inappropriate he is for his job.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Two questions. What does a creative director does?
And how doesnt he have 2 twitter-accounts? One for his private things, one for his work-related things.
And how doesnt he have 2 twitter-accounts? One for his private things, one for his work-related things.
dragonelite
Member
He shouldn't have a twitter for work related things.
The pr part of the company has one what they tweet you can retweet and give your opinion on. Not something that is NDA.
TheForceWithin
Banned
He pissed off a lot of MS's customers, potentially costing them millions of dollars because of all the bad publicity. As stupid as it is that he lost his job over having a brainfart on twitter, MS can't let that go. And he should have known better.
This story made it to the Guardian. Including a NeoGAF shoutout.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter
Sorry if old.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter
Sorry if old.
HOLY SHIT you're lame and boring.
His comments were clearly objectively a very bad idea, he is stupid for making them and he should have known better. Stop making snide twitters comments online, in particular about issues that relate to your employer. Whether he deserves to be fired* depends on his overall value to MS, so I can't comment on that. It's very difficult to assess if any actual damage was done, in particular because it appears Microsoft isn't actually pursuing the contentious strategy that was the subject of the tweets.
Just because his tweets were ill-conceived does not mean the reaction was proportional or that the people partaking in it were acting appropriately/rationally/maturely. It was a typical manufactured internet reaction, more emotional (or herd based) than rational. There was nothing offensive about his remarks except for the one obvious joke if you purposely chose to misconstrue his intent. If the content had been objectively deplorable (e.g. racist, sexist), him getting fired would be in your interests as well as it would be a deterrent and a rebuke to that kind of behavior. All he did was express his opinion, but it seems being outraged is the natural state for many internet dwellers. Twitter monsters, but this time on the forums. There is nothing wrong with objecting to the whole concept of an always online console, but the tone of the original thread was very different. His behavior amounted to being poor PR and it is not in the interest of any non-Microsoft employee to discourage behavior that possibly causes them PR damage.
*for the purposes of this post I'm disregarding the possibility that he resigned completely out of his own volition
Just because his tweets were ill-conceived does not mean the reaction was proportional or that the people partaking in it were acting appropriately/rationally/maturely. It was a typical manufactured internet reaction, more emotional (or herd based) than rational. There was nothing offensive about his remarks except for the one obvious joke if you purposely chose to misconstrue his intent. If the content had been objectively deplorable (e.g. racist, sexist), him getting fired would be in your interests as well as it would be a deterrent and a rebuke to that kind of behavior. All he did was express his opinion, but it seems being outraged is the natural state for many internet dwellers. Twitter monsters, but this time on the forums. There is nothing wrong with objecting to the whole concept of an always online console, but the tone of the original thread was very different. His behavior amounted to being poor PR and it is not in the interest of any non-Microsoft employee to discourage behavior that possibly causes them PR damage.
*for the purposes of this post I'm disregarding the possibility that he resigned completely out of his own volition
Dude... this is a big deal. Terrible press in mainstream publications, and what's going to be reported is the negative reaction he inflamed.
You would lose any job over far less.
blitzcloud
Banned
The problem some of us seem to have is why this reached mainstream publications with false statements.
scytheavatar
Member
Nothing offensive except his coalescing response towards gamer's concern of always online is "deal with it"?
And employed, probably.
Haunted
Member
The problem with that approach obviously being that MS won't change their always-on strategy and will obviously replace Orth with someone perpetuating the same mindset. Consumers have gained nothing.
Nice to have some common sense back in my feed after seeing all that developer/journo circlejerk.
If MS doesn't go with always on and one of the proponents of that tech has left the company now... well, I guess I can see where Walker is coming from then.
shinra-bansho
Member
Controlled leak apparently didn't reach The Guardian.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
100% correct. Faux outrage is the worst.
gaming_noob
Member
It's very easy since we're hiding behind an alias.
so what you are saying is we should not discuss the future of games in a games forum if that discussion might make people that make public statements about the issue lose their jobs?
how about no
though there is no reason for anyone to do personal attacks there definately are reason to discuss and respond to stupid statements made by someone who presents themselves as a representative of Microsoft
Him getting fired/let go was all his own making
also teaching a child not to "steal" (ie "borrowing" withour permission) is very important and hopefully you learnt your lesson. Though the way you describe how it went down you probably did learn anything not since you blame others for getting caught.
Yes you were a thief
Indeed, and in the end, we were outraged by the fact someone from Microsoft was defending Always-On, not only about how he was defending it.
Phonomezer
Banned
The comments on there are as tired and vile as the thread on GAF.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
This stuff here scares me. Heard on the Joe Rogan podcast that two guys was sitting a diner and telling each other dick jokes, when a stranger (self-proclaimed "feminist") took a picture of them. slapped it on her twitter, and opened her presentation (at the conference they were at) at these two gentlemens women-insulting jokes.
As a consequence one of the guys got fired. then 4chan got involved, and got her fired. And this political-correctness everywhere is just sad.
I dont think you should lose your jobs for saying offensive jobs to your friend, and perhaps you shouldnt get an entire collective to hate you for saying something silly on twitter. I mean.. the list is long. Jay Wilson, Phil Harrison, Dennis Dyack. There are so many people who "gets it" once they are on the bad side of the internet.
I truly think a lot of the natural empathy goes out the window. If you watch some obscure unrestricted video sites like Liveleak it seems to have lots of people who make fun of people dying, and other vile serious shit. it's almost like the internet barrier de-humanize us, at least compassion-wise.
I have compassion for this guy. He writes like a angry fanboy. Basically half of Neogaf can articulate themselves like that over subjects dear to them, once the gaming fanboyism gets going. And we all see through this. A lot of this (IMO) has to do with microsoft being unfavorable with the hardcore gamerz.
As a consequence one of the guys got fired. then 4chan got involved, and got her fired. And this political-correctness everywhere is just sad.
I dont think you should lose your jobs for saying offensive jobs to your friend, and perhaps you shouldnt get an entire collective to hate you for saying something silly on twitter. I mean.. the list is long. Jay Wilson, Phil Harrison, Dennis Dyack. There are so many people who "gets it" once they are on the bad side of the internet.
I truly think a lot of the natural empathy goes out the window. If you watch some obscure unrestricted video sites like Liveleak it seems to have lots of people who make fun of people dying, and other vile serious shit. it's almost like the internet barrier de-humanize us, at least compassion-wise.
I have compassion for this guy. He writes like a angry fanboy. Basically half of Neogaf can articulate themselves like that over subjects dear to them, once the gaming fanboyism gets going. And we all see through this. A lot of this (IMO) has to do with microsoft being unfavorable with the hardcore gamerz.
spindoctor
Member
I really do not understand the schadenfreude over this.
Did you take this man's 'insult' against you so personally that you now have to celebrate him losing his livelihood over it?
Did you take this man's 'insult' against you so personally that you now have to celebrate him losing his livelihood over it?