blitzcloud
Banned
"you go live in [insert states with predominant rural areas]"
"why on earth would I live there?"
Glad to see the media doing hyperbole of every straw they find.
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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft
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"you go live in [insert states with predominant rural areas]"
"why on earth would I live there?"
Glad to see the media doing hyperbole of every straw they find.
I think he's just losing his mind.
Or he just confessed to stealing his teacher's car. Not sure how that fits with the backpack searching though.
Who the fuck is even touting themselves as "TeamFire"? Actually, I'm not sure how many WANTED him fired explicitly so much as saying it was to be expected, or possibly deserved. And at least expecting it makes sense, people have gotten into hot water over things like this plenty of times in the past, it's just unique in how it was first brought to everyone's attention through a forum thread.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Going off the implication from Adam Orth that Microsoft is fully in-favor of an online-only XBox, I can literally not play the Durango in my household for longer than 30 minutes because of how shit all of Australia's ISP providers are and I apparently live in an 'awkward' connection area to switch to any better internet service.
Doesn't matter if it turns out it isn't online-only and this was all a huge misunderstanding; there's still a significant number of people in a similar situation to myself who will probably be under the impression until who-knows-when that this system literally won't function in their household and thus avoid it like the plague. This thing is enormously bad PR for Microsoft in regions which aren't the USA or Asia, and a lot of people seem to be unaware just how widely reported on this 'feature' has been in the mainstream news.
I doubt he intended to confirm anything, but Adam Orth's tweets given his position were still idiotic to make in public.
Open Source
Banned
If that's the case, he probably did them a favor so that the PS4 >>>>> Durango buzz lost a couple of >>'s. "We're actually not dicking over half our existing user base" is not exactly something you save for a stunning reveal at a major event.
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
It's not about beeing a douchebag. I bet 99% of the corporate are douches. But when it counts, they're the boring diplomatic representatives we see at E3 presentations and interviews. This guy made the mistake of beeing a douche in 'public'.
Open Source
Banned
The mistake of being a douche in public AND not having the "juice" to survive it. An important distinction, as the President and CEO of SCEA can attest to.
mentalfloss
Banned
MS is in no different of a position than they were before. They may have done this because they were scared of getting there, but there is no way that this will hit the bottom line.
He apologized for that even before the shitstorm started.
He was the main reason they thought they were being 'dicked over'. Until he pretty much confirmed 'always on' in his tweets it wasn't actually an issue.
GlamFM
Banned
When&where?
I guess the apologizes didn't get as many RT as the original messages.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Nice to have some common sense back in my feed after seeing all that developer/journo circlejerk.
So you are saying that GAF is stinky and weird, huh?
Yeah, like I thought when replying to Jaffe's post he DID apologize in the way I thought was appropriate.
But of course it was drowned out by things going wild. It'd probably have been easier if it was after the last set of leaks. Half because people would just be baffled some DD-only Xbox 360 really needs it THAT MUCH to get too upset.
But of course it was drowned out by things going wild. It'd probably have been easier if it was after the last set of leaks. Half because people would just be baffled some DD-only Xbox 360 really needs it THAT MUCH to get too upset.
dragonelite
Member
Lets first see what he makes.
The man behind jazz jackrabbit and Gears of war and promoting games going back to being games and not movies.
If it sucks we can get him fired.
/totally not power tripping on gafs new found powers.
Open Source
Banned
Nice to have some common sense back in my feed after seeing all that developer/journo circlejerk.
Reminds me of the situation where mediocre or bad developers go under. Some people express happiness; others excoriate them for being heartless while many presumably non-evil individuals have lost jobs.
I personally don't think that happiness that the free market is doing its part to make gaming more enjoyable is incompatible with empathy for those who are now out of work.
However, I do have to wonder exactly how much knowledge John Walker has about Adam Orth's suitability for his job.
Not just that. His major mistake was to strongly imply something negative about an unannounced product. Or implying anything about an unanounnced product for that matter.
CambriaRising
Member
The worst kind of person. A NeoGaf user.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Ah yeah, because it's so bizarre to think that it wasn't GAF or anybody else that got this guy fired, it was himself and his arrogance and stupidity.
blitzcloud
Banned
yeah sure, you tell yourself that. It's not the fact that people raged over a bad analogy, which escalated to GAF and to LOTS of media sources (probably the reason why he got fired).
It was because he made a bad analogy and said "why on earth would I live there?"
Yeah, sounds like the worst guy ever.
Open Source
Banned
If arrogance and stupidity were a firing offense for everybody...yeah...
Nice to have some common sense back in my feed after seeing all that developer/journo circlejerk.
God this guy is proving himself to be more of a prick every single day.
CambriaRising
Member
Why does everyone keep saying he was fired? He wasn't, he quit. (Allegedly)
I'm repeating myself, but I believe the part that got him was when he implied "Xbox will be always online, deal with it". He fanned the flames of a very negative rumor.
I hope he learned his lesson and lands on his feet.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Right, which leads into the other issue of people seemingly believing their very public opinions and behavior are protected and immune to criticism, as if they do not deserve to be lambasted for saying something immeasurably stupid and maybe offensive. Sometimes people say dumb shit. I've said dumb shit before. And if people who strongly disagree are within listening distance they'll probably let you know how much of a tool you're being. It's no different to mouthing off in a public place, like at a bar or party, and having someone put you in line. You said something inherently fucking dumb, and you're being called out on it.
Unfortunately the defensive here is that they didn't say something stupid, were not deserving of criticism, accusations of ganging up and bullying, and so on. There's no humility, no reflection, and no ability to sit back and go "okay, I was wrong". The person does not want to accept responsibility for their own behavior or humour the possibility that their behavior was inappropriate, and thus seek out excuses and scapegoats. "The Internet" and "NeoGAF" are today's example.
Some people need to grow up. Simple as that. Mouth off in a public space directed towards other people and you will be held accountable for every single word you say. Because you're an adult with personal responsibility, not a three year old with a bad parent.
blitzcloud
Banned
We can not forget that certain people, with the use of bullying tools such as spreading the word with outright subjective appreciations of what he said as a fact, can harm you a lot. We have all seen how the internet collective works. Most of it is pure inertia. They don't even double check facts or anything, they simply "jump in" just to feel part of something, even if that means destroying an individual. And i'm not talking only of this case in particular.
mentalfloss
Banned
Shh..
He's a douchebag that should have been fired.
Stick to the script.
Nealand Liquor
Member
Can't believe people are actually blaming gaf and the internet for this. What's with the victim mentality in the game industry right now?
WrenchNinja
Member
What did they say?
perineumlick
Member
Ugh, here we go with that bullying term again.
childplease
Banned
Because people like to vent about work.
A better question is why are people nosy and stalk people on twitter ?
jakonovski
Member
That's called crowd psychology. If you're in a high visibility job position, you need to be aware of the phenomenon, or you're endangering your livelihood.
He didn't get fired for being mean. He probably got fired for going off Microsoft's marketing plan.
Again this wasn't the internet getting hurt and getting the guy fired for revenge.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
If adam orth was a good employee. who had friends and was liked in the office. He wouldn't have been fired for this PR mistake. He would have been forgiven, and strongly warned.
But all the detective work we've done only goes to show that he's a generally disliked personality, who's been jumping ship and jobs for the last 5 years in his life. He might have been under qualified for his job, and this twitter incident exposed him, and brought attention to him he really didn't need.
Suddenly his job, and his achievements/work was under a microscope by the higher ups. And he failed to make his actions excusable. Someone had to look at this incident, and look at Orths employment record and decide if he's worth keeping.
He clearly wasn't as this was a very accelerated firing. He didn't even last until the end of the month.
But all the detective work we've done only goes to show that he's a generally disliked personality, who's been jumping ship and jobs for the last 5 years in his life. He might have been under qualified for his job, and this twitter incident exposed him, and brought attention to him he really didn't need.
Suddenly his job, and his achievements/work was under a microscope by the higher ups. And he failed to make his actions excusable. Someone had to look at this incident, and look at Orths employment record and decide if he's worth keeping.
He clearly wasn't as this was a very accelerated firing. He didn't even last until the end of the month.
He got what he deserved because making your company look bad in public (internet) is the worst an employee can do, but some people are too blood-thirsty, I mean I don't understand the schadenfreude in this case. It's not like he continued to be an asshole, he apologized, he lost his job and learned his lesson, but why are people insisting to paint him as a douchebag.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Yes, I agree, and that's the horrible part. But this is also why we try to teach children the dangers of online networking, and discuss the social challenges it introduces. For every person unfairly bullied and hunted across the internet, there's another person who acted like an arrogant, argumentative dumbass in a very public space, and is now playing the victim.
In the case of Orth I don't feel he was necessarily the latter, but I don't think it was the former either. He said some really stupid shit and made some awful metaphors that people reacted very poorly too, and rightly so. He did so in the most public of all spaces, while (unintentionally) representing a major corporation and their unannounced services and products. People expressed frustration and disbelief at his arguments, as well as disappointment over their implications. News outlets picked this up, and reported it. Some people probably bullied him and they suck, but that is not bullying.
It's no different to mouthing off in a bar about all the shit things your company does. If someone at the company happens to be there, or it traces back, you're probably going to get fired or a stern talking to. As I said in the previous thread I think it's lame that business crosses into personal life, and I don't think personal behavior outside of work should dictate judgement at work, but you have to be smart about it.
Can you imagine if someone advertised as working at Sony argued over twitte that gamers don't understand how expensive it is to upkeep online play servers, and that it should be a pay-to-play service? Someone would pick up on it. They'd probably take it as implication the PS4 will have subscription-to-play-online service. Gaming news outlets would report it. And so on. Remember, Durango being always online is in no way official or formal. It's just rumours. Stoke that fire and people will watch it burn.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
No he didn't.
The best thing we got was a "sorry you were offended" from MS. And even that referred to Orth as "this person". :lol
swordsman720
Banned
He deserves it. As an employer of a company and no matter how low or high your rank is. You should protect your company's image.
j0hnny_385
Member
blitzcloud
Banned
Yeah, I do see the implications of voicing your opinions without disclaimers (which is why they should all go back the old fashioned blog with a footnote that says that your views don't reflect the mentality of the company you're working for), specially when it can raise some controversy.
Still, I guess the guy never saw it coming. After a while, you may feel in a safe zone of stating some opinions. This case just shows us it's wrong to do that, specially when people will backtrace you all they can to prove you're a horrible person because you wanted to be called sweet billy, lol.