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[DaBoss]

If one simply takes the relatively cynical wholesale position that money makes the world go round, or at least the world of large publicly traded corporations, it's far easier to be consistent.

Sure there are bound to be a few occasional exceptions where personalities have clashed or deals have gone sour, and the resultant fall-out has led to reluctance to do future business. Mikami and the GameCube; Akihiro Hino and Microsoft, probably other examples that escape me. There may be a grain of truth in the hullabaloo around EA and Nintendo even. Business is about relationships too of course.

But at the end of the day the almighty dollar/euro/yen rules more often than not.

Yup, and I don't really blame anyone. Human nature and all.

Isn't it rumored that Sony (America) is also the reason P3rd HD never got localized anywhere?

SCEE also, I thought it was SCEA only. It isn't rumored though, it is what happened. SCEA and SCEE didn't want to use the online solution used for many PSP->PS3 games that SCEJ used for only one game.

 

[Ridley327]

I'd also have to think that Capcom wasn't interested in spending the money to add trophies to the game either, given that the whole point of MHP3rd HD was that it was a straight port of the PSP version.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I think the street fighter x tekken 12 character dlc drama ruined capcom's interest in the vita.

What was that again?

 

[Takao]

What was that again?

12 completed characters for SFxT were on the discs at the game's launch but were inaccessible to legitimate players. These characters were planned to be timed-exclusive to Vita with Capcom releasing paid DLC on PS3/360 to make the rosters even (minus Cole/Toro/Pac-Man/FatRock). Of course since they were already on the discs you were downloading an unlock key ...

 

[Mileena]

I'd also have to think that Capcom wasn't interested in spending the money to add trophies to the game either, given that the whole point of MHP3rd HD was that it was a straight port of the PSP version.

Dude they could have wrote some bullshit in 20 minutes. Capcom doesn't usually put much thought into their achievements anyway (there's no achievement for doing all trials in SFxT, really?)

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I'd also have to think that Capcom wasn't interested in spending the money to add trophies to the game either, given that the whole point of MHP3rd HD was that it was a straight port of the PSP version.

Adding trophies during development is not exactly a money sink especially when there is like 0 quality control for it.

 

[Ridley327]

Dude they could have wrote some bullshit in 20 minutes. Capcom doesn't usually put much thought into their achievements anyway (there's no achievement for doing all trials in SFxT, really?)

MHP3rd HD uses the same icons that the PSP used on the PS3. They literally spent zero effort on it.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Why put anything on Vita at this point? It's about the most dead 'active' system of all time.

Hey! It's still outselling Wii U worldwide .

Spoiler

they are both dead

 

[Brofist]

Expected and no big loss for me.

Between Soul Sacrifice and God Eater 2 the system is fine.

You heard it here 2 games are coming out..it's a wrap.

 

[DR2K]

You know MH being exclusive on 3DS has got to be the biggest betrayalthon in gaming. PSP carried MH to the series that it is today and MH pushed PSP sales sky high. What in the world happened between Sony and Capcom here? What kind of money did Nintendo throw if any for an exclusive deal? This would be the equivalent to snatching up CoD in the west.

 

[encephalon]

Vita doesn't get MH because Vita doesn't sell well enough to justify it. Vita doesn't sell well enough to justify it because Vita doesn't get MH. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the best way to save the Vita is for Sony to moneyhat something.

Sometimes I wonder if the Vita didn't carry PSP success because Sony had some sort of 3rd party relations disaster we don't know about a la Nintendo 64.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

You heard it here 2 games are coming out..it's a wrap.

I think he means MH clones as a replacement for no MH for vita for him personally? Vita does have more than 2 games coming out ya know .

 

[TheNatural]

You know MH being exclusive on 3DS has got to be the biggest betrayalthon in gaming. PSP carried MH to the series that it is today and MH pushed PSP sales sky high. What in the world happened between Sony and Capcom here? What kind of money did Nintendo throw if any for an exclusive deal? This would be the equivalent to snatching up CoD in the west.

3DS is actually capable of a decent 3D graphics engine, while original DS could only put up weak ass PSONE level power at best. If Capcom had their choice they would probably put it on the OG DS if it was capable of it.

These are things I've thought two years before 3DS and Vita releases. Sony's sole advantage with the PSP is dead, and so goes it's successor.

 

[ArtHands]

You know MH being exclusive on 3DS has got to be the biggest betrayalthon in gaming. PSP carried MH to the series that it is today and MH pushed PSP sales sky high. What in the world happened between Sony and Capcom here? What kind of money did Nintendo throw if any for an exclusive deal? This would be the equivalent to snatching up CoD in the west.

RE4 and FF13

 

[Off-Kilter]

All I really want is a native PS4 version.

 

[jwhit28]

Sometimes I wonder if the Vita didn't carry PSP success because Sony had some sort of 3rd party relations disaster we don't know about a la Nintendo 64.

I think it's just as simple as DS not being able to do Monster Hunter well enough. It's not that Capcom preferred the PSP, it's that it was the best fit. The Monster Hunter series is at heart a very conservative series and seems to fit in with Nintendo's ideals more. Especially the portable games and the fact that they rather force local multiplayer. That is a very Nintendo thing to do.

 

[Takao]

RE4 and FF13

PS3 still got Final Fantasy XIII, as did Gamecube with RE4. Vita's not guaranteed to ever get a Monster Hunter. Which is insane if you think about, as it would be the only video game platform on sale in Japan without one.

 

[Emitan]

PS3 still got Final Fantasy XIII, as did Gamecube with RE4. Vita's not guaranteed to ever get a Monster Hunter. Which is insane if you think about, as it would be the only video game platform on sale in Japan without one.

It's not really insane to develop a game only where it makes sense.

 

[Qvoth]

i bet within 3 years there's going to be at least 1 MH game in vita

 

[flippedb]

PS3 still got Final Fantasy XIII, as did Gamecube with RE4. Vita's not guaranteed to ever get a Monster Hunter. Which is insane if you think about, as it would be the only video game platform on sale in Japan without one.

Because there are just two video game platforms in Japan? It will be the same as last gen, DS never got a MonHun.

i bet within 3 years there's going to be at least 1 MH game in vita

I guess PSP ports count, to some extent.

 

[encephalon]

I think it's just as simple as DS not being able to do Monster Hunter well enough. It's not that Capcom preferred the PSP, it's that it was the best fit. The Monster Hunter series is at heart a very conservative series and seems to fit in with Nintendo's ideals more. Especially the portable games and the fact that they rather force local multiplayer. That is a very Nintendo thing to do.

Monster Hunter debuted on the PS2.

 

[Man God]

DQ VII was a wrong only righted this year.

FF VII-XIV still needs to check in back home.

 

[vareon]

You know MH being exclusive on 3DS has got to be the biggest betrayalthon in gaming. PSP carried MH to the series that it is today and MH pushed PSP sales sky high. What in the world happened between Sony and Capcom here? What kind of money did Nintendo throw if any for an exclusive deal? This would be the equivalent to snatching up CoD in the west.

This is when we think MH on PSP is some sort of "allegiance". PSP was the best platform for Monster Hunter at that time and it was released in a perfect time. At this time, Capcom thinks (whatever their reasoning is) 3DS is the best platform for MH right now, so that's where it is.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

PS3 still got Final Fantasy XIII, as did Gamecube with RE4. Vita's not guaranteed to ever get a Monster Hunter. Which is insane if you think about, as it would be the only video game platform on sale in Japan without one.

Yeah makes those saying Vita would never get one because of sales a little silly when 360 has.

 

[Korezo]

Vita doesn't get MH because Vita doesn't sell well enough to justify it. Vita doesn't sell well enough to justify it because Vita doesn't get MH. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the best way to save the Vita is for Sony to moneyhat something.

Sometimes I wonder if the Vita didn't carry PSP success because Sony had some sort of 3rd party relations disaster we don't know about a la Nintendo 64.

Vita has 2 years and Sony only made like 3 games for it that weren't ps3 ports? Even Sony not making vita games, just strait ports.

 

[jwhit28]

Monster Hunter debuted on the PS2.

Well you need online for console versions.

 

[encephalon]

Well you need online for console versions.

Which matters why?

Yeah makes those saying Vita would never get one because of sales a little silly when 360 has.

There's a 360 MH? It has to be some sort of relation issue.

 

[Emitan]

There's a 360 MH? It has to be some sort of relation issue.

It's a port of Monster Hunter Frontier. The Asia only "MMO".

 

[Takao]

Because there are just two video game platforms in Japan? It will be the same as last gen, DS never got a MonHun.

Huh?

360 - Monster Hunter Frontier
PS3 - Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD
PSP - A lot
Wii U - Monster Hunter Tri G HD
Wii - Monster Hunter G, Monster Hunter Tri
3DS - Monster Hunter Tri G, Monster Hunter 4

PSVita - Nothing

DS has been discontinued so I don't count that anymore, even if it wasn't DS never got an MH because it couldn't run one. Vita can run a Monster Hunter.

Vita has 2 years and Sony only made like 3 games for it that weren't ps3 ports? Even Sony not making vita games, just strait ports.

wut

 

[Napalm_Frank]

There's a 360 MH? It has to be some sort of relation issue.

Yeah there is. I dunno the details tho since I don't really follow the series.

 

[Father_Brain]

Vita doesn't get MH because Vita doesn't sell well enough to justify it. Vita doesn't sell well enough to justify it because Vita doesn't get MH. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like the best way to save the Vita is for Sony to moneyhat something.

Trying to moneyhat a major third-party exclusive and successfully moneyhatting a major third-party exclusive are two very different things. Even before either platform launched, 3DS had the twin benefits of a lower budget ceiling and (more importantly) the presumption that it would sell significantly better than a PSP successor; there's only so much that money can do to neutralize those advantages.

 

[Jinfash]

i bet within 3 years there's going to be at least 1 MH game in vita

Me too, and calling it right now, it's going to be a spin-off browser game.

 

[TheSeks]

What HAS Capcom put out on the Vita?

Ultimate Rerelease within 9 months 3: Fate of rebuying the same damn fighting game a third time.

And

Street vs Juggle. That's it.

 

[FoneBone]

This is when we think MH on PSP is some sort of "allegiance". PSP was the best platform for Monster Hunter at that time and it was released in a perfect time. At this time, Capcom thinks (whatever their reasoning is) 3DS is the best platform for MH right now, so that's where it is.

Exactly. This notion that the series "should" have been on Vita were it not for some sort of intervention by Nintendo requires a world where all business decisions are made through fanboy goggles.

 

[Qvoth]

I guess PSP ports count, to some extent.

obviously vita will have mhp4 or mhp4g or mhv4 or whatever they'll call it
just a matter of time

 

[Emitan]

obviously vita will have mhp4 or mhp4g or mhv4 or whatever they'll call it
just a matter of time

Obviously? Why would they put it on Vita when they could put it on 3DS?

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Obviously? Why would they put it on Vita when they could put it on 3DS?

Or both.

Or Wii U or PS3 or PS4.

 

[serplux]

obviously vita will have mhp4 or mhp4g or mhv4 or whatever they'll call it
just a matter of time

A long, long time ago...I can still remember how that music used to make me smile...

 

[Emitan]

Or both.

It's not going to be multiplatform. That would be the worst thing they could do.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

It's not going to be multiplatform. That would be the worst thing they could do.

Slightly different versions for all for maximum cashgrabs.

 

[Father_Brain]

Me too, and calling it right now, it's going to be a spin-off browser game.

If Capcom brings anything else to the platform at this point, no matter how small-scale, I'd be surprised.

Then again, I would have said the same thing of SE until a month or so ago (aside from the probably-contractually-obligated-at-this-point FFX HD), and they just announced/released a Vita version of one of their more popular F2P games.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I bet it'll still happen at some point. Maybe not in the next year or something, but they'll probably put a spin-off at the VERY least on the Vita.

It's a very viable platform for a franchise like that. Just the install-base is total shit...

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I bet it'll still happen at some point. Maybe not in the next year or something, but they'll probably put a spin-off at the VERY least on the Vita.

It's a very viable platform for a franchise like that. Just the install-base is total shit...

I think if it happens it will be next year. Definately not this year and who knows if Vita is still in the undead state in 2015+

If Capcom brings anything else to the platform at this point, no matter how small-scale, I'd be surprised.

Funny thing is MH is the ONLY game I see Capcom bringing to Vita cause that is the only game that will practically guarantee them sales. RE would do nothing and neither their fighting game ports or whatever. The thing is tho that as this thread has shown Capcom is impossible to predict with these kinda things. Sometimes they just do these exclusives sometimes even if it doesn't make sense but at the same time they are like the portlords of the industry.

 

[Sentenza]

I really don't care about Vita personally, but every time I read Capcom talking about their plans, it sounds pretty much "We are not planning anything of what our fans want at the moment".

 

[DR2K]

This is when we think MH on PSP is some sort of "allegiance". PSP was the best platform for Monster Hunter at that time and it was released in a perfect time. At this time, Capcom thinks (whatever their reasoning is) 3DS is the best platform for MH right now, so that's where it is.

I know exclusivity was off the table when 3DS finally became capable of MH, but completely ignoring the Vita just seems like the biggest brush off I can think of. Not that I want the series on any platform, but their actions make no sense.

 

[Jinfash]

If Capcom brings anything else to the platform at this point, no matter how small-scale, I'd be surprised.

I meant an HTML5 game that can be played through the Vita's browser lol.

 

[encephalon]

Trying to moneyhat a major third-party exclusive and successfully moneyhatting a major third-party exclusive are two very different things. Even before either platform launched, 3DS had the twin benefits of a lower budget ceiling and (more importantly) the presumption that it would sell significantly better than a PSP successor; there's only so much that money can do to neutralize those advantages.

With the talk of Versus being co developed by Sony, what about something like Sony working with Square on something like Final Fantasy Type 1? I think That would probably help.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I meant an HTML5 game that can be played through the Vita's browser lol.

Well that is one game 3DS won't be seeing! hyuck hyuck!


...I'll see myself out.

 

[Father_Brain]

I know exclusivity was off the table when 3DS finally became capable of MH, but completely ignoring the Vita just seems like the biggest brush off I can think of. Not that I want the series on any platform, but their actions make no sense.

Because, rightly or wrongly (probably rightly, but whatever), they saw 3DS as providing a larger potential audience for the franchise, and going multiplatform would split the userbase, a huge problem for a portable game whose popularity is almost entirely founded on local multiplayer. It's not that complicated.

With the talk of Versus being co developed by Sony, what about something like Sony working with Square on something like Final Fantasy Type 1? I think That would probably help.

SE announced (relatively) big-budget exclusives for DS (FFIII), PSP (CC:FFVII), and 3DS (KH3D) before any of those platforms launched. Given how Vita has sold and that they have yet to announce a single comparable exclusive for the platform, I don't think it's on the table regardless of what incentives Sony might try to offer.

Square Enix won't even release Type-0 on Vita.

I suspect that it was originally intended to be up-ported to Vita and released exclusively for that platform outside Japan, but I doubt we'll ever get the full story.

 

[serplux]

Well that is one game 3DS won't be seeing! hyuck hyuck!


...I'll see myself out.