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It's not really a technicality. It's the heart of what piracy is: downloading and/or distributing a copy of a title that was not authorized by the owner of the copyright.
If you download a copy made for you by the people with the right to make copies, you're not pirating.
This is kind of what happens when a "pirated" version is released within minutes of the store's opening.
Good job cannibalizing your own sales to make a point about piracy, guys. Really, stellar work.
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well played. Funny to see how pirates are such hypocrites and whine about their "game" being pirated.
Well:
One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
They didnt pirate it.
Their intention was to pirate it. The fact that the devs outsmarted holds little value in the context.
PS: In other words, you can't think this is the only game they ever "tried to pirate".
Copyright infringement is a legal construct. So whether the actions of a person who downloaded the cracked version from a torrent were breaking the law, depends on arguments that would have to be made by lawyers in court. It's pointless to try and have an armchair discussion about that here.They didnt pirate it.
Again:
Thing is... THEY uploaded a version of the game that is restricted and obviously not the full version.
Honest question here, isnt it technically a demo as well? As I see it, they now have 2 different demos out there. I dont see any reason to call it a "pirated" version instead of a demo. Super quick non-academic look up of the definition of pirating:
Doesnt apply here. People downloaded it with the INTENTION of pirating, but that doesnt make it pirating if its actually legal.
Copyright infringement is a legal construct. So whether the actions of a person who downloaded the cracked version from a torrent were breaking the law, depends on arguments that would have to be made by lawyers in court. It's pointless to try and have an armchair discussion about that here.
Piracy, especially around here, is usually considered more of a moral crime separate from what is legal. So there is no "technically" because morality is subjective.
Game Dev Tycoon has you develop engines. I just played the demo and sucked at it. My best selling game pushed 20k on theNTES. ;_;
There's no point in inventing a new game engine because the revolutionary game made out of it will get pirated and I will not be able to cover my expenses.
I'd like to point out that this isn't a new idea.
Nintendo have been using this exact same kind of DRM that subtly breaks their games since the original DS released to deter piracy (it obviously wasn't effective lol R4 card)
There is no moral crime here. People downloaded a free version offered by the dev that is basically an extended demo (as in: not the full game). Some guys saying that the INTENTION is making it morally bad is quite the stretch.
It really is too bad that they already revealed this.
SE also had some creative anti piracy measures. For example, in Dragon Quest V you couldn't get off a boat at the beginning of the game and in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates a thank you message would pop up and the game would freeze.
Thing is... THEY uploaded a version of the game that is restricted and obviously not the full version.
Honest question here, isnt it technically a demo as well? As I see it, they now have 2 different demos out there. I dont see any reason to call it a "pirated" version instead of a demo. Super quick non-academic look up of the definition of pirating:
if I take something that I believe to be a knife and try to stab someone only to find that it was actually a flexible rubber prop knife, I didn't try to commit murder?
That's your opinion. Each person will have their own opinion about what is right and wrong. You can easily find varied opinions on morality and piracy even without this complication.There is no moral crime here. People downloaded a free version offered by the dev that is basically an extended demo (as in: not the full game).
Attempted murder is a crime, sure. Havent heard of "attempted piracy" yet, but feel free to find the judicial case of someone being legally judged for "attempted piracy" and get back to me.
That's your opinion. Each person will have their own opinion about what is right and wrong. You can easily find varied opinions on morality and piracy even without this complication.
Personally, as far as the downloaders' morality is concerned I don't think the identity of the torrent's uploader matters since they were unaware of it. Police do this all the time with stings of various sorts. If you attempt to commit a crime and it just so happens that what you did turned out to not be a crime, does it make what you did OK? (forgetting that committing a crime in and of itself is not wrong)
The sales of the W8 version should be better. It is also available since January.
So like, what happens to the company you steal your game idea from? Is that in the game?
really funny idea though, absolutely loled at the forum posts
Can you give me an example of what the police is doing exactly? They are usually trying to see whether someone is commiting a crime, dont they? I cant see them arresting someone for doing something legal (like "stealing" a biscuit offered for free).
They have people pose at prostitutes. When a person offers to buy sex from the undercover officer, they are arrested. Because soliciting sex is a crime, even though no sex takes place. Soliciting is not wrong in their eyes, sex for money is wrong. The only reason soliciting is a crime is so they can catch people doing it.Can you give me an example of what the police is doing exactly? They are usually trying to see whether someone is commiting a crime, dont they? I cant see them arresting someone for doing something legal (like "stealing" a biscuit offered for free).
yeah, but I couldn't even physically harm the person and they can't prove my intention was to kill them, right? As it was a prop, it can't be determined. Same here because the version was altered and released by the devs.
They have people pose at prostitutes. When a person offers to buy sex from the undercover officer, they are arrested. Because soliciting sex is a crime, even though no sex takes place. Soliciting is not wrong in their eyes, sex for money is wrong. The only reason soliciting is a crime is so they can catch people doing it.
Police will place a wallet or purse on the ground somewhere (train station, subway, sidewalk, etc) with money in it. They watch. If a person picks up the wallet and takes out money, they arrest them. In some cases they will arrest a person who simply picks up the wallet, even if the person simply intended to try and find the owner.
Here's an article discussing some particularly egregious methods that police use. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/critics_bash_nypds_anti-theft.html
If you read my post, it contains more than that. I was simply answering your question about how police conduct sting operations."When a person offers to buy sex", that person did something illegal, didnt he? So he gets arrested for actually doing something illegal. Dont see the comparison to the case at hand here, where people actually did something legal.
This is sheer genius. These guys release a free demo, their main game is DRM free and only $8 dollars, can be installed on any platform, and yet over 90% of all players of their game are pirates.
It's clear that people will always try and get something for free, rather than paying for it.
What the devs did is ingenious though.
If you read my post, it contains more than that. I was simply answering your question about how police conduct sting operations.
Placing a wallet on the ground is very analogous to placing a torrent on pirate bay. Just because it's sitting there with nobody around doesn't mean it's free to take.
Attacking a person is a crime in itself no matter with which weapon, and that is what you get judged for. Just downloading a program that is freely offered is not a crime by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, the people might be pirates overall, but just them downloading a free demo (I mean it IS a demo. The game is limited to not be the full version) is not making that one deed illegal.
Doesnt change anything about the opinion on these people, but the question here is whether its perfectly fine to download that version of the game. Which it seems to be.
how do you determine i was attacking if the knife is a prop? Am I attacking you if i blow air to your face? For all we know it could be a joke. maybe if done on public it would be a disruption of safety but that's about it.
PS: Toma, we're not arguing that it's pirating on the legal level, as the definition of piracy is country based. In Spain it means to provide the game and make income out of it. But on the moral side of things, it's pretty much piracy
So like, what happens to the company you steal your game idea from? Is that in the game?
But if the devs release a version of the game for free, would you actually be pirating the game if you download it?
If the definition of piracy is copyright infringement, but the copy of the game that is being distributed was created by the copyright HOLDER, and distributed by them, the people receiving the game would not be guilty of copyright infringement.
It's not the delivery method that makes a game pirated, it's the fact that the copy is unauthorized.
So the funny thing is that people playing this version of the game, made and distributed by the developers of Game Dev Tycoon, are NOT pirates.
Okay, how about changing the intent. What if I downloaded the version of the game with the intent of treating it as it is (as a demo, which it is since its not the full version of the game). Would you still call me a pirate?
just tried the demo.
its like an uncharismatic version of game dev story
pretty wonky/bland too
Wrong. Just the intention to do something illegal doesnt make it illegal. If a shop offers free biscuits and a thief is stealing it thinking they werent free, then he didnt do something illegal.
The person is question is certainly not a morally good one, but he did not do something illegal in this particular case.
Sure, they are pirates, but downloading THIS particular game is apparently perfectly fine.
If you downloaded it now that it's known, i wouldn't consider you a pirate at all. Just someone curious to see how they implemented this antipiracy method.
Trying to steal something that is free is attempted theft where I live and, yes, the intent matters.
That's what I thought was the genius part about it. Amazing! If they made the process a bit more expanded, man it could easily go for game of the gen just for that bit alone.Hah, that's great. I love how that pirate's post reads exactly like a real dev's.
They didnt pirate it.
Again:
Thing is... THEY uploaded a version of the game that is restricted and obviously not the full version.
Honest question here, isnt it technically a demo as well? As I see it, they now have 2 different demos out there. I dont see any reason to call it a "pirated" version instead of a demo. Super quick non-academic look up of the definition of pirating:
Doesnt apply here. People downloaded it with the INTENTION of pirating, but that doesnt make it pirating if its actually legal.