Basileus777
Member
It's understandable why this is happening, but that doesn't help the WiiU any because the underlying factors causing these low software sales are unlikely to change.
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PAL Charts - Week 17, 2013
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It's understandable why this is happening, but that doesn't help the WiiU any because the underlying factors causing these low software sales are unlikely to change.
My posting history mostly consists of calling out the likes of you.
And your posting history is much more damning, maybe if I were to go into any Sony related thread and do the same, you might have had a shred of a point.
Let's see how much this is in raw units.
Injustice 360 is on third place and has sold less than Dead Island PS3, which accounts for 26% of Dead Island sales.
26% of 62,000 are 16,120 copies, let's be optimistic and take this as the best case scenario for the 360 version, which makes up for 58% of Injustice sales.
As a consequence, Injustice's maximum sales across all platforms for this week are 27,793 units.
4% of that are 1,111 units for the Wii U version, in an absolute best case scenario. It's most likely under 1'000 units.
That's not much, regardless of install base.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Seems about right.
shinra-bansho
Member
We don't have percentage drops for this week.
But for the sake of elaboration, Injustice sales were supposed to be around UFC3 i.e. ~30-40K, so let's take 35K on the PS3 and 360.
Let's say Injustice showed a relatively typical second week fall of ~70% on those platforms to ~10K.
That would make the Wii U SKU's sales around 400 units.
The other thing to note, is that game sales don't necessarily increase EDIT: linearly with installed base.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I mean if you actually admit to and seem proud of being part of a defence force, what more can be offered up really?
You don't need to actually enter a Sony thread to throw fire at the Vita it seems after your exemplary performance in the 3DSXL Charger thread, where outta nowhere:
I'm discussing sales in a UK sales thread where week after week, month after month its become easily apparent third parties will be absolutely shocked at the non existent uptake of their software on a new platform. This isn't "doomsaying", this is reality.
Super easy to find here in Germany. I can#t find a copy of Luigi's Mansion though. Can we trade?
test_account
XP-39C²
Sorry, i forgot to answer this earlier. Hehe, well, i honestly wonder why they decided to ship the WiiU version of Injustice one week after the PS3 and Xbox 360 version. Is it possible that it was a one week delay on printing the WiiU discs?
More people own a Xbox 360, so it is more likely that more people will buy the Xbox 360 version.
yes because pointing out hypocrisy is the same as goign in attack mode in other threads right?
I guess being a defender is considered worse then being an attacking troll constantly hyperboling.
Your posting history consist of you defending the same multi-billion company from any criticism (valid or not) and saying "but your post history is worse!" is pretty childish. Before calling someone out you should look at yourself.
grimshawish
Banned
UK sales thread? Uhmmmm...
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Wheres the hyperbole? Saying third parties will be cancelling projects because they're not entirely pleased with selling 500-1000 copies of their new expensively budgeted videogame in a leading market?
The situation is just that bad right now. You yourself know that, but youre letting personal feelings get in the way of actually accepting it. Sales charts is the logic zone, check your heartstrings at the door.
from any critisism? LOL
I don't attack everyone who can bring valid arguments, I attack the same subset of trolls that are well known here on GAF, subtle difference.
Basileus777
Member
Bringing up posting history is not going to accomplish anything here. You might as well deal with the issue at hand.
Majmun
Member
freezamite
Banned
I disagree with this. What is preventing the WiiU to sell more is lack of exclusive games. Once those games are released, the system will see its sales increased, that's how it works.
For now, it's competing with systems that are cheaper and have a huge catalogue of games without having anything that can put it above the others. Maybe ZombiU and NSMBU, but that's not enough by any means.
Give it a few months so more games can be released for the system, and let's see how the market reacts to this.
Third party support will surely increase over the next months once PS4/Durango are put on sale and PS3/360 will be left behind.
Regards!
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
The Wii U is doing terrible in Europe and there is no software releasing in the near future that will change that.
grimshawish
Banned
To be fair Smoky - it is 5th.
4% is not substantial but I don't think its quite 'dire'. Flawed ofc to say 'but the userbase in tiny' when the userbase is light on new releases; but you can't expect it to be everyones cup of tea.
Am actually surprised how well Injustice has done; with the likes of Luigi holding strong, FE having a good european launch - I think above Wii U, third parties are going to be turning their attention to the 3DS. We know something like Injustice could be done on it, and I suspect it would have sold rather well too.
Wonder what 3DS hardware sales are like; am not sure there will ever be such a heavy 2 months of releases. Very good for Lego though.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
A 3DS Injustice would have taken developing an entirely exclusive new game for it assets and all, not a port. I'm not seeing third party stuff other than Nintendo published/Lego doing great in that market to warrant western third parties undivided attention.
Mario 3D and Mario Kart held strong too. And Injustice would have bombed just as bad on 3DS.
This month we have other 2 good releases saleswise: PMD and Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D. Then, June it's Animal Crossing month.
Katana_Strikes
Member
It's nice to see some different games selling well on the 3DS than just Mario and Mario Kart everytime.
Injustice did horribly on the WiiU. It's not even in the value charts, so numbers must have been extremely low. There are reasons, but it still paints a terrible portrait of 3rd party sales on the console and the future support it might get.
Even Deadly Premonition managed to chart well above it. A 2 and a half year "port" of a cult "classic".
Injustice did horribly on the WiiU. It's not even in the value charts, so numbers must have been extremely low. There are reasons, but it still paints a terrible portrait of 3rd party sales on the console and the future support it might get.
Even Deadly Premonition managed to chart well above it. A 2 and a half year "port" of a cult "classic".
Some chap bought NSMBU yesterday. There was an article about it in Metro.
I missed the Swedish numbers update last week. Fire Emblem effectively being #1 here (#3 after PSN Voucher & WoW Game Card) is really surprising to me. I mean I couldn't find it in any stores I went to on Saturday (had to order online) but I just thought we got a small shipment or something. It's also the only 3DS game on the list this week which makes it even more surprising, since Sweden doesn't seem to like the 3DS that much. Not even Luigi's Mansion is on there. Anecdotally I could find Luigi's Mansion in almost every store I went to look for Fire Emblem at. Sweden hates Luigi confirmed? LM debuted at #7 here apparently, but it also went against Bioshock Infinite and Sly Cooper so I wouldn't expect it to be higher than that. But it dropped rather quickly after that. They should really stop counting those vouchers though. It just waters out the lists since they're always #1 and #2 pretty much.
I expect FE to drop out of the Swedish charts this week though since there probably hasn't been a new shipment yet looking at online store stocks. Only a few stores has any and the others won't have any new copies for some weeks it seems. Also the new high profile releases will likely push it down. Will be interesting.
I expect FE to drop out of the Swedish charts this week though since there probably hasn't been a new shipment yet looking at online store stocks. Only a few stores has any and the others won't have any new copies for some weeks it seems. Also the new high profile releases will likely push it down. Will be interesting.
shinra-bansho
Member
I don't know where this notion is coming from at all.
The PS3 and 360 still selling are likely why the Wii U is still getting the few ports it does.
When developers shift entirely to next gen, they won't have a 360 SKU they can cheaply port to the Wii U.
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guggnichso
Banned
Why is everyone still pointing out, that software on the Wii U has abysmal sales? The Wii U has abysmal sales, and as long as there are very few Wii U consoles out there, software sales on that consoles will be minimal.
I don't think we have to talk about this every single week until Nintendo brings out their heavy hitters and Wii U sales start to rise.
I don't think we have to talk about this every single week until Nintendo brings out their heavy hitters and Wii U sales start to rise.
Thats a very long time away!!
Katana_Strikes
Member
So we should just forget about the WiiU until September/October?
Well I guess Nintendo has, so it's fair enough
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The reality is far worse in that its most likely anywhere between 500-1000. This is the exact same problem Activision was facing with COD selling like 300 units a week early on, and whatever the low ass number Criterion enjoyed.
Thats why none of this is hyperbole, these numbers are just clear "kill all WiiU support dead, thing is stillborn" activators. Some theoretical future where Mario Kart in November jumpstarts the entire platform with an audience that also buys third party games on Nintendo platforms just isn't a calculated risk any sane person will take.
guggnichso
Banned
Well, what do you want to do otherwise? Rehash the same old posts every week again and again? Because that#s basically what this amounts to. We all could basically make some posting templates, or copy'n'paste out posts over to the new thread every week. *shrug*
electroplankton
Banned
Business decisions were a bit against the game, though.
We have to consider the context; just think about it a second:
-released one week later all the other versions
-UK, where Wii U is doing even worse than in other PAL territories
-Wii U userbase is low
-sort of new IP
You know, these points all sound good and fine in theory, but when it sold only a thousand units (if even that) while the other versions are doing more than 10x that in their second week it's pretty clear that the average Wii U owner isn't the market for that type of game.
Also, I'm not sure if it's really a big problem that it's releasing one week late. You hear from a lot of Wii U owners that they'd rather get that version instead of the others, and 7 more days isn't really a long wait.
guggnichso
Banned
- Most important online functionality (inviting and playing against your friendlist buddies) not included. Probability of addition via patch uncertain.
But well, I bought it, and I can play Ranked matches online without having to wait more than 10 seconds for a new challenger, so I'm not disappointed.
However, Wii U's problems will not be fixed by 3rd parties, and Nintendo will have to get the sales for their console going by themselves. And they have to do so fast. They managed to turn the 3DS sales around, now let them put some effort into the Wii U (they should have done this from the start).
Ok, that's my statement regarding the Wii U until september
No but seriously, why the fuck would you buy any game with an online mode on Wii U if you already have a 360 or a ps3? (which is likely for almost everyone buying videogames)
Your friends are all there.
That's the flaw of Nintendo's willingness to receive the same support than its competitors.
Unless the thing starts to sell in the hundred of thousands rapidly, or it receives a version of PS4/720 games, multiplat games are doomed to boot.
Blops2 was a nice thing to port I guess, but no way it would have sold bajillions.
Your friends are all there.
That's the flaw of Nintendo's willingness to receive the same support than its competitors.
Unless the thing starts to sell in the hundred of thousands rapidly, or it receives a version of PS4/720 games, multiplat games are doomed to boot.
Blops2 was a nice thing to port I guess, but no way it would have sold bajillions.
electroplankton
Banned
Wii U is not a market for late and lazy portings? Glad you discovered this.
Edit: I mean, just think how much could have sold ME Collection on Wii U, instead of a lazy, though good, porting of ME3. Or, for example, NFSMW released as a launch game. Or instead of Deus Ex, Tom Raider. Not million of units, but it could have been a good start. Now we're in the cycle:
-develop lazy porting
-gamers don't buy them obviously
-companies complain why they failed
-no more games
Basileus777
Member
The quality of the ports doesn't seem to matter much.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I love this continual painting of the WiiU audience as these ultra snobs, the hardcore princes and princesses of gaming that will never lower themselves to such efforts because they are far too busy playing everything else on the system.
The reality is its not a market for anyone but Nintendo's own published properties.
If it doesn't the lateness of them do.
electroplankton
Banned
It's not exactly the quality. It's that you're selling old games, often at full price, to people that probably already played them elsewhere, or they could find them cheaper. Early Wii U adopters are likely to have either PS3 or 360, so why they should buy a 2 year old Deus Ex, a ME3 when elsewhere there's the collection, etc.?
You completely missinterpret what I wrote.
Wii U audience is likely to already have an HD platform. Or a PC. Selling one, even two year old porting is stupid, because you're selling a full price game to people that already had the occasion to buy it elsewhere, cheaper.
Do you think that a porting of Tomb Raider on PS4 will do wonders?
Straight Right are probably going to be rolling in their sleep once Deus Ex hits. As good as that port looks it's probably going to tank like a motherfucker and we'll all be back singing the "wasted effort" tune, which is a shame since both them and Criterion are going some good lengths in making their games into slightly compelling re-releases.
These things are built for a user base that just doesn't exist yet and Nintendo are the ones who are going to have to fix that. Of course for late ports there might never be a base for such. I can only imagine Injustice Wii U is doing better in America where it was a simultaneous launch.
It's also going to be interesting to see how Splinter Cell Blacklist performs on the console. It's the first simultaneous multiplatform launch that's going to happen after Nintendo puts out a few key titles and hopefully expand their user base.
These things are built for a user base that just doesn't exist yet and Nintendo are the ones who are going to have to fix that. Of course for late ports there might never be a base for such. I can only imagine Injustice Wii U is doing better in America where it was a simultaneous launch.
It's also going to be interesting to see how Splinter Cell Blacklist performs on the console. It's the first simultaneous multiplatform launch that's going to happen after Nintendo puts out a few key titles and hopefully expand their user base.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Because Off TV Play is a "killer feature" and Nintendo created their entire new console under the assumption that it would be?
If Nintendo can't offer 360/PS3 gamers a compelling reason to play multi-plats on their system, then thats their problem. NFS was the definitive version, Injustice is merely one week late, but the WiiU audience doesn't care.
In comparison, when cross-gen games launch on PS4 and Xbox 720, the improved graphics, social functions, and things like streaming and recording will make for incentives for people to buy those games on those new platforms despite being on the old ones. No such luck for WiiU as the market has decided the GamePad is an irrelevant value add and it doesnt have enough horsepower for a defining leap in graphical quality.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Damn, you should have been on the Nintendo marketing team to tell them that 3rd party ports wouldn't sell for shit since almost everyone that buys a Wii U will already have a current gen console to play said games on.
How is Injustice a late and lazy port? It's the very definition of a multiplat game, same content as the other versions.
electroplankton
Banned
Why would PS360 owners buy a new platform for games that they can play on the device they already have, and why not, at a cheaper price?
It's not that one game or two released well (Call of Duty, for example) can offset all the other poor efforts.
shinra-bansho
Member
Under your premise, there is no point in creating Wii U SKUs.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
In comparison, when cross-gen games launch on PS4 and Xbox 720, the improved graphics, social functions, and things like streaming and recording will make for incentives for people to buy those games on those new platforms despite being on the old ones. No such luck for WiiU as the market has decided the GamePad is an irrelevant value add and it doesnt have enough horsepower for a defining leap in graphical quality.
Nintendo created a new console in 2012 that was competing with 2006 consoles. When you play against the cutting edge technology game, if you're not lucky enough to have a casual fad behind you, this is the result. No value incentive to play cross-gen titles, no value incentive because youre not getting exclusives, no value incentive because it doesnt stand out from budget prices boxes available now.
Its going to be very interesting watching the over under on cross-gen titles like Destiny, Watch_dogs and more.
frankie_baby
Member
Well its released a week late for some unknown reason and the online multiplayer is missing some pretty important features (though apparently it will be patched at some point)