And this hurts you how?
History seems to always repeat itself, and all that.
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Polygon Rumor: Xbox 720 DRM, Achievements, Friendslist, and Share feature info
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And this hurts you how?
History seems to always repeat itself, and all that.
BlastProcessing
Member
Extrinsic systems have been a part of gaming since the beginning. My parents got into vicious Pacman High Score battles back in the day. Earning my way onto an Arcade high score page was my primary motivation for pumping quarters into machines.
Extrinsic systems are in many ways, more compelling than intrinsic systems because, when done correctly, they allow the game to break the fourth wall and live outside itself. A game that properly balances intrinsic and extrinsic motivations can be ridiculously compelling.
The best achievements have been ones that encourage players to play in a way that they would not have previously considered. The problem with achievements is 90% of the time they feel like after thoughts.
What makes you think people in asia want it anymore then japan is ?
Winterfang
Banned
No they are not, if anything when done right they can enhance the value of the game.
Just the name alone could help a lot, add some Sega exclusivity like every single the released first and could help.
It's well-known from psychological experiments that providing extrinsic rewards lowers the intrinsic motivation of an activity.
This is an interesting observation. One I don't share, because I feel that the desire to get a high score is shifting the focus on the actual game enjoyment to something outside of it, but if you prefer that, then all the better for you.
I don't understand though. How do they cheapen it when you can just ignore them? I'm not sure if you can turn of notifications all together on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 (should be an option in the next ones) but if you can, then you could (in theory) go through and never even acknowledge them.
They only affect the intrinsic rewards if you let them.
Winterfang
Banned
Now I'm sad that the Sega Spectrum won't be a rebranded nextbox lol. I would totally buy one.
Edit: @Izki yeah you can turn off the notifications. Lots of people do it in let's play videos to not spoil secret achievements.
Edit: @Izki yeah you can turn off the notifications. Lots of people do it in let's play videos to not spoil secret achievements.
I'd rather just have a new SEGA console, but even them rebranding the Nextbox would have been an interesting idea.
They should mess around with them. "New achivement available! Beat the game between 8.30 and 8.43PM GMT next tuesday!
Winterfang
Banned
That reminded me when I got 1000/1000 in RE5.I felt so accomplished by because I didn't cared for Versus Or the DLC, I never achieved completion.
One Vs 100 also had seasonal achievements. And some of them where available only during the actual live show.
I don't mind that in the slightest.
One Vs 100 also had seasonal achievements. And some of them where available only during the actual live show.
I don't mind that in the slightest.
This is true of course, and I have. Although I think the forced nature of them by MS can harm the gameplay because the devs have to work them in somehow, I'm mostly not too bothered. (although I do think the collectathon idea that blights current games is in part due to the popularity of Achievements) I was just stating why I thought achievements were categorically bad.
digoutyoursoul
Member
There is no game built around them
Ninja Moomin
Banned
they had issues with that in Japan with faulty drives after xb1 launched. Some got replaced / recalled.
graywolf323
Member
didn't people used to say that about phones in Japan as well? from what I've read the iPhone proved that to be a fallacy
They may have, but I don't see that being analogous to this situation. Maybe some day an American company will be able to follow the iPhone breaking into the Japanese market, but I really don't know if we'll ever get a console that is as revolutionary as what the iPhone was for the cell market. The iPhone was something that was so revolutionary for its time, it just seems like a very, very special case that is going to be really hard to replicate in the video game space. Could be wrong though.
I was thinking the exact same thing. A lot of this news sounds very similar to PS4.
*rubs beard* I wonder if the share feature was added recently. Is such a thing possible?
except power.
except power.
Probably not. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft has had something similar to what Sony unveiled for quite some time now.
Right. It'll likely just be another repeat of this generation, where the consoles are nearly identical in games they get (sans first-party exclusives) and a somewhat comparable feature-set.
Man... "Xbox 1.5" was such a popular term on gaming forums back in 2005/2006. Forgot all about that.
Funny looking back on it.
Sorry, but adding achievements that can be missed forever is not on. It's already bad enough we have online achievements that can never be achieved given the communities are dead.
I believe it's another reason CoD is as successful as it is. No online achievements. They know what's up.
I believe it's another reason CoD is as successful as it is. No online achievements. They know what's up.
ChosenPredator
Banned
I am curious once these console are out 2-3 years from now what kind of drastic difference will be perceived on the forum. I am glad to be getting both this time as things should be getting more interesting.
It's funnier to see perceptions shift when reality sets in, and how people so easily forget the past and repeat it.
Damn you to the depths of hell. I am one of those prostitutes.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
assuming they do nail it there's going to be some fucking hilarious posts on GAF.
Can. Not. Wait.
Indeed, but it's also gong to be funny because I think a lot of gaming sites and publications have got all mucked up in this as well, much more so compared to 2005 when a lot of gaming press was focused and a little more professional, so it's going to be funny to see just how many people related to all of this just comes up looking foolish.
digoutyoursoul
Member
its going to be chaotic here if they deliver or not. i hope they do impress but no big deal if they fail ,I will just not buy their system
Iacobellis
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Miles Quaritch
Member
Those were indeed great times. The PS3 chalkboard was and still is hilarious.
Very hard time to be on forums if you were interested in the 360 during and after E3 05. Then E3 06 happened, Gears of War dropped and crow was eaten. Yeah you'd think people would learn from that and yet here we are. Not a single game shown for the console, and we're back at the "xbox 1.5" stage.
What was that about?
Impeccable
Member
I'm surprised we haven't seen a Wii U chalkboard.
Was that list "Those games will save PS3 ", included each game had been deleted one by one after terrible sales performance ?
If I'm not totally wrong, it was mentioned in the 2010 MS leak (Yukon?). It's also been in the rumors since that first 720 roadmap leak. It was also brought up on the bombcast a few times, once when discussing the game capturing of COD ("this is what they have to do until the next consoles have this functionality built in") and once when talking about the 720 reveal ("Sony did good by going first, now when MS comes out and says the have game streaming/saving people are going to say "show us something new, Sony already has that").
I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the episodes in front of me. Truthfully I had only heard about game footage capturing in the context of MS so I was surprised to see Sony have it so fleshed out for the reveal. Early on some were speculating that it was one of the reasons for MS to be rumored to set aside so much RAM for the OS, though I think it has more to do with sending different data to different devices, if it's true at all.
There was also the Secret PS3 game that was going to save it.. Pretty sure I saw a chalkboard with that added also.
dragonelite
Member
But Agent?
Me too. Microsoft might be more know for having the preferred multi-platform console, as oppose to being the big exclusive machine, but I expect them to be very aggressive in the first 3 years of the new Xbox with exclusives. They'll go after the hardcore pretty hard out of the gate.
cartoon_soldier
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http://web.archive.org/web/20090308174937/http://www.secretps3game.com/
I made that during those days
Lol. Wait What?? Gaf was ruthless.
"The next Xbox will allow publishers to decide if their games should require an internet connection to be played."
Apparently they have backed-down on the 'always online' then? Not according to What The Tech's Paul Thurrott's sources a couple of days ago. But the rumors are literally trading off, one re-afirming the worse-case rumors, others saying it's not as bad etc, and they are literally day-by-day contradictions at this point. MicroSoft really need to reveal the Xbox and relevant details.
On a related note, if MS ''are'' now matching Sony's policy of letting publishers/devs decide on a game-by-game basis rather than locking-up the entire console, then that is a step upwards in the right direction. But XBL still has the "Gold Issue". It will be interesting to see if Sony are stupid enough to take a step down and start charging for online multilayer in a retooled PS+ service (the rumored PSWorld).
Apparently they have backed-down on the 'always online' then? Not according to What The Tech's Paul Thurrott's sources a couple of days ago. But the rumors are literally trading off, one re-afirming the worse-case rumors, others saying it's not as bad etc, and they are literally day-by-day contradictions at this point. MicroSoft really need to reveal the Xbox and relevant details.
On a related note, if MS ''are'' now matching Sony's policy of letting publishers/devs decide on a game-by-game basis rather than locking-up the entire console, then that is a step upwards in the right direction. But XBL still has the "Gold Issue". It will be interesting to see if Sony are stupid enough to take a step down and start charging for online multilayer in a retooled PS+ service (the rumored PSWorld).
I suspect that most of the rumor-mongers are reading their own interpretations into "always online". The phrase showed up as early as the leaked Xbox document (page 9), but was always used ambiguously.
MaulerX
Member
Wasn't sure if this was already posted but here it goes (from today):
"We want to stand out these points; we keep our word about the always online. Durango wont need internet connection to run games or apps (Games & Apps that you can run without internet, obviously)."
http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-video-sharing-new-friends-system-and-enhanced-achievements-for-durango/
Sounds like VGleaks are adamant and putting their necks on the line against the always online (DRM) rumor.
"We want to stand out these points; we keep our word about the always online. Durango wont need internet connection to run games or apps (Games & Apps that you can run without internet, obviously)."
http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-video-sharing-new-friends-system-and-enhanced-achievements-for-durango/
Sounds like VGleaks are adamant and putting their necks on the line against the always online (DRM) rumor.
I can't understand why people believe the always online rumor at all. MS would not wipe out all the sales they get from people without an Internet connection.
Edge started it, other 'insiders' confirmed it and then a MS employee took to twitter to defend it. For a while there, it looked to be all but officially confirmed.
Good news that VG Leaks is saying its not true. Theyve been pretty good with their predictions/rumors/whatever.
Itll be interesting to see which sources end up being legit on 5/21.