Walter Matthau
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I like games that can be finished in a day, especially when they have high replay value which they often do compared to longer games. I wish more games were made with Platinum's philosophy.
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The Wonderful 101: Kamiya "focus on fun, not length..." [Update: Inaba comments]
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
What is so funny about that in this genre kamiya IS the standard. He and Platinum have proved themselves time after time after time again that they are the defacto dev house for action games.
What are these action games that match your "standard?"
Edit: Did you just call kingdom hearts an action game? are you for real?
Wearing out my gamepad was honestly a concern I had with MH. And still is. My PSP barely survived that series, its R button is pretty messed up.
I'm really hoping W101 is closer to Bayonetta than Vanquish in terms of replayability. Both are great games the first time and mechanically fine, but Vanquish was completely barebones outside of God Hard. Which was...well, too fucking hard. Bayonetta's hard mode was like a whole new game, enemy locations were remixed and EVERYTHING was far more aggressive. But it didn't feel unfair or anything, more like the main game was just there to prepare you for what came after.
I'm buying it either way and I'm sure I'll be happy with it.
they're adorable.
I'm really hoping W101 is closer to Bayonetta than Vanquish in terms of replayability. Both are great games the first time and mechanically fine, but Vanquish was completely barebones outside of God Hard. Which was...well, too fucking hard. Bayonetta's hard mode was like a whole new game, enemy locations were remixed and EVERYTHING was far more aggressive. But it didn't feel unfair or anything, more like the main game was just there to prepare you for what came after.
I'm buying it either way and I'm sure I'll be happy with it.
they're adorable.
Kindom hearts is an action rpg, yes.
Also kamiya is what standard?
Please elaborate, because your going to name bayonetta and then I am just going to say I like dmc3 and 4 better. And then you are going to name MGR , but he didn't have a role in that.
Barrel Cannon
Member
Well replaying Vanquish 3 times was a blast and totally worth me paying full price. It's one of the few games I've bothered replaying multiple times in the past few years.
In retrospect, this is not a bad way to get viral marketing going.
Step 1. Say something vague that will get the internets very upset.
Step 2. Say something slightly less vague that will correct the internets bad perception, and make them happy.
Step 3. Enjoy all the attention you just generated for your game.
Step 1. Say something vague that will get the internets very upset.
Step 2. Say something slightly less vague that will correct the internets bad perception, and make them happy.
Step 3. Enjoy all the attention you just generated for your game.
The first part is so wrong its funny.
But still, I like dmc 3 and 4, so yeah standard.
Why do you all think I want this game to be the longest game ever.
I just want to be reasonable. And what that means for me will be decided when the game is out. It being "kamiya" means nothing to me, their few people in this industry that I will just trust, and Kamiya hasn't earned that trust yet.
Moral Panic
Member
I understand what people are saying, but for me the idea of buying a game and it not even lasting a weekend isn't all that appealing. Probably why my backlog is so big lol.
VeryGooster
Banned
If W101 isn't a very long game, I'm just going to assume it's Kamiya's tweeting that's been prolonging its release. 
And considering how awesome MGR is in its length of time, I'm going to trust Platinum on this one.
And considering how awesome MGR is in its length of time, I'm going to trust Platinum on this one.
guggnichso
Banned
I always imagine Kamiya as a kind of japanese version of Denny Crane.
Inaba nailed it, I would much rather have a shorter and very replayable game than a padded one just to make it longer.
Its why I have replayed games like Vanquish, God Hand, Bayonetta etc. countless times.
DMC4 for example is the perfect (and very embarrassing) example of trying to pad your game just for the sake of making it longer. I fix the problem personally by simply not playing those missions (12-17?) at all and it makes the game feel much better.
Its why I have replayed games like Vanquish, God Hand, Bayonetta etc. countless times.
DMC4 for example is the perfect (and very embarrassing) example of trying to pad your game just for the sake of making it longer. I fix the problem personally by simply not playing those missions (12-17?) at all and it makes the game feel much better.
shiftplusone
Member
Diablo 2 is also an action RPG
I have like 600 hours of Diablo 2
KH length is in comparison, embarrassing.
Standards
Every single one of those games owes as much to Kamiya and Devil May Cry 1 as the 8- and 16-bit platformer flood owed to Super Mario Bros. Hell, Rising was directed by Kenji Saito, who is essentially Kamiya's protégée.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
So a game that's about four to five hours long, and a game that suffers from being too long and padded.
I like the DMC series, but I have no clue what you're even trying to say.
GayForMaster
Banned
Well... Infinite space...? Although that game was really mediocre.
Calamari41
41 > 38
I don't know. Back in the day, I could beat Star Fox 64 in, what, a couple hours? I can't even estimate the pure number of times I played through it, though. I put way more hours into that game than a game like Ocarina of Time. Bring it on.
I WILL FIGHT YOU
although honestly I still have no idea how much of that game Platinum is even responsible for. Don't really care, because I love it either way.
While not sounding like a PR person.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Kamiya is the standard that all other action game developers not named itakagi follow.
Action rpg is not an action game. It is a RPG with action elements. The built of the game is played as an rpg, with battles following an action game template only in attack strings.
DMC birthed the modern action genre, Viewtful joe birthed the type of action game Wonderful 101 is. Bayonetta is basically DMC5.
Not to mention both DMC3 and 4 are short games even with 4s backtracking, So if you are using them as the standard you are either really bad at them or talking out your ass.
Yeah, plus this!
Same, he is ... wonderful!
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Good.
I feel Pikmin 1 is the perfect example of this philosophy, with the sequel suffering from paddening-itis.
I mean, Kamiya must've learned from his own mistakes given how much of a better game Ōkami would have been if cut short of 1/3 of its length.
Give me a fun full-on blast-on game at full throttle for 5 hours and gameplay mechanics and incentives for high replaybility any time of the day against a 30 hours epic with 10 hours of fetch quests in-between.
Then you have the perfect blend of both length and keeping it fresh and interesting for 99% of its length, and that's quite an achievement and so rare that only Resident Evil 4 comes to my mind at the moment (regarding action games of course.) Uncharted 2 came close to that as well.
More than anything, give me difficulty options that fucking MEAN SOMETHING more than facing now bullet sponge enemies and having fewer ammo pickups or whatever, give me different AI behave for starter. Or something like MGS2 at the very least.
I feel Pikmin 1 is the perfect example of this philosophy, with the sequel suffering from paddening-itis.
I mean, Kamiya must've learned from his own mistakes given how much of a better game Ōkami would have been if cut short of 1/3 of its length.
Give me a fun full-on blast-on game at full throttle for 5 hours and gameplay mechanics and incentives for high replaybility any time of the day against a 30 hours epic with 10 hours of fetch quests in-between.
Then you have the perfect blend of both length and keeping it fresh and interesting for 99% of its length, and that's quite an achievement and so rare that only Resident Evil 4 comes to my mind at the moment (regarding action games of course.) Uncharted 2 came close to that as well.
More than anything, give me difficulty options that fucking MEAN SOMETHING more than facing now bullet sponge enemies and having fewer ammo pickups or whatever, give me different AI behave for starter. Or something like MGS2 at the very least.
Girth is better.
WrenchNinja
Member
Nah, no it wouldnt. Also, ten hours of fetch quests? What are you talking about?
I said it will be measured reasonably.
So yes, standards.
Anyways,maybe kamiya will finally give me a reason to trust him.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
Good.
I'm all for more fat-free gaming. Bring it on.
I'm all for more fat-free gaming. Bring it on.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Okami's problem wasn't necessarily length, but pacing. It feels like the game legitimately ends two or three times and you have to fight the same bosses several times - and not in a "Whoa, this is a cool callback" way, but rather in a "Wow, again?" way.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
No and No.....
See if it was DMC 5 the main character wouldn't look like a hot mess, and the world would interest me enough to play again. It can be DMC kinda edition.
WrenchNinja
Member
Yeah, I can understand the issue there. I guess I just I sort of just treat it like three arcs in one huge story. The boss rehashing was lame, I agree, but it is sort of funny being able to completely destroy them in seconds at the end of the game.
ShockingAlberto
Member
You're not very good at arguing a point, are you?
... I responded to things he said.
What are you talking about?
Do.... do I need to break it down or...
By the way I by no means hate the concept of bayonetta, it just I think a bunch of things in the theme of the game and design of the characters seems either boring or bad. Then its its "sort of" closeness to dmc , makes those issues worse than better.
What point? All this shit is subjective. Nothing invalid about what he said. DM3 sure as hell didn't take me 5 hours to beat the first time around either, it had a decent length and offered a great challenge the first time around.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Your response to Bayonetta being a spiritual sequel to DMC is "The world is ugly, so it's not."
Having a huge backlog encouraged the exact opposite for me. I love games that I can be done with in under a week. Especially if they're fun.