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Frostbite Technical Director on why Frostbite never came to Wii U
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A partnership that goes nowhere isn't all that of an unprecedented partnership.
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The Everyman
couldnt it just be super bad wii u sales?
frankie_baby
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decisions on software for this year will have been made before wii u launch
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The Everyman
maybe a lot of internal wii u stuff has been cancelled?
If you were EA would you port to the Wii U if there was significant code changes and cost to do so? This is the same EA that reportedly significantly reduce the amount of games in development. Who knows what the fallout was but even if that didn't happen I could still see them skipping the Wii U at this point in it's life cycle due to install base.
Fredrik
Member
It's Wii situation all over again... But without millions of soccer moms. :/
It'll be interesting to see how long Nintendo can afford to keep WiiU alive. My guess is that they'll either announce a new and more powerful console at E3 2014, with a launch in 2015, or focus on 3DS until next gen in 2018-2020 or so,
darkistheway
Member
comments like that. They are ridiculous.
Ninja Scooter
Member
and the comment I was responding to wasn't?
They would take that into account.
Sales. The hardware sales are poor and they are projected not to get that much better.
The cpu is clocked at 1/3 the speed irrc.
No low level coding right?
frankie_baby
Member
if a porting project was already planned/started it probably wouldn't take much effort/money to finish, the lack of EA games for later this year was likely planned before launch, except madden (and assumedly fifa) which were probably cancelled
Steve Youngblood
Member
Further, I'm curious as to what "extensive experience" entails when we're calling out a public figure whose credentials aren't on question.
No because EA's (along with others) decisions were decided before the Wii U launched. They had to be because November and December saw decent sales as well. It wasn't until the beginning of February were we saw the drop off after the Christmas holiday as that is when the NPD numbers for January came out. It's also when there was no new content for the system and no announcements. So that leaves Feb, March, and April for the bad sales. Those are months when games were releasing and being announced for other systems. Even if sales were bad things could be turned around by the end of the year once Nintendo releases their own games. So why not announced games for the system to help spur sales of the hardware so more copies of the games could be sold months later?
It's arguable that the Wii U sales actual wouldn't be bad if EA and others were actually putting their games on the system. Publishers should know this as well. EA is trying to wield its influence by withholding games. For what reason is anyone's guess. When games that ship over 3 million are still consider failures at worse or disappointing at best the withholding of games only hurt third parties and not Nintendo. It just ensures that when Nintendo releases games those "starved" for new games will buy their games up. They'll be seen as the savior. Why bother with third party games when they do appear later on? There will be no trust or goodwill. For the financial issues Nintendo is currently having they're expanding. EA and others are the ones closing down studios, letting dozens to hundreds of developers go and cutting down on the number of games they make.
So no the lack of games isn't because of the bad Wii U sales. It simply can't be.
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The Everyman
It's Wii situation all over again... But without millions of soccer moms. :/
It'll be interesting to see how long Nintendo can afford to keep WiiU alive. My guess is that they'll either announce a new and more powerful console at E3 2014, with a launch in 2015, or focus on 3DS until next gen in 2018-2020 or so,
even if that were possible, i dont think the market could sustain a console for 5 years after 2015. phones, tablets, and android boxes are going to be insanely powerful by 2017, with PCs, the gaming landscape probably wont be great for closed boxes.
frankie_baby
Member
orbango CPU clockspeeds are lower than ps360, its an almost meaningly metric these days
CoffeeJanitor
Member
This is shocking. I still wonder why things haven't gone how bgassassin and the boys said they would?
no, I'll never forget that thread. Too hilarious
no, I'll never forget that thread. Too hilarious
These. It's simply Nintendo's fault for not creating compelling, powerful hardware that 3rd party developers would've enjoyed. They were so busy focusing on that Gamepad & probably putting so much money into it which isn't even reeling consumers in like with the Wii-mote.
It seems like every generation since the N64, they would always find some screwed up way to alienate 3rd party developers from making games on their platforms, like cartridges & mini-discs. And I thought that they had finally gotten their acts together with this system, but I guess not.
darkistheway
Member
Fair enough.
Can I just fast forward to June? [or better yet the 21st.] The hater's circle-jerk is getting ridiculous. Also as much as everyone rides EA, I'm sure at this point, they were never Nintendo's saviors to begin with.
The WiiU does have what I say.
How about you get over it?
darkistheway
Member
That would be a stretch.
Clock speed isn't everything but when we are talking about clock speeds of what information out there leads me to believe that both the wii u and xbox 360 have a similar type of power PC architecture. I think clock speed becomes a factor.
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The Everyman
im inclined to not disagree with EAs calculations regarding the 3 million shipped thing (is this for mass effect btw?). if there was obvious profit to be had, EA would be on the wii u without a doubt.
They are completely different CPUS and design paradigms. In some ways (floating point code) the IBM PPE wipes the floor with espresso. In other ways (more general purpose code) it is a better CPU.
frankie_baby
Member
the 360 cpu is a very bloated and inefficient design, with general purpose code the wii cpu (at little over a fifth the clockspeed) performed 80% as well, now seeing as the wii u cpu is 70% faster than the wii's and there are 3 cores (along with far more cache and dedicated audio hardware) it smokes the 360 with general purpose code
though as stevie said the 360 is better with floating point, although the gpgpu design of the wii u means some of that can be offloaded to the gpu
Link because there is a lot of shit in this thread already.
........ok.
Honestly, I don't believe those games are going to matter. Nobody cares but the ever-shrinking Nintendo fanbase.
Why won't anyone ask questions like these in actual interviews?
Huh?
Fredrik
Member
We've heard that before... Personally I don't play games on my phone or tablet anymore. I went from buying and playing almost everything talked about on appstore to not even bother trying the biggest games. Can't be the only one.
Plus, Android's insane popularity and piracy is about to kill what's left of serious smart phone gaming. Just watch it.
frankie_baby
Member
cant link right now as incredibly tired, slightly drunk and on my wii u, but its fairly well known info check out the espresso thread, very long read though
lmfao
It's Wii situation all over again... But without millions of soccer moms. :/
It'll be interesting to see how long Nintendo can afford to keep WiiU alive. My guess is that they'll either announce a new and more powerful console at E3 2014, with a launch in 2015, or focus on 3DS until next gen in 2018-2020 or so,
I agree that the U will probably not last the full generation barring a huge turnaround, but it would be incredibly short sighted and risky to rush out a new system just two years after launch. Remember how frequent hardware upgrades worked out for Sega? Yeah.
The best thing Nintendo can do right now is try to minimize their losses on the Wii U while working hard on truly addressing every complaint with their next console.
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The Everyman
for you and i we'll get android/windows living room PCs with dope gfx cards, like the steambox for example. for the casual folk they'll just stream video to the tv off their phones/tablets with wireless controller peripherals.
frankie_baby
Member
yeah i'd expect nintendo's next console maybe early 2017, by then though should be cheap enough to release something well more powerful than orbango but anything more really wont look any better without billion dollar game budgets
i can see a variation of this theory being true. used games are a HUGE problem for EA. i see used sports games being passed around so often. the prices hit rock bottom very fast so i don't think they have legs at all. they could gain plenty of money by restricting access to those games. for one, i don't see any reason why they couldn't block used games on the Wii U as well. however nintendo decided that they didn't want to adopt this practice for their own line of games, so customers are going to resist it till the end. sony/MS could adopt a more hybrid model and have a high digital push right out of the door - making it so consumers will be less resistive towards buying fully digital copies. or maybe they want to turn games like that into a subscription based service. i don't know but i bet they have a much better way to monetize those games in the works. i suppose we'll see what happens when the next consoles hit.
frankie_baby
Member
i'm expecting (could be wrong just my opinion) ms to have a total block on used games and sony to have an optional block on used games, sure the facility kind of exists already with online passes and they would be easy to expand into a full game pass but without some sort of 'official' system i doubt any publisher wants to be seen as the bad guy
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Most people knew that the WiiU is weak old hardware that can´t run modern tech. It´s funny how Nintendo gaf are blaming third parties and EA instead of blaming Nintendo for cheapen out.
Keep telling yourself that. The WiiU is a piece of old tech that Nintendo was too make a modern times console. But keep the blindfolds on. It´s funny how you were saying that the PS4 and Durango will be compared to the WiiU yet the PS4 is in a different stratosphere.
Keep telling yourself that. The WiiU is a piece of old tech that Nintendo was too make a modern times console. But keep the blindfolds on. It´s funny how you were saying that the PS4 and Durango will be compared to the WiiU yet the PS4 is in a different stratosphere.
Technosteve
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I would say look at Call of Duty and it's NPD numbers on Wii U and look at Need for Speed NPD numbers.
Stripper13
Member
I wouldn't pass off personal experience as actual figures/facts... but I completely agree with you.
A year or two ago, I would grab everything off the app stores - either because it was in the top 20/50, or word of mouth. Now I cannot even be bothered looking at the app stores. If I do end up download something, it's generally free (last game was temple run 2 I believe) - and I use it for 5 minutes on the train and then delete it forever.
That and a pretty significant number of people I know pirating Android games - and I just see the bottom falling out of the market. It won't be as severe as we saw with the Wii etc. But there has to be a knock on effect surely.
frankie_baby
Member
i'd be inclined to believe the disney deal would require porting games to nintendo platforms (seeing as historically star wars games have always performed very well on them) but i guess it boils down to if its a one off payment deal for the licence or if it involves royalties from sales
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Hahahahahahahahaha.
frankie_baby
Member
unless call of duty was a bizarrely mismanaged project i'm sure the port was at least profitable, need for speed maybe not yet but might break even eventually
CosmicGroinPull
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shinobi602
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lwilliams3
Member
We know it that the Wii U can at least run CryEngine 3, so your over-the-top statements are a bit flawed.
Also, you are confusing "old-tech" with "lower-powered."
all it takes is a serial code included in the box, regardless of whether it needs online authentication (could be authenticated offline via disk) for consumers to understand that this game is theirs and should not be shared. people understand codes. if there is a serial code in the box, people will protect it. then all EA will have to do is take it half a step further by requiring you to login to your Origin account to complete transaction. bam, no used games and the console technically supports used games. it's the perfect plan to ease consumers in without an outrage.
maybe nintendo does support this system and the reason we're seeing an EA approach the system cautiously is because they want to introduce a system like this globally across all major next-gen consoles at once.
SirIgbyCeaser
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This has not been proven yet. Its just been announced. The call of duty devs and activision are pissed about their wii-u build and its corresponding sales. No cryengine game has been announced for the wii-u, cryengine also claims to support the vita.
Justzisguyukno
Member
Considering these were both late releases, I'm not sure how anyone can expect them to sell well.
lwilliams3
Member
http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/06/9-minutes-of-shadow-of-the-eternals
Even before this, it was stated that Cry Engine 3 was running on the Wii U, and that Crysis 3 was near completion before EA decided not to release it.
The biggest issue that Wii U has right now is its sales, and we will see if Nintendo can turn that around within the few next months.
Projectjustice
Banned
Lol you are still at it.
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