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The last tweet indeed
A partnership that goes nowhere isn't all that of an unprecedented partnership.
The last tweet indeed
Something happened between Nintendo and EA clearly, I just wish we could isolate the truth.
couldnt it just be super bad wii u sales?
decisions on software for this year will have been made before wii u launch
comments like that. They are ridiculous.Give what a rest?
comments like that. They are ridiculous.
They would take that into account.someone should tell him about the edram and gpgpu....
Sales. The hardware sales are poor and they are projected not to get that much better.I cant wait to hear what went down between EA and Nintendo. Might take a few years for it to come out but I am sure it will
The cpu is clocked at 1/3 the speed irrc.Its definitely more than possible in this situation since the Wii U's CPU has more than its fair share of advantages over the 360 and PS3's CPUS such as Out of Order Execution and shorter instruction pipelines than the several generations old cpus in the 360 and PS3. Talented and creative programmers would have no problem getting Frostbite 2 or Frostbite 3 to run well on the Wii U. It just takes a decent understanding of the console's hardware. I sincerely doubt DICE had a firm grasp on the intricacies of the Wii U's hardware when they ran their tests.
I have extensive experience making games using C4 Engine and Unity.
maybe a lot of internal wii u stuff has been cancelled?
No low level coding right?
couldnt it just be super bad wii u sales?
It's Wii situation all over again... But without millions of soccer moms. :/
It'll be interesting to see how long Nintendo can afford to keep WiiU alive. My guess is that they'll either announce a new and more powerful console at E3 2014, with a launch in 2015, or focus on 3DS until next gen in 2018-2020 or so,
The cpu is clocked at 1/3 the speed irrc.
I love Nintendo's games and everything, but we really have to stop with the conspiracy theories.
It's hard for ports of old games to sell on new hardware, but Nintendo should have given developers an attractive system to work with and current generation console owners a reason to upgrade.
It's a shame that so many developers apparently view Nintendo as a laughingstock now, but it's something Nintendo chose to go with when they banked on severely underpowered hardware and a less compelling gimmick.
It's not even just the underpowered hardware and less compelling gimmick that makes it an unattractive system though, Nintendo made some other really stupid decisions and in terms of development environments, are still FAR behind Sony and Microsoft. I'm STILL baffled that those idiots never bothered to release the specs to developers, which meant the developers had no clue how powerful it was and were basically stumbling in the darkness. Say all you want about lazy ports but that kind of bullshit is what creates them, so they're indirectly Nintendo's fault as well. And if that's the kind of extra effort you have to go through to develop on the Wii U, why bother with it when it doesn't have a huge user base anyway? I mean, I know why they didn't release the specs (PR, can't bring up those comparisons) but the handling of the Wii U has been laughable.
Fair enough.and the comment I was responding to wasn't?
Can I just fast forward to June? [or better yet the 21st.] The hater's circle-jerk is getting ridiculous. Also as much as everyone rides EA, I'm sure at this point, they were never Nintendo's saviors to begin with.
That would be a stretch.Maybe the ended "unprecedented partnership" was one of the reasons why EA CEO left? He didn't want to have to explain this odd new situation this E3?
...no?
orbango CPU clockspeeds are lower than ps360, its an almost meaningly metric these days
No because EA's decisions were decided before the Wii U launched. They had to be because November and December saw decent sales as well. It wasn't until the beginning of February was when we saw the drop off after the Christmas holiday as that is when the NPD numbers for January came out. So leaves Feb, March, and April of bad sales. Those are months when games were releasing and being announced. Even if sales were bad things could be turned around by the end of the year once Nintendo releases their own games. So why not announced games for the system to help spur sales of the hardware so more copies of the games could be sold months later?
It's arguable that the Wii U sales actual wouldn't be bad if EA and others were actually putting their games on the system. Publishers should know this as well. EA is trying to wield its influence by withholding games. For what reason is anyone's guess. When games that ship over 3 million are still consider failures at worse or disappointing at best the withholding of games only hurt third parties. It just ensures that when Nintendo releases games those "starved" for new games will buy their games up. They'll be seen as the savior. For the financial issues Nintendo is currently having they're expanding. EA and others are the ones closing down studios, letting dozens to hundreds of developers go and cutting down on the number of games they make.
So no the lack of games isn't because of the bad Wii U sales. It simply can't be.
Clock speed isn't everything but when we are talking about clock speeds of what information out there leads me to believe that both the wii u and xbox 360 have a similar type of power PC architecture. I think clock speed becomes a factor.
Clock speed isn't everything but when we are talking about clock speeds of what information out there leads me to believe that both the wii u and xbox 360 have a similar type of power PC architecture. I think clock speed becomes a factor.
They are completely different CPUS and design paradigms. In some ways (floating point code) the IBM PPE wipes the floor with espresso. In other ways (more general purpose code) it is a better CPU.
the 360 cpu is a very bloated and inefficient design, with general purpose code the wii cpu (at little over a fifth the clockspeed) performed 80% as well, now seeing as the wii u cpu is 70% faster than the wii's and there are 3 cores (along with far more cache and dedicated audio hardware) it smokes the 360 with general purpose code
they need to get zelda/mario/smash out as soon as possible to have a chance. Pay big bonuses, but work around the clock.
"I guess your "test ended around the same time as the "unprecedented partnership"
HEY OOOOH! Right in the kisser!
This is shocking. I still wonder why things haven't gone how bgassassin and the boys said they would?
no, I'll never forget that thread. Too hilarious
We've heard that before... Personally I don't play games on my phone or tablet anymore. I went from buying and playing almost everything talked about on appstore to not even bother trying the biggest games. Can't be the only one.even if that were possible, i dont think the market could sustain a console for 5 years after 2015. phones, tablets, and android boxes are going to be insanely powerful by 2017, with PCs, the gaming landscape probably wont be great for closed boxes.
Link because there is a lot of shit in this thread already.
........ok.
lmfao
It's Wii situation all over again... But without millions of soccer moms. :/
It'll be interesting to see how long Nintendo can afford to keep WiiU alive. My guess is that they'll either announce a new and more powerful console at E3 2014, with a launch in 2015, or focus on 3DS until next gen in 2018-2020 or so,
We've heard that before... Personally I don't play games on my phone or tablet anymore. I went from buying and playing almost everything talked about on appstore to not even bother trying the biggest games. Can't be the only one.
Plus, Android's insane popularity and piracy is about to kill what's left of serious smart phone gaming. Just watch it.
lmfao
I agree that the U will probably not last the full generation barring a huge turnaround, but it would be incredibly short sighted and risky to rush out a new system just two years after launch. Remember how frequent hardware upgrades worked out for Sega? Yeah.
The best thing Nintendo can do right now is try to minimize their losses on the Wii U while working hard on truly addressing every complaint with their next console.
another theory i've got is that maybe sony and ms offered to allow them to block used games and nintendo wouldn't
i can see a variation of this theory being true. used games are a HUGE problem for EA. i see used sports games being passed around so often. the prices hit rock bottom very fast so i don't think they have legs at all. they could gain plenty of money by restricting access to those games. for one, i don't see any reason why they couldn't block used games on the Wii U as well. however nintendo decided that they didn't want to adopt this practice for their own line of games, so customers are going to resist it till the end. sony/MS could adopt a more hybrid model and have a high digital push right out of the door - making it so consumers will be less resistive towards buying fully digital copies. or maybe they want to turn games like that into a subscription based service. i don't know but i bet they have a much better way to monetize those games in the works. i suppose we'll see what happens when the next consoles hit.
It doesn't. PS360 is getting FB3, as it got FB2 (which is a direct predecessor of FB3, which is just a new/updated iteration). The Disney deal, which we don't yet know full details of yet, may require them to port FB3 to Wii U as well ("all interactive platform" requirements - what do they mean? Is it similar to the Tiger Woods license? Etc).
The only one with the fingers in their ears in this regard is you.
i dont doubt BF4 would sell enough on the wii u to at least be profitable which is why i'm convinced there is a fall out, EA aren't some resource starved mid tier publisher putting it out on wii u shouldn't take much effort from them
We've heard that before... Personally I don't play games on my phone or tablet anymore. I went from buying and playing almost everything talked about on appstore to not even bother trying the biggest games. Can't be the only one.
Plus, Android's insane popularity and piracy is about to kill what's left of serious smart phone gaming. Just watch it.
It doesn't. PS360 is getting FB3, as it got FB2 (which is a direct predecessor of FB3, which is just a new/updated iteration). The Disney deal, which we don't yet know full details of yet, may require them to port FB3 to Wii U as well ("all interactive platform" requirements - what do they mean? Is it similar to the Tiger Woods license? Etc).
The only one with the fingers in their ears in this regard is you.
Not really. However Wii U tech nerds might know more about the modern Wii U architecture than DICE. Who knows what version of the kit they had. It's gone through tonnes of improvements.
Anyway, I don't believe for a second Wii U couldn't run it in some form and hence the games come to the system. The last tweet was spot on.
I would say look at Call of Duty and it's NPD numbers on Wii U and look at Need for Speed NPD numbers.
Don't get why people are applauding that last tweet, comes across as the bitter tears of a fanboy that got suckered into buying a WiiU.
However Wii U tech nerds might know more about the modern Wii U architecture than DICE.
Most people knew that the WiiU is weak old hardware that can´t run modern tech. It´s funny how Nintendo gaf are blaming third parties and EA instead of blaming Nintendo for cheapen out.
Keep telling yourself that. The WiiU is a piece of old tech that Nintendo was too make a modern times console. But keep the blindfolds on. It´s funny how you were saying that the PS4 and Durango will be compared to the WiiU yet the PS4 is in a different stratosphere.
i'm expecting (could be wrong just my opinion) ms to have a total block on used games and sony to have an optional block on used games, sure the facility kind of exists already with online passes and they would be easy to expand into a full game pass but without some sort of 'official' system i doubt any publisher wants to be seen as the bad guy
We know it that the Wii U can at least run CryEngine 3, so your over-the-top statements are a bit flawed.
Also, you are confusing "old-tech" with "lower-powered."
I would say look at Call of Duty and it's NPD numbers on Wii U and look at Need for Speed NPD numbers.
AzaK said:Not really. However Wii U tech nerds might know more about the modern Wii U architecture than DICE. Who knows what version of the kit they had. It's gone through tonnes of improvements.
Anyway, I don't believe for a second Wii U couldn't run it in some form and hence the games come to the system. The last tweet was spot on.
This has not been proven yet. Its just been announced. The call of duty devs and activision are pissed about their wii-u build and its corresponding sales.
Most people knew that the WiiU is weak old hardware that can´t run modern tech. It´s funny how Nintendo gaf are blaming third parties and EA instead of blaming Nintendo for cheapen out.
Keep telling yourself that. The WiiU is a piece of old tech that Nintendo was too make a modern times console. But keep the blindfolds on. It´s funny how you were saying that the PS4 and Durango will be compared to the WiiU yet the PS4 is in a different stratosphere.