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Why Good Girls Have Become As Extinct As Unicorns

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every time a woman gets laid.

a man gets laid

Yes, but in western culture, women have most of the power as to how much sex happens.
Men have to approach women, and women can adopt a passive role and just pick and choose.
It's quite similar to applying for a job, in a way.
Sure, you, the applicant, can choose which jobs to apply for. But in the end, the employer decides whether you get the job or not.

Yes, there are exceptions, some women approach men, but in the vast majority of cases, the man has to make the first step, and possibly the second and third too. Shy men have it much harder than shy women for this exact reason.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
They do exist. One of the reasons why they are in short supply is because of the mass exodus from church attendance nation (and western world) wide. You used to meet your spouse at church or at school.

Now you meet them at a party or a bar...

Oh god.

Wanna know what else "church attending" "good" Americans did? Oppress minorities, beat and control women and not give them the right to vote, etc etc etc. If you don't live in America there's also plenty of other atrocities in your country from mostly church attending good people. Probably more actually because of the likely longer history.

If being a "good" girl is believing in complete horseshit nonsense, obeying your husband (but not the converse), not being able to explore sexuality because irrationality and critical nonthinking takes precedence to actually enjoying and experiencing fucking life, I'll take a bad girl any day of the week. My bad girl is likely smarter, better adapted, more free-thinking, and better in bed than your good girl.
 

Nezumi

Member
So, does the fact that before my husband I only slept with one other guy, who I was in a relationship of five years with, still qualify me as a unicorn, or is that already one... "horn" too many?

What a stupid article.
 

Fireblend

Banned
Such sexist trash. I'm not sure what's the reaction been throughout the thread (I'm not reading 6 pages discussing what was already a pain to read), but the thought that women have to somehow meet some idealized standard of what "they should be for their man" is ludicrous. This article and way of thinking seriously angers me.
 
every time a woman gets laid.

a man gets laid

But one guy could hook up with a lot of women. Just because some guy has sex every time a heterosexual woman has sex doesn't mean that the average man could get laid as easily as the average woman.
 
I never really understood how being sexually conservative equates to being a " better" person. In my opinion you should fuck whoever you want as long as it's safe, consensual, legal and doesn't harm others (I think cheating is pretty scummy).

I'm not married yet but I honestly wouldn't give a fuck if my wife to be said one time she blew three guys in the parking lot just for kicks. So fucking what? I've done crazy shit too during my lifetime but that says jack about who I am as a "moral" person.

I don't get it...
 
As long as the woman is careful and safe. I really don't see the big deal about it is. I've always found the societal rule that men can fuck as many females as they want, because we're "dogs" but women have to stay "pure."

So nonsensical.
 
I never really understood how being sexually conservative equates to being a " better" person. In my opinion you should fuck whoever you want as long as it's safe, consensual, legal and doesn't harm others (I think cheating is pretty scummy).

I'm not married yet but I honestly wouldn't give a fuck if my wife to be said one time she blew three guys in the parking lot just for kicks. So fucking what? I've done crazy shit too during my lifetime but that says jack about who I am as a "moral" person.

I don't get it...

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Mid 20s and never touched a dick. Now I have an excuse to wear my hand-crafted unicorn costume in public!

Seriously, I don't know why it matters that much. I'm with the "as long as it's safe, consensual, etc" camp. At the very least if you want your partner to have high standards regarding who they bed, you could at least hold yourself to the same standards. I really want to write this off as a trolling article but this sentiment seems to be fairly prevalent.

But one guy could hook up with a lot of women. Just because some guy has sex every time a heterosexual woman has sex doesn't mean that the average man could get laid as easily as the average woman.

Women, check your privilege.
 

Air

Banned
Well, his last paragraph isn't particularly bad. I think there is a point to be made about men who are always doing the chase. Really, I think it's an isolated point from the article (or maybe I'm treating it that way since its really the only logical argument).

He should probably talk to a flesh and blood woman about these views though as it seems his opinions have been living in a vacuum.
 
To be fair, women usually have it a lot easier to get laid, which is why so many men are so bitter about women sleeping around.
I doubt anyone would care if it was equally easy for both sexes to get laid. At least I wouldn't.

So you're projecting your difficulties in finding a girlfriend on the rest of us men?


My bad girl is likely smarter, better adapted, more free-thinking, and better in bed than your good girl.

Yeah. Even if this guy's unicorns did exist, it sounds terrible.
 

andymcc

Banned
Yes, but in western culture, women have most of the power as to how much sex happens.
Men have to approach women, and women can adopt a passive role and just pick and choose.
It's quite similar to applying for a job, in a way.
Sure, you, the applicant, can choose which jobs to apply for. But in the end, the employer decides whether you get the job or not.

Yes, there are exceptions, some women approach men, but in the vast majority of cases, the man has to make the first step, and possibly the second and third too. Shy men have it much harder than shy women for this exact reason.

even smaller than a fermion is the small-ass violin playing a sad song for you.
 

freddy

Banned
It's quite similar to applying for a job, in a way.
Sure, you, the applicant, can choose which jobs to apply for. But in the end, the employer decides whether you get the job or not.
If you must look at it like this, then you should apply the same rules. Be confident. The employer wants someone and why not you? After all you're the best for the position, right? The more jobs you apply for, the more chance you have of getting one. As you go along, you'll also get experience from jobs you got and were fired from or left. Be presentable and put your best foot forward. Lastly, if you never look for any jobs because you're scared of rejection, you'll never be employed. ;)
 

User 406

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Bahahaha, church attendance? At the church my wife's parents attend, people were cheating on their spouses in the back rooms during service. The catholic school my sister went to had one of the highest student abortion rates in the state. The only thing church attendance does is make lying about being a virgin more credible to gullible fools, a tradition going all the way back to Mary.

Guys who obsess over the "purity" of women deserve their own self-inflicted insecurity. Worrying about other dicks all your life sounds like an agonizing waste of time.
 

grumble

Member
If you must look at it like this, then you should apply the same rules. Be confident. The employer wants someone and why not you? After all you're the best for the position, right? The more jobs you apply for, the more chance you have of getting one. As you go along, you'll also get experience from jobs you got and were fired from or left. Be presentable and put your best foot forward. Lastly, if you never look for any jobs because you're scared of rejection, you'll never be employed. ;)

Yeah, I actually kind of like this analogy. Qualifications help too, so it's always good to be out doing something and kicking ass on your own, and you've got to be presentable
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
What is that source from the OP? Never even heard of it before and I don't want to give it clicks for this article if this was where it was typed up.

I liked the quote from Zachariah to Dean in Supernatural talking about his reward for helping them defeat Lucifer. "70 Sluts and 2 Virgins right?
 

Log4Girlz

Member
I never really understood how being sexually conservative equates to being a " better" person. In my opinion you should fuck whoever you want as long as it's safe, consensual, legal and doesn't harm others (I think cheating is pretty scummy).

I'm not married yet but I honestly wouldn't give a fuck if my wife to be said one time she blew three guys in the parking lot just for kicks. So fucking what? I've done crazy shit too during my lifetime but that says jack about who I am as a "moral" person.

I don't get it...

Would you have no problem if each of those men were relatives? People do put value on behavior, sexual promiscuity is one of them. I would not want to be with someone who was promiscuous, though at the same time I do not judge them harshly personally.
 

djtiesto

is beloved, despite what anyone might say
Ah. Didn't realize he in particular was particular about that sort of thing.

As for this whole 'nice girl' thing, what a joke. There's no need and the kind of guys who seek out that type exclusively, well, it says something very telling about them. Such a silly thing to value above all else.

I also completely agree with you as well on how much 'nice girls' are valued after a few years of marriage when the so called nice guys who initially wanted them change their minds and want something more racy when they're bored.

Perhaps you guys have a different definition of 'nice'... if I say I want a 'nice' girl, that means I want a girl who is friendly, honest (won't lie to me, won't manipulate people to get what she wants, won't cheat on me), and altruistic. Nothing to do with how sexual she is.

Because I dated a girl who was an evangelical Christian (it was only revealed to me how hardcore she was after a month or two of dating), and she was a virgin that refused to have sex before marriage... what some people (like this article) would claim as a "nice" girl... but in reality, she was extremely manipulative, condescending towards black people, and talked a lot of shit behind peoples' backs... the rest of her 'squeaky-clean' evangelical family was the same way. That is not "nice" to me.
 
So you're projecting your difficulties in finding a girlfriend on the rest of us men?

Dunno, it seems there's quite a few men nowadays who have difficulties. I know a lot of guys like that in real life, and the internet is full of them too.
I never said it was all of the men, or even a majority. It's a minority, but it seems to be rather sizable.


If you must look at it like this, then you should apply the same rules. Be confident. The employer wants someone and why not you? After all you're the best for the position, right? The more jobs you apply for, the more chance you have of getting one. As you go along, you'll also get experience from jobs you got and were fired from or left. Be presentable and put your best foot forward. Lastly, if you never look for any jobs because you're scared of rejection, you'll never be employed. ;)

That's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't change the fact that the playing field is rather skewed. To me, it seems like some men get laid very often and some men get laid rather seldom or not at all. Among women, it seems to be more homogeneous.
I haven't met many girls who had difficulties getting laid.
In b4 "That's because you don' know any girls"
So if the playing field is uneven, why shouldn't the rules reflect this? Getting laid as a woman is ridiculously easy, if you're even semi-decent looking you could fuck a different guy every week. Most men have to pay hookers if they want that level of action.
So it's really not that unfair that they're judged differently by society.

even smaller than a fermion is the small-ass violin playing a sad song for you.
Thanks for your contribution.
 
So if the playing field is uneven, why shouldn't the rules reflect this? Getting laid as a woman is ridiculously easy, if you're even semi-decent looking you could fuck a different guy every week. Most men have to pay hookers if they want that level of action.
So it's really not that unfair that they're judged differently by society.

So let me get this straight: because women, theoretically, have easier access to sex, we should hold them to higher standards? You're trying to justify a double standard?
 

Pau

Member
I haven't met many girls who had difficulties getting laid.
In b4 "That's because you don' know any girls"
So if the playing field is uneven, why shouldn't the rules reflect this? Getting laid as a woman is ridiculously easy, if you're even semi-decent looking you could fuck a different guy every week. Most men have to pay hookers if they want that level of action.
So it's really not that unfair that they're judged differently by society.
You seem to overestimate how easy it is for girls to get laid. I know plenty of women who have difficulties in the area. And it usually is for the same reason that guys do: standards/expectations are too high, no confidence, etc. Also, I love how your argument hinges on a woman being semi-decent looking. Women who don't fit society's standards don't ever really count, do they.

And yeah, it is unfair. Sex isn't some goddamn competition. You sound really bitter.
 

andymcc

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That's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't change the fact that the playing field is rather skewed. To me, it seems like some men get laid very often and some men get laid rather seldom or not at all. Among women, it seems to be more homogeneous.
I haven't met many girls who had difficulties getting laid.
In b4 "That's because you don' know any girls"
So if the playing field is uneven, why shouldn't the rules reflect this? Getting laid as a woman is ridiculously easy, if you're even semi-decent looking you could fuck a different guy every week. Most men have to pay hookers if they want that level of action.
So it's really not that unfair that they're judged differently by society.

ahahahahahaha

you're very clueless or just super jaded.
 

Kazerei

Banned
To me, it seems like some men get laid very often and some men get laid rather seldom or not at all. Among women, it seems to be more homogeneous.

No, it's pretty much the same for women too. There are some women who go out, are socially proactive, and have lots of sex. And there are some women who are shy or want to remain chaste or whatever and have very little sex.
 

grumble

Member
So let me get this straight: because women, theoretically, have easier access to sex, we should hold them to higher standards? You're trying to justify a double standard?

To be fair, the term 'double standard' refers to applying two standards to the same population (as far as the standard is concerned). If the populations the standards refer to are not the same, then it's not a double standard.

Not that I agree, just that a double standard is a particular kind of thing and if men and women are actually different sexually then having two different standards wouldn't be a 'double standard', just different standards.
 

alekth

Member
That's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't change the fact that the playing field is rather skewed. To me, it seems like some men get laid very often and some men get laid rather seldom or not at all. Among women, it seems to be more homogeneous.
I haven't met many girls who had difficulties getting laid.
In b4 "That's because you don' know any girls"
So if the playing field is uneven, why shouldn't the rules reflect this? Getting laid as a woman is ridiculously easy, if you're even semi-decent looking you could fuck a different guy every week. Most men have to pay hookers if they want that level of action.
So it's really not that unfair that they're judged differently by society.

Even if you'd like to judge differently, it should still be on the same scale, regardless of the offset you think is appropriate.
 
To be fair, the term 'double standard' refers to applying two standards to the same population (as far as the standard is concerned). If the populations the standards refer to are not the same, then it's not a double standard.

Not that I agree, just that a double standard is a particular kind of thing and if men and women are actually different sexually then having two different standards wouldn't be a 'double standard', just different standards.

It's a double standard in terms of judging them for their actions. We're talking about making a moral judgment (i.e., women who sleep around are "bad", men who sleep around aren't) based on physical-social potential (i.e., who gets "easier access" to sex).
 

ICKE

Banned
There's an easy solution to this problem.

Move to a more conservative country like Japan or Saudi-Arabia where women are expected to be virgins before marriage and they have also been raised to be obedient.

This argument is getting extremely old, I hear it all the time from Russians I know. How western women are whores and how other countries will never accept such cultural decadence (homosexuality etc).
 
Would you have no problem if each of those men were relatives? People do put value on behavior, sexual promiscuity is one of them. I would not want to be with someone who was promiscuous, though at the same time I do not judge them harshly personally.

If they were relatives of hers? Doesn't that fall under "illegal"?

I guess I just don't understand how you define what sexually promiscuous even is. What is a slut? Someone that has sex with multiple persons outside of a stable relationship? Why is that intrinsically bad?

What makes sexual restraint such a positive attribute for someone (women mostly since I've never really seen a man being chastised for having multiple sexual partners) ?
 
No, it's pretty much the same for women too. There are some women who go out, are socially proactive, and have lots of sex. And there are some women who are shy or want to remain chaste or whatever and have very little sex.

I really don't think it's the same. An ordinary woman will be swamped with potential mates if she simply registers for a dating website. Being socially proactive isn't even really a requirement. Her problem won't be with finding any ordinary man, but with finding Mr. Right.
 
If you must look at it like this, then you should apply the same rules. Be confident. The employer wants someone and why not you? After all you're the best for the position, right? The more jobs you apply for, the more chance you have of getting one. As you go along, you'll also get experience from jobs you got and were fired from or left. Be presentable and put your best foot forward. Lastly, if you never look for any jobs because you're scared of rejection, you'll never be employed. ;)

In the world of employment, if you don't get enough recompense or satisfaction from one job, it is considered generally appropriate to pursue and work at a second or even third job.

This amuses me, considering I'm going to a "business symposium", I'd guess you'd call it, with my date tomorrow.
 

Pau

Member
I really don't think it's the same. An ordinary woman will be swamped with potential mates if she simply registers for a dating website. Being socially proactive isn't even really a requirement. Her problem won't be with finding any ordinary man, but with finding Mr. Right.
What's an ordinary woman?

Because seriously, most of the women I know - including myself - have had to be socially proactive.
 

Log4Girlz

Member
If they were relatives of hers? Doesn't that fall under "illegal"?

I meant, what if they were your relatives? If you knew before she met you she had been with several of your relatives? Does it matter to you? I don't blame you if it does or doesn't bother you, but it will bother some and I think we should understand where they are coming from. Now having said that, I am not defending the demonization of sexuality, but some do hold standards of behavior. I would not want to be with anyone who's been particularly promiscuous. That's just not for me.
 

Al-ibn Kermit

Junior Member
I really don't think it's the same. An ordinary woman will be swamped with potential mates if she simply registers for a dating website. Being socially proactive isn't even really a requirement. Her problem won't be with finding any ordinary man, but with finding Mr. Right.

So men on dating sites have lower/no standards? Do you really think a woman or anyone will sleep with dudes they can't stand to talk to?
 
The quest for a "good" girl stems from insecurity that another dick was better than yours, and you won't measure up to all her experience (pun intended).

That or the good ol' patriarchal ideal that your vagina's sole ownership should be the husband's. No used goods allowed. It's all bullshit.
 

TruckDriver

Neo Member
My gf is a good girl in everyday life and a bad girl in the sack.

Isn't that the best kind of gal to have? ;)

There's an easy solution to this problem.

Move to a more conservative country like Japan or Saudi-Arabia where women are expected to be virgins before marriage and they have also been raised to be obedient.

This argument is getting extremely old, I hear it all the time from Russians I know. How western women are whores and how other countries will never accept such cultural decadence (homosexuality etc).

"Japanese Unicorns are suddenly now hard to find since I moved to Japan!"

#Fedoras4Eva!
 
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