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"y cant metroid crawl?" first time (Miiverse) players cry for help in Super Metroid
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Love it.
Not Super Metroid but...
Lets be fair, it is a of hidden stuff in there.
I got through it easy enough though.
I dunno, if you look deeper maybe many people end up figuring it out via Miiverse? Though there's multiple ways to aid the player that don't require falling back on super linear design like they'd been doing with Zelda and Metroid.The worst thing about this is Nintendo's going to read all of it and you just know Sakamoto will jump on making el-casual My First Metroid if he ever gets off his ass and makes a new one
"With this new Metroid, we heard Miiverse feedback on Super quite clear, so we decided to do away with the whole labyrinth aspect and have just a single, flat path.
You start at the left and end on the right. There's no enemies, no frustrating blocks or even hills in the player's path - Anyone can play!"
When I was a kid I needed two players to get past it.
I didn't know you could hold down to make the barrel go lower.
Beetleking11
Banned
Oh god I WAS fucking 4 years old when I beated this fucking game..
Why the fuck would we help Paul in here? We'd reply on Miiverse.
It admittedly doesn't help some games really do load nigh-useless junk on you. Imagine SotN's hypothetical Miiverse!
Zombie James
Banned
I hated the linearity of Fusion and that damn computer telling you exactly what to do all the time. It was very restrictive.
Pretty sure you're thinking of Other M. While Fusion puts a dot on a blank space on the map indicating your goal, how to get there is left up to you and it's not just a hallway.
mysteriousmage09
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Just wait until they fall through the floor in the part of Super Metroid with the Etecoons and have to wall jump to get back up.
Not Super Metroid but...
LOL.
Oh man, if this is the general entertainment value of the Miiverse, I'll have to rethink that Wii U purchase.
It IS more linear, but Other M pushes it to a level more akin to FFXIII, where you're left with an exhausted husk by the time you get actual freedom.
but... how is the "metrid crawl" thing even happening? I mean, in the worst case you first press down and you are like "what? why i am not a ball" then, after that, in stead of pressing down once you do it a lot of times and... there you have it. Some time later you may figure out that you only need to press down twice. why?...
On the other hand, being stalked by SA-X throughout the game made it feel anything but "casual."
MisterHero
Super Member
If there was some sort of purchasable key to unlock all the content in these games people wouldn't have to slog through them. Way to go Nintendo.
If you think Fi is bad you haven't met Otis Washington!
It's clear that "kids these days" are accustomed to games presenting no challenge or adversity or mystery of any kind, and will explain to the user how to win, step by step, throughout.
The question is: Are these kids having a hard time with a game like Super Metroid (which, when I was 12, I didn't find especially challenging) because of their casual conditioning caused by modern game design, or are they this way because they wouldn't be gamers in the first place without modern game design making it possible?
The question is: Are these kids having a hard time with a game like Super Metroid (which, when I was 12, I didn't find especially challenging) because of their casual conditioning caused by modern game design, or are they this way because they wouldn't be gamers in the first place without modern game design making it possible?
Yeah I dunno, guess I just stumbled on it through dumb luck.
That's not how Navi talks. That's Fi. If you thought Navi was bad...*shudders*
Jazzy Network
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Super Metroid was easy compared to the other Metroid games. WTF? I bet these guys wouldn't last 10 minutes playing Return of Samus.
And then the Shinespark
OriginalNameGuy
Member
This is what a decade of handholding has done. Gamers can't handle a challenge anymore
TheShampion
Member
I still think the "newbie bridge" is up there with the Sonic 3 barrel of bad game design in good games.
Hell, I grew up with this shit too, good games can have bad moments too.
Hell, I grew up with this shit too, good games can have bad moments too.
There's a world of difference between the fear/mystery of the Souls games and learning a basic mechanic for Metroid. Like you said, this stuff is explained in a manual.
Rogue Agent
Banned
I'm embarassed to admit that I was this part had me stumped when I played it back in the day
Having your goal and a few other things indicated to help you navigate is a good thing. It can be a pain for people going through the game in one sitting, but it's also designed to help you remembering what to do if you put the game aside for days/weeks and then come back to it.
Honestly we've all experienced games we're reluctant to play because we don't remember what we're supposed to do after some time. When you're designing a game you want more than a few people to finish it, otherwise it's a waste.
I agree that Fusion is linear though and that philosophy has been taken to the extreme in modern times, but it has its usefulness. Some people already familiar with Super Metroid missed the fusion system in the OT and I can understand that.
kunonabi
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i just finished fusion and it was pretty linear and obvious. upgrades coming solely from bosses was pretty awful too. other m was actually an improvement despite still being pretty linear as well.
Freezie KO
Banned
I got stuck in a Metroid game, and I think it was the most linear one. I just gave up. Ain't nobody got time for that.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Unfortunately, a brief parusal of all Souls games discussion gets us a large body of posts complaining on the GODDAMN INTERNET that they weren't told IN-GAME exactly what to do, where such help or just straight-up information rested in large, elaborate, accurate wikis, faqs, and communities for the games on the very same GODDAMN INTERNET.
Most people go get info they need when they know its there. Others just are pissed off when they find out it's there and don't.
BassForever
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There is a difference between beginner traps like the run bridge and bad mechanics like the sonic 3 casino spinner. Earlier in the level you get introduced to the spinners as a thing you platform over and they bounce when you jump on them. The next time you see them it's when you're trapped and your history has told you "I jump on these things to make them go up and down". Also I don't think anywhere else in Sonic 1-3 do you ever have to hit the up button to do anything outside of pan the camera. Why would any player assuming hitting the up button would work when all it's ever done is pan the camera?
Parts that I got stuck on my first time:
The noob bridge.
Learning to shinespark.
Blowing up the Maridia tube.
And while the first one was just me not knowing there was a run button, I stand by the other two being the game's fault.
How is that stupid bird supposed to be conveying ducking? It runs and it jumps. There's no hint that you're supposed to duck.
And the Maridia tube is just dumb. The only ways to figure that out are through luck or by watching the attract mode stuff.
The noob bridge.
Learning to shinespark.
Blowing up the Maridia tube.
And while the first one was just me not knowing there was a run button, I stand by the other two being the game's fault.
How is that stupid bird supposed to be conveying ducking? It runs and it jumps. There's no hint that you're supposed to duck.
And the Maridia tube is just dumb. The only ways to figure that out are through luck or by watching the attract mode stuff.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
I got stuck for a week in FF Mystic Quest, so I can't say shit. Had to call Squaresoft's 1-900 number. My parents were pissed.
What part exactly? Jumping on top of the knights statues of the tower?
They grew up with different games. Its nothing really wrong with it.
At least this this proves Virtual Console is actually exposing these games to new audiences and not just cashing in on nostalgia.
See, back in 94 when I first got to this part I immediately knew what I was supposed to do, I just had a really hard time actually doing it.
See, back in 94 when I first got to this part I immediately knew what I was supposed to do, I just had a really hard time actually doing it.
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