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Major Nelson: "We Are Listening!"
- Thread starter Miles Quaritch
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throwawayname
Member
Fatality.
NullPointer
Member
We've been fooled once already with these very same words, from the same person no less.
I highly highly doubt that!
A huge part of the console market are just mainstream/causal gamer/children (whose parents buy them stuff). Those people will NEVER accept a NO USED games policy - EVER!
Especially for all those dubro gamers, who are always craving for that "next big thing", a no used games policy/digital only future is a no go.
On the one hand they are willing to spend 60 on the next cinematic action fest, but due to the fact that those games are pretty short on gameplay time (most of them you can beat in one weekend), they don't see why they should keep their once played through games forever.
Instead, they head to their next Gamestop and sell it, so they get a decent amount of money back to buy the next 5 to 10 hour action fest.
That's why Gamestop has been so damn successful with selling used games.
I might be wrong, but that's really what I believe. Parents and the other mainstream gamers are like that as well.
That is just...beautiful.
Fox Mulder
Member
I don't think they've ever tried to clarify the situation. They're just giving vague answers and dodging questions because they don't want to highlight negatives so early. Sure, the Internet is complaining loudly, but I'm expecting that to decrease after E3 just because they showed some games people will want and there's more to talk about.
They aren't some stupid company scrambling around. These policies have been thought out and ready to go, they probably just want to see how serious people are with the outrage before deciding how to lay it all out.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Yes, but with the Xbox One, the disc doesn't need to be in the blu-ray drive to run.
So unless they do a complete 180 on this feature, and honestly that likelihood is zero, they HAVE to use system wide DRM. They have to.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That's too hopeful. It's going to be a relaxation of the DRM if there's any changes at all.
The alternative is they play the long game, drop all DRM talk now and implement it at some point in the future when they feel comfortable that any backlash won't be as bad as it would be at launch.
NullPointer
Member
mercenar1e
Member
Even if they remove the DRM they should still be punished by the consumer for even going that route lol
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Why is the likelihood of that zero? I mean, I think there will be DRM, but it's possible they will add disc checking functionality. Technically it should be easy to implement.
Four_Chamber
Member
Ridiculous. An example of the nonsensical debate being held on this topic.
GetemMa
Member
You what is funny, I told my wife, who is not a techie or a gamer at all, about the Xbone reveal and how awful it was and she really didn't have a problem with any of it until I told her about the Kinect camera and then she said "yeah I don't want that in our living room"
LOL
Well at least they are acknowledging the feedback. That's promising I guess.
Nice lol
Another option I've said before is a one time authentication when you install the game. When you go to delete/uninstall the game, you're given the option to reset the license. That way MS has their DRM but I could still play offline for more than 24 hours.
Nice lol
Another option I've said before is a one time authentication when you install the game. When you go to delete/uninstall the game, you're given the option to reset the license. That way MS has their DRM but I could still play offline for more than 24 hours.
HA! Now that is a clever response! lol
I would expect the 'noise' to get bigger even at E3. But we had that 3 minute connection rumor, the internet complained, and Phil said 24hr...I doubt any of these policies have been well thought out.
DDR5 doesn't exist.
Dun, dun, dun...
Actions speak louder than words, Hyrb.
Que the x-files music
Fox Mulder
Member
There's a difference between bad messaging and being poorly thought out. The console comes out this holiday, I refuse to believe they're still finalizing DRM schemes that would cripple the console at launch if implemented incorrectly.
Right now, there's nothing to talk about besides the disappointing media focused reveal and the rumored DRM. The best way for MS to drive the discussion is show off lots of great games that you will need the console to enjoy. The flood of new games at E3 and activity for all three consoles will undoubtedly drown out mundane things like DRM and the economics of used games. MS is hoping it will as well.
BoboBrazil
Member
"Rounding up the answers"
Translation: Our PR firm is working 24/7 trying to find a way to spin this as a benefit to consumers. Microsoft won't change their stance. Just look what they are doing with Windows 8. It's almost like trolling by putting a fucking start button that takes you to metro.
Translation: Our PR firm is working 24/7 trying to find a way to spin this as a benefit to consumers. Microsoft won't change their stance. Just look what they are doing with Windows 8. It's almost like trolling by putting a fucking start button that takes you to metro.
rain elbows
Member
BolognaSoup
Member
I flat out to refuse to buy an Xbox that requires a Kinect plugged in to function. I don't see them changing this so nothing else he says really matters.
If by in-touch you mean canned responses like: "policies have not been locked down" ala his Yahoo live chat the other week, then yeah.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Ozzykamikaze
Member
Is there some kind of club to join to make thread-ending, relevant first posts? I want to join, but I'm not sure I can make the cut. There must be a clever people's association that alert each other to new posts, I can see no other way.
soulassssns
Banned
Good to hear
MisterNugNug
Member
Damn first post nails it again lol
AstroZombie
Banned
Exactly. It means absolutely nothing. They can be "listening" and still go ahead with their original plan.
Nevergiveup
Banned
Lmaooo
Master Genesis Dream
Banned
Good to hear.
Underrated due to the Kinect fatality, but still very good
Brofist
Member
Good show
Arent you a part of gaf too since you're posting on it and everything?
NullPointer
Member
Does somebody have the transcript from the last Major Nelson "Clarification" Q&A to offer this fine poster?
3rdamention
Member
Dun, dun, dun...
Heck...how long does it take to round up answers? This is no different than the Q and A where he never answered anything and said detsils were coming....
Everyone knows, including Major Nelson, he could make one phone call and get all the details he needs....This isnt some E3 secret.....Just explain it already...
lightlamp4
Banned
This sounds like another
Sony: We are listening
GAF: >3 you Sony
Microsoft: We are listening
GAF: STOP LYING ITS JUST MORE PR!!!
Looks like someone was thinking what i was thinking haha ^^
Sony: We are listening
GAF: >3 you Sony
Microsoft: We are listening
GAF: STOP LYING ITS JUST MORE PR!!!
Looks like someone was thinking what i was thinking haha ^^
rain elbows
Member
Sony = on message, PS4 is for gamers
Microsoft = damage control, why did Phil have to open his mouth, our Helen Keller strategy to their DRM questions was going so well..
D
Deleted member 8095
Unconfirmed Member
Why doesn't it just work like this:
Disc in the tray: no authentication needed.
Game installed to HD w/ no disc in tray: quick authentication check.
Digital downloads: no authentication.
Disc in the tray: no authentication needed.
Game installed to HD w/ no disc in tray: quick authentication check.
Digital downloads: no authentication.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Hm, you are listening, 5 months before your system goes into production. I highly doubt much will change.
Gangxxter
Member
Fantastic first post!
Matt2thefuture
Member
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