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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/31/tech/gaming-gadgets/sony-microsoft-drm/index.html?cid=sf_twitter

Fans Air Concerns about New Playstation, XBox
By Larry Frum

At the heart of the issue in both cases is whether gamers will be allowed to play games they buy on more than one console. That impacts everything from reselling games to taking them over to a friend's house to play, but that could be at odds with game creators' desire to make sure everyone playing their games have paid for them...

At Sony's event announcing the PlayStation 4, they showed off many new features for games and home entertainment. However, fans are now similarly clamoring for details into the company's plans for digital rights management and the impact it will have on playing used games.

The company hasn't said, but that hasn't stopped a preventative movement of gamers who have taken to forum threads and Twitter, where they're using the hashtags #PS4NoDRM and #PS4UsedGames to reach out to Sony executives.

More at the link. He also mentions Sony's and MajorNelson's twitter responses. The concerns of fans has gotten a lot of traction in various news outlets... though IGN (U.S.) and Giantbomb don't seem to be reporting on it.

A lot of folks in the #PS4NoDRM thread have been trying to get people to reach out to journalists, publishers, and everyone else to spread awareness: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=568033&page=148

EDIT: TO CLARIFY, there have been multiple podcasts and articles speaking generally about used games on IGN and Giantbomb, but nothing that speaks specifically to the community reaching out directly to Sony, Microsoft, and publishers to make their concerns known. There is a huge list of international publications that have specifically reported on the communal effort. Over 170 different outlets have reported specifically on the #PS4NoDRM and #XBoxOneNoDRM issues.


Maybe there will be an IGN article soon:

Microsoft has given media similar statements; trust me when I say IGN is digging deeper into this and working on reporting what the hell is going on.

 

[MitchDyer]

Microsoft has given media similar statements; trust me when I say IGN is digging deeper into this and working on reporting what the hell is going on.

 

[weekend_warrior]

Cool. The more coverage the better.

 

[famousmortimer]

Wow. Awesome.

 

[Nekofrog]

but totalbiscuit said twitter campaigns were a waste of time and don't actually contribute anything at all

 

[coldone]

Money should go to the developer not retailers. Gamestop makes $1.4B in profits just from used games. They made $2.2B in profits 2012.

Sony hasnt't made a penny. If you add the profits of MS, Unbisoft, EA, Square, Capcom it is not the same as what gamestop makes every year.

Folks like Collin, Greg from IGN has spoken about this for years. Even in GT weekly podcast they spoke about it. Every one keeps saying that money should go the developer.

Right now, if they say any thing explicit people will get all rallied up that they are being paid by MS to act as their PR. So any one who doesnt support used games are simply not being very vocal.

 

[Rebel Leader]

but totalbiscuit said twitter campaigns were a waste of time and don't actually contribute anything at all

did he ever get a CNN article in under 5 days? no? =p

Money should go to the developer not retailers. Gamestop makes $1.4B in profits just from used games. They made $2.2B in profits 2012.

Sony hasnt't made a penny. If you add the profits of MS, Unbisoft, EA, Square, Capcom it is not the same as what gamestop makes every year.

Folks like Collin, Greg from IGN has spoken about this for years. Even in GT weekly podcast they spoke about it. Every one keeps saying that money should go the developer.

Right now, if they say any thing explicit people will get all rallied up that they are being paid by MS to act as their PR. So any one who doesnt support used games are simply not being very vocal.

What abouts cars? They don't give a shit.
Movies? they don't give a shit.

and GS said: 70% of used games get put toward new one. I DO THIS!
I let my nephew borrow my games.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Microsoft has given media similar statements; trust me when I say IGN is digging deeper into this and working on reporting what the hell is going on.

trust is earned

 

[mnz]

Giantbomb had it in some articles:
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/the-guns-of-navarro-microsoft-s-one-track-mind/1100-4648/

I guess most outlets are waiting for definitive information.

 

[lastflowers]

lol at the 'no giantbomb' article. Seriously in the title of the thread?

 

[SolidSnakex]

but totalbiscuit said twitter campaigns were a waste of time and don't actually contribute anything at all

The best part of that was a guy from Sony telling TB that he was wrong and that the message was getting to them.

 

[MoeB]

way to drop the ball, Giantbomb.

 

[Volotaire]

ignore

 

[WrenchNinja]

but totalbiscuit said twitter campaigns were a waste of time and don't actually contribute anything at all

Everyone must write a strongly written letter instead of directly bombarding the powers that be

 

[BruiserBear]

Giantbomb had it in some articles:
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/the-guns-of-navarro-microsoft-s-one-track-mind/1100-4648/

I guess most outlets are waiting for definitive information.

That doesn't cut it. Not even close.

You need to have an article with the headline mentioning this topic. Giantbomb are clearly too close to this industry to actually do real reporting on this topic.

lol at the 'no giantbomb' article. Seriously in the title of the thread?

They deserve to be called out. They have sounded like Microsoft shills on their past two podcasts. It's embarrassing to listen to.

 

[Carl]

but totalbiscuit said twitter campaigns were a waste of time and don't actually contribute anything at all

If we'd written a letter then all this shit would have been sorted by now ;_;

 

[MikeE21286]

pretty cool stuff.

 

[SlowRevolution]

Microsoft has given media similar statements; trust me when I say IGN is digging deeper into this and working on reporting what the hell is going on.

I think people are mostly wondering why there hasn't been any coverage of the #PS4NoDRM campaign on IGN. I don't think people are trying to say that you guys aren't looking into all the statements.

 

[antitrop]

The best part of that was a guy from Sony telling TB that he was wrong and that the message was getting to them.

No, the best part was him completely ignoring that and continuing on like he never read it.

 

[LQX]

Fucking awesome. Giantbomb and IGN can go on pretending this shit is not happening or the people that caused this to happen do not exist. I guess if I got all my games free, I too would not give a shit.

 

[Meier]

Money should go to the developer not retailers. Gamestop makes $1.4B in profits just from used games. They made $2.2B in profits 2012.

Sony hasnt't made a penny. If you add the profits of MS, Unbisoft, EA, Square, Capcom it is not the same as what gamestop makes every year.

The majority of people trading in games are buying games with them and it's not like they're only buying used. I trade games into Amazon frequently and use that credit to buy new. I've done the same at Gamestop many times over the years.. I don't ever actually buy used from retailers personally.

It's a fallacy to act like all of the "profit" from the used games business has gone solely to Gamestop.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Money should go to the developer not retailers. Gamestop makes $1.4B in profits just from used games. They made $2.2B in profits 2012.

Sony hasnt't made a penny. If you add the profits of MS, Unbisoft, EA, Square, Capcom it is not the same as what gamestop makes every year.

Folks like Collin, Greg from IGN has spoken about this for years. Even in GT weekly podcast they spoke about it. Every one keeps saying that money should go the developer.

Right now, if they say any thing explicit people will get all rallied up that they are being paid by MS to act as their PR. So any one who doesnt support used games are simply not being very vocal.

So then MS/Sony need to develop a system where Gamestop is cut out, but consumers aren't hurt, intruded upon, or in any other way damaged (as far as their rights are concerned). As much as we know now, which is somewhat limited (in large part due to MS and Sony's lack of consistent, proper explanation of the situation), it seems consumers are going to get less but pay the same. So, fuck that. I want to be able to continue to sell my used games on eBay or Craigslist and not be limited to only using Gamestop (or whomever else MS deems worthy).

 

[Apath]

Money should go to the developer not retailers. Gamestop makes $1.4B in profits just from used games. They made $2.2B in profits 2012.

Sony hasnt't made a penny. If you add the profits of MS, Unbisoft, EA, Square, Capcom it is not the same as what gamestop makes every year.

Folks like Collin, Greg from IGN has spoken about this for years. Even in GT weekly podcast they spoke about it. Every one keeps saying that money should go the developer.

Right now, if they say any thing explicit people will get all rallied up that they are being paid by MS to act as their PR. So any one who doesnt support used games are simply not being very vocal.

You know, there is a market and a demand for used games. Game Stop meets those demands. If it were so simple and inconsequential as to be undeserving of that money, then the publishers would do it themselves.

Only operating a store, let alone a chain of them, as a dedicated gaming depot is not inconsequential, simple, or easy. Saying Game Stop doesn't deserve the profits they make is asinine.

This is not even going into the fact that used games =/= Game Stop, or how those used games lead to credit that goes back into new game purchases.

 

[GuardianE]

Microsoft has given media similar statements; trust me when I say IGN is digging deeper into this and working on reporting what the hell is going on.

That's great! Looking forward to the article.

 

[Arksy]

Who cares what MS may or may not have said. It's a grassroots campaign created by gamers in order to try to influence the industry a certain way. It's news, and the fact that it hasn't been covered by these 'news' sites is fucking disgraceful.

 

[Glorified G]

bombard Anderson Cooper with tweets. Maybe it will get a segment on his show. lol

 

[mnz]

That doesn't cut it. Not even close.

You need to have an article with the headline mentioning this topic. Giantbomb are clearly too close to this industry to actually do real reporting on this topic.

But nothing is fact yet. There is no policy in place.

Sure, doing some research wouldn't hurt. But without that it would be a stupid opinion piece.

 

[AngryMoth]

On the bombcast this week they were pretty dismissive of the chances of the campaign making an impact, because the attention is focused the platform holders instead of the 3rd parties who are the ones that actually want drm. Not that I agree

 

[SolidSnakex]

Money should go to the developer not retailers. Gamestop makes $1.4B in profits just from used games. They made $2.2B in profits 2012.

Now add this

GameStop takes a more reasonable tack in negotiating this emotional minefield. Company president Paul Raines draws the stats from his holster, saying that 70 percent of income that gets handed over to consumers for traded goods is immediately spent on new games. That's a $1.8 billion injection into the games industry.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/175305/

That's 1.8b that the gaming industry is telling people that they don't want if they do this.

 

[Tamanon]

That doesn't cut it. Not even close.

You need to have an article with the headline mentioning this topic. Giantbomb are clearly too close to this industry to actually do real reporting on this topic.




They deserve to be called out. They have sounded like Microsoft shills on their past two podcasts. It's literally embarrassing to listen to.

Giantbomb isn't a news site, they're an enthusiast site.

 

[UberTag]

Gaming media are handcuffed on this, guys.
Only mainstream media that aren't dependent on the gaming industry for their prosperity can acknowledge these issues directly.

Every gaming-driven site that needs ad revenue and game donations from publishers and platform developers to survive HAS to take their assurances at face value.
It would be a conflict of interest for them to do otherwise.

Gaming sites can acknowledge the outcry, they can convey that "Microsoft or Company X" could have done a better job of delivering their message. But they CAN'T argue against it.

 

[megalowho]

Giant Bomb talks about this for like an hour on their latest podcast, it's better and more in depth than an article.

 

[JDSN]

So congratulations fans of consumer rights, I guess?

 

[Mononoke]

The best part of that was a guy from Sony telling TB that he was wrong and that the message was getting to them.

*Ahem*

Lazy and unmeaningful you say...

 

[Rebel Leader]

Microsoft has given media similar statements; trust me when I say IGN is digging deeper into this and working on reporting what the hell is going on.

Good luck on figuring what the hell is going on because it looks like the puzzle pieces are scattered everywhere.

 

[fatty]

No, the best part was him completely ignoring that and continuing on like he never read it.

Where was this? I'd love to see it.

Edit: Nevermind, it was just posted as I was asking.

 

[Dragon]

On the bombcast this week they were pretty dismissive of the chances of the campaign making an impact, because the attention is focused the platform holders instead of the 3rd parties who are the ones that actually want drm. Not that I agree

What??? I have never...er...yeah...

 

[GuardianE]

Giant Bomb talks about this for like an hour on their latest podcast, it's better and more in depth than an article.

It doesn't get the exposure of an article.

 

[lazybones18]

bombard Anderson Cooper with tweets. Maybe it will get a segment on his show. lol

That's actually not a bad idea.

 

[WrenchNinja]

But nothing is fact yet. There is no policy in place.

A Multibillion dollar company doesnt have policy figured out six months away from their next huge product launch...really?

 

[AkuMifune]

Stop pretending they're journalists and we can all move forward. Patrick reports on news he can get, but he's not going to start digging around or pressing Microsoft for answers.

Though it is kind of sad they just accept the rules of the industry as status quo.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

lol at the 'no giantbomb' article. Seriously in the title of the thread?

I don't see why that's funny unless you mean they have reported on it. If not, I didn't realize Giant Bomb hadn't reported on what is probably the single biggest issue in gaming right now. It's probably the biggest gaming news at all right now aside from E3 and the new consoles themselves. So if they haven't, why not?

Edit: They have talked about it apparently on their podcast and here's an article as well. Apologies.

 

[Felix Lighter]

It's not about the twitter campaign but Patrick did have an article discussing the used game controversy and MS's poor response.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-digs-bigger-hole-over-used-games/1100-4647/

 

[electroshockwave]

The best part of that was a guy from Sony telling TB that he was wrong and that the message was getting to them.

Link or summary of this? Haven't been following this too closely apart from retweeting gofreak's message.

 

[LQX]

Giant Bomb talks about this for like an hour on their latest podcast, it's better and more in depth than an article.

And they pretty much dismissed any concerns consumers, which are their biggest fans and followers, might have.

 

[BruiserBear]

But nothing is fact yet. There is no policy in place.

Oh really? That line again?

Microsoft executives decided to answer questions after their event last week. They sure seemed to think the policies were clear enough to talk about them, didn't they? No need to make up a fake narrative about this all being unsettled.

We know for certain the new Xbox has DRM checks. We know it's going to fundamentally change the marketplace for used games. We also know it demands we have a Kinect camera plugged in at all times. That's plenty to talk about, even if EXACT specifics are unknown right now.

Giantbomb isn't a news site, they're an enthusiast site.

Semantics games. They report on lots of gaming news. It just so happens when the news doesn't fit their agenda they're unconcerned, even though the news in question affects every single person who reads their site. I would think that would be deemed rather important news.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

http://i.imgur.com/b8dXflF.png[

*Ahem*[/QUOTE]

I didn't know boyes was part of sony, that's pretty funny.

 

[Hellsing321]

It doesn't get the exposure of an article.

If what Jeff has said in the past is true the bombcast gets more unique traffic than their site.

 

[Arksy]

*Ahem*

Lazy and unmeaningful you say...

Wow, TB is a giant douchebag.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Link or summary of this? Haven't been following this too closely apart from retweeting gofreak's message.

Catatonic just posted it

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60450417&postcount=34