Felix Lighter
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Ah, never mind. I don't know enough about chip manufacture to make any claims.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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X1 die is much bigger from what we know. 5m transistors vs. 3m.
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Pretty much agreed.
If it had it's own TV tuner and own TV DVR system I'd be a lot more interested. I could have less crap in the TV stand, less wire clutter behind it, and perhaps have a faster/sleeker interface for watching TV etc. than having to have a separate DTV DVR that's slow and clunky hooked up.
But just plugging the DVR into the Xbone, controlling it with IR blaster etc. doesn't appeal to me at all.
If they want to be the one set top box people need, then they need a box that can do all that stuff on it's own. Give it a tuner and cable/sat card slot. Or partner with the major cable/satellite providers and put out models through them with discounts for two year TV contracts etc.
I think a lot of people would be interested in a box that could be their game console, DVR and Bluray player as it clears up a lot of clutter in the TV stand, is super convenient for people in dorm rooms, studio apartments etc. and could provide a nice, intergrated home theater experience with voice controls etc.
But they way it really works does pretty much none of that and just adds to clutter etc.
Suikoguy
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If it's anything like PC Overclocking, a chip gives an expected speed with a certain voltage. Higher voltage = More Heat. If yields are crap, that means many of the chips won't work at expected speeds under expected voltage. So you have a couple of options.
1.) Increase voltage, Chip runs stable at expected speeds, generates more heat.
2.) Lower clock speed on chip, chip runs stable at lower speed, generates expected level of heat.
Of course they could also just ditch the ones that don't meet spec, and run with a shortage.
1.) Increase voltage, Chip runs stable at expected speeds, generates more heat.
2.) Lower clock speed on chip, chip runs stable at lower speed, generates expected level of heat.
Of course they could also just ditch the ones that don't meet spec, and run with a shortage.
Manmademan
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That's a different argument entirely. if the ps3 sold 120 million units by now Sony would STILL have lost billions. it was a risk they we're willing to take to push Blu-Ray and to a lesser extent the cell processor.
Obviously that didn't pan out, but if you're talking the success of the ps3 as a console it's going to end up as at least number 3 all time in install base, possibly number 2, and it's well positioned the ps4 to succeed it.
KillerMan91
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Considering the huge drops even this year in gaming market in UK Germany is probably ahead already. During last year is was already close enough. With new console launches UK probably goes ahead again though later this year.
via an hdmi passthru like many devices already do? It will work fine
That taking into account only transistor count. Are all the components working with the same transistor size and density?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Paid shills, that's who. Paid shills who are bad at their job, because I can't imagine it's supposed to be that obvious.
I didn't want to believe it for the longest time, but they exist, they are numerous, and they even are on GAF (generally only for a few weeks until they are banned, luckily).
It certainly made me way more antagonistic towards huge companies, particularly those who brag about their massive marketing budget. Fuck them.
At this point everyone use Xbone, only MSFT PR team use Xbox One fully spelled, it's longer anyway.
They are both going to be 28nm chips afaik.
WeAreStarStuff
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Woo-Fu
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Complaining about it now just reinforces it. Only way you're getting rid of xbone is by coming up with something much, much better. The funny/sad part is that if it had had a much, much better reveal the people calling it "xbone" would be calling it "the one" instead.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
You mean XbOne then? I prefer XBO anyways.
Well anything that doesn't sound like the butt end of a 12 year-old's boner joke.
Manmademan
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So was PStriple, but Sony fans didn't seem quite as irate about it. The Xbox One is a bad name (mostly because there already WAS a system with this name) and fans will come up with cutesy nicknames.
Says the guy that calls it "the One".
But please carry on.
Sorc3r3r
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Obviously I'm looking at Kinect 2.0 here as well. Perhaps Illuminaroom as well. I just find it disheartning that most of Neo Gaf is falling hook line and sinker for the bullshit render power that both ATI & Nvidia have been flogging us for years...and to be fair here, so have most developers, more intrested in how much anti aliasing they can put on the screen to the detriment of more developed AI and gameplay features Killzone looked AMAZING at the PS4 reveal, but soon as you touch down...well it's the identical game you got 4 years ago. Run....strafe, duck...hide behind cover, shoot the minimal amount of badguys (more polys then the atoms in your body....so we can only render three or four of them at a time). Yawn. I also find it strange how many people have let Sony off scot free for their Socal Media obsession whereas Microsoft are being lambasted for their TV/Multibox orientation. I can't imagine anymore more annoying them my Facebook / Twitter feed being hammered by MR X HAS COMPLETED LEVEL 23 OF CALL OF KILLZONE everytime they press that far too within reach SHARE button.
Deadly Cyclone
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If you read those correctly I was essentially calling it just "One." I've migrated to XBO recently. Either is better than Xbone, because Xbone is used just because it says "bone" in it.
So what you're saying is, if you measure PS3 by the metrics of success that companies, or indeed anybody with business sense, actually care about, PS3 is a failure, but if you measure it by the metrics of success that gamers are obsessed with, it's done well.
what if the Xbox Uno is the new ZX?
wont the new core number to aim towards be eight cores since the new consoles comes with eight cores?
feels like PCs with less core might stagger behind performance wise when they develop games that take advantage of more than four cores
Guess I'm just familiar with using a cable box solo
Manmademan
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that is the implication when one asks if the ps3 is a successful GAME CONSOLE, yes. The only metric that counts there is "did gamers buy it" and the answer there is yes.
Was it successful at propping up sonys bottom line, or making blu ray and the cell processor a success? not really. no one argues that the ps3 was a failure here.
In contrast, the game cube was profitable for Nintendo's bottom line, but sold terribly. it was NOT a successful console
BRocknRolla
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It's interesting because I never understood "Xbone" to be a pejorative term. First time I heard it, it just stuck with me. Had they been calling is "The One" during the conference, I think "The One" probably would have stuck, but "Xbox One" is too much of a mouthful, just like Xbox 360.
Naturally of course, "Xboned" and other such terms have cropped up, which are obviously pejorative. Still, I wonder how many people think it is an insult and how many people just have accepted the name at this point?
TheJollyCorner
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Felix Lighter
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It's not that simple when the single thread performance of the 4 core CPU is way WAY higher than the single thread performance of the 8 core CPU.
Majima Everywhere System
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Reading your proposed Xbox One actually does sound kind of enticing, and it makes a lot more sense with what they are trying to sell the machine as. Heck, why not put in some some of the crap that's on the back of my stereo receiver that bites down on my speaker wire. The look of the box would also make more sense as that type of device. It might not be what someone who wants a high end receiver is looking for but it would clear up boxes for me.
Playsation_
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"The One"
That's what Xbox fans call it. Sounds like some sort of symbolic worshiping. Creeps me out, though.
That's what Xbox fans call it. Sounds like some sort of symbolic worshiping. Creeps me out, though.
It's also because doggies will forever be associated with it, Xbone just sounds more appropriate.
This thread doesn't make sense to me...anyone with this sort of info would either have to have one of these sort of jobs:
http://www.microsoft-careers.com/go...rmation-and-Services-and-Finance-Jobs/194583/
...where you usually aren't typing in broken English on NeoGAF during your lunch break (trust me I have met people who work in this division and they are normal adults)
...or, you work at one of the suppliers, and are Chinese or managing team of Chinese
Apparently this Crazy buttocks person is reliable enough for mods to not lock this thread, but this literally sounds like something that 99.9% of people who work on the core of the Xbox One team would know nothing about.
http://www.microsoft-careers.com/go...rmation-and-Services-and-Finance-Jobs/194583/
...where you usually aren't typing in broken English on NeoGAF during your lunch break (trust me I have met people who work in this division and they are normal adults)
...or, you work at one of the suppliers, and are Chinese or managing team of Chinese
Apparently this Crazy buttocks person is reliable enough for mods to not lock this thread, but this literally sounds like something that 99.9% of people who work on the core of the Xbox One team would know nothing about.
Crazy buttocks is not just reliable enough, check out the TitanFall thread. He is da man.This thread doesn't make sense to me...anyone with this sort of info would either have to have one of these sort of jobs:
http://www.microsoft-careers.com/go...rmation-and-Services-and-Finance-Jobs/194583/
...where you usually aren't typing in broken English on NeoGAF during your lunch break (trust me I have met people who work in this division and they are normal adults)
...or, you work at one of the suppliers, and are Chinese or managing team of Chinese
Apparently this Crazy buttocks person is reliable enough for mods to not lock this thread, but this literally sounds like something that 99.9% of people who work on the core of the Xbox One team would know nothing about.
Various Artists
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I had a friend in high school that wanted a nickname for some reason. (hey we were dumb HS guys nothing can be explained) He kept trying to come up with cool nicknames but we would never use it because it has to come naturally. Eventually I just said "take it easy on the nicknames PeeWee" And then he said the worst possible thing "Dont ever call me that again"
His nickname for PeeWee has been stuck with him for 13 years.
The point of the story is that the more everyone protests the name the more likely it will be to stick.
Having said that, I like the XBone name. Its kinda funny.
fallingdove
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Kinect 2.0 is just the next iteration in an already explored space. It will work better than Kinect 1.0 but I don't consider that ambitious or innovative.
As far as video game experiences are concerned, I think you will be disappointed if you believe that Xbone will be any different than the PS4.
Regarding PS4 not being called out for a focus on social, I imagine it is because it has gaming related application. While I agree that tweets/facebook posts etc. that merely call out 'MR X HAS COMPLETED LEVEL....' are incredibly annoying (wasn't it Uncharted 3 that started doing that?), as a fighting game fan, I could totally see myself following individuals within the fighting game community that are sharing video of high level matches. That is very interesting to me.
This gen is largely going to be a repeat of last gen in terms of experiences, I haven't been blown away by any of the consoles so far but in terms of Ambition and Innovation, Microsoft is far from top dog. If anyone has taken that medal, its Nintendo. They have taken more risks than MS or Sony with the WiiU.
Sure you did. That's why 21 hours ago you were still calling it "the One". And I don't know if you are in the position to say what's better or worse, if I want to call it the "XboX oNe" who can stop me? I know you are extremely worry with people ignoring Microsoft guidelines, since you want the "o" to be capitalized but since I don't work for Microsoft I don't have to meet those guidelines, right?
But it sounds weird that you complain that people call it "Xbone" while calling the same piece of plastic "the One".
We did exactly the same at my school. We named one of our mates "gooch"
it's still affecting him
TheVoidDragon
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Things just seem to keep getting worse for the Xbox one. People will still buy it though.
Can someone explain to me why Crazy Buttocks seems unable to spell anything correctly most of the time? It's a bit difficult to figure out what he is saying at times. Not sure if there is a reason for it.
Can someone explain to me why Crazy Buttocks seems unable to spell anything correctly most of the time? It's a bit difficult to figure out what he is saying at times. Not sure if there is a reason for it.
Since the MS throwing money at 3rd partys thread is closed:
https://twitter.com/BriProv/status/342420193437417472
Provinciano is the creator of Retro City Rampage.
Considering major portions of the game content of Retro City Rampage is largely based on direct criticism of Microsoft and personal attacks on the staff of Microsoft, I don't know that he's the most measured critic of the company. It should be clear that he had potent existing views on the company. I might argue potent to a fault. The "new" developments are exact mirrors of his previous views, so I do question whether he's formulating so much as justifying after-the-fact.
Various Artists
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There is a reason and its in the OP.
It makes publications harder to use it as a quote and harder for a dev. to search for if they were trying to figure out who it is.
TheJollyCorner
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dude, just stop calling it the Xbone, ok?
You're gonna hurt its feelings! Is that what you want? Huh?
I don't like the name Xbone because it sounds like douchebag shit. Bone*anything* sounds dumb to me, "Bone Dawg in the house!!" is the type of shit that I associate Xbone with. Having said that it doesn't bother me that it'll be the defacto name for the generation. I'll still use X1 because I'm lazy, same reason that I don't put a space in WiiU.
JetBlackPanda
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Because no reputable site can use his garbled posts as a source.
Maybe not to that extent (or in my case being irate that someone is playing a game for me), but what they mentioned is an extension of the Demon/Dark Souls system where people can invade your game, drop hints which may or may not be a troll and just see people ghosting in your game of their own deaths.
Overall it's a much more interesting prospect as a gamer and how it will affect my gaming.
Blame COD Dog for that one.
Various Artists
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Whenever someone complains about using XBone as the name I just picture the "Leave Britney Alone!" Youtube video.
demosthenes
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You should read the OP
Neuromancer
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It's stupid but then again so is Xbox One.
It certainly has a negative connotation. Where I come from "bone" is also slang for last place. Admittedly my use of it betrays my console loyalties. That's why I keep pushing it. I think it suits the machine well.
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