Impeccable
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You'd rather have used games blocked? Okay then.
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PSN Plus needed to play online!!!
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You'd rather have used games blocked? Okay then.
Mt Heart Attack
Member
Word. I hope Nintendo convince me to buy a WiiU later today.
Sure, why not? It's a completely despicable and anti-consumer policy, but personally I barely buy any used game anyway, so it would hardly bother me.
PSN plus over 5 years= $250-300.
The cost of having used games bricked for me would be less than this.
This costs me more in the long run.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
YEs PS+ not required for media services
But get over $300+ of "content" and games
Well if he doesn't buy many used games, then a paywall might be the bigger evil for him.
I think the biggest difference here is that it's PS+.
If that would be alone for online then it would be bummer but PS+ simply deliver actual content for it's price. Driveclub alone is worth year of subscription and that's bullet point.
Yeah things will suck for many people who don't have credit cards.
If that would be alone for online then it would be bummer but PS+ simply deliver actual content for it's price. Driveclub alone is worth year of subscription and that's bullet point.
Yeah things will suck for many people who don't have credit cards.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
No dude its the price of a cheese burger don't you get it??
No joke.
educator
Member
SONY doesn't do charity. It's called business, and why shouldn't they charge customers now that the service is expanding and becoming much better?
Gamers can seriously be the most ignorant people sometimes. Wants the best all the time, but starts nagging when they have to pay a small price for entertainment.
Bit sneaky from Sony, I was going to subscribe to PS+ anyway for the discounts but this is still pretty shady. People I know who have PS3s and will probably buy a PS4 won't be happy about this and I'd imagine most people won't find out about it until they try to play a MP game.
It's a special version so probably missing content, and the game could be shit for all we know.
Jesus, people. PAYING FOR ONLINE AND DRM HAS NOTHING IN COMMON. Stop putting it together. Separate things.
PepperJack
Banned
Worth it and not a big deal.
Freezie KO
Banned
I would too.
Randy Monk
Member
Those who don't have PS+ yet are in a cold dark place. Come into the light my friend and bask in the glory of PS+
JetSetRadio
Banned
I won't pay for online gaming.
I will pay for online gaming and free games!
I will pay for online gaming and free games!
As i thought. I have no problem with this then.
1) I expect that "content" to dry up.
2) Most of that content is stuff I don't care about. I buy consoles for stuff I can't get on PC.
Yes it's two separate things, but if I had to choose one, the used games would have been my choice.
Even though I'm heavily invested in the Sony ecosystem (I've got a PS3 and Vita) and am already a PS+ subscriber, I think that this pisses me off enough to keep me from getting a PS4 (at least at launch and maybe forever) and make me drop PS+.
It really is a matter of principle. The whole idea of PS+ was that they were offering additional services to entice you to join, not removing existing functionality.
Who's to say that the existing benefits of plus won't begin to suffer once they've got other reasons to keep you subscribing?
I figure the real cost of getting a PS4 would be close to $600 (once you add an additional controller, a game and another year of plus), and that money could be put towards upgrading my PC and getting a steambox to stream games to my TV.
It really is a matter of principle. The whole idea of PS+ was that they were offering additional services to entice you to join, not removing existing functionality.
Who's to say that the existing benefits of plus won't begin to suffer once they've got other reasons to keep you subscribing?
I figure the real cost of getting a PS4 would be close to $600 (once you add an additional controller, a game and another year of plus), and that money could be put towards upgrading my PC and getting a steambox to stream games to my TV.
Kenshin001
Member
I buy most of my games new. I like having the ability to buy and play used games hassle free. I like not having to pay just to play a damn game online even more.
SGRU
Member
Pretty much this. PS+ is a must to me.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
I'm already paying the price for the console, the games and my internet. Why the fuck do i have to pay an additional fee?
I'll readily admit that a paywall'd Online multiplayer is likely a nonissue for me since I prefer to get a bunch of friends together and play that way while barely ever using any... whatever P2P madness consoles use nowadays.
That said, PSN+ requirement for online multi is very annoying, even for me. It takes away the possibility to just sit your ass down and play however you like.
Bad move, Sony. Well, at least there is some value in plus right now (reeeeally uncomfortable and pessimistic about that "plus edition" thing), and I guess money has to come from somewhere. Still, booooooooh.
That said, PSN+ requirement for online multi is very annoying, even for me. It takes away the possibility to just sit your ass down and play however you like.
Bad move, Sony. Well, at least there is some value in plus right now (reeeeally uncomfortable and pessimistic about that "plus edition" thing), and I guess money has to come from somewhere. Still, booooooooh.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
I subscribed to PSN+ about 10 minutes after the PC. Yeah,
paying to play online is shitty and all but since you get free games every month (that are worth more than the 5$ that you pay for PSN+) I'm cool with it. Hell, I paid for Xbox Live Gold for 7 years and got nothing except a few games a week or two earlier.
paying to play online is shitty and all but since you get free games every month (that are worth more than the 5$ that you pay for PSN+) I'm cool with it. Hell, I paid for Xbox Live Gold for 7 years and got nothing except a few games a week or two earlier.
I just need to keep telling myself this. Over and over again.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Gaming without Plus is a crime. Single best online service introduced all gen.
strikeselect
You like me, you really really like me!
It's interesting to read the reactions from those who have stuck to PSN exclusively getting outraged at the online fee. It's like a time capsule to Xbox Live's 2002 launch. "we'll never pay!" "it should be free!" etc etc
Welcome to 2013 guys, you'll get dragged in kicking and screaming if necessary
Welcome to 2013 guys, you'll get dragged in kicking and screaming if necessary
QFT
To anyone who was interested in Driveclub, it's like they will basically get the game at below retail cost and then get a bunch of extra features to go with it.
educator
Member
399? I think that's a fair price for everything it offers, and that you'll use for 5+ years.
SONY doesn't have anything do with what you pay your broadband provider.
If you feel a fee of 5$ a month is a slap in the face, don't buy it. I know you will anyway though, because in the end, it's not even something to argue about in this day and age.
Freezie KO
Banned
I have never in my life seen an oxymoron so transparent as "I will pay for free games."
Why should we pay for the online portion of the games if we're paying for online play?
That's just greedy!
Sony should lower the cost of the games and give us only the single-player part of games,and if we have PS+ we can access the multiplayer aspect,we shouldnt be paying for both..
That's just greedy!
Sony should lower the cost of the games and give us only the single-player part of games,and if we have PS+ we can access the multiplayer aspect,we shouldnt be paying for both..
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Everyone keeps saying this, but don't those games go away if you stop paying for ps+? If so, those aren't free games, those are rentals. You are paying for access. Netflix is a great deal too, but no one says you get free movies with Netflix. Subscription services don't give you free things if the content is revoked when you cancel subscription.
My post is not meant to question the value of ps+, that's subjective. Instead, I'm challenging the assertion that you are getting free games.
Militant17
Member
I would rather be able to rent, borrow, lend and trade my games.
That would save me hundreds over the course of the next generation.
Lots of ppl defending...
It's gonna be more expensive as xbox live for me I think, there are very good deals online for 12 month subscriptions. I also don't care for games being forced down my throat, I probably only care for a fraction of them.
This will be fun for XBone/PS4 users, paying a double fee for playing multiplayer on both consoles. More ppl will only chose 1 now I figure, and maybe the other one for singleplayer experiences.
Also Wii U is going to make a killing this holiday season I think.
It's gonna be more expensive as xbox live for me I think, there are very good deals online for 12 month subscriptions. I also don't care for games being forced down my throat, I probably only care for a fraction of them.
This will be fun for XBone/PS4 users, paying a double fee for playing multiplayer on both consoles. More ppl will only chose 1 now I figure, and maybe the other one for singleplayer experiences.
Also Wii U is going to make a killing this holiday season I think.
So is paid online.
First off, lemme repost this because it was lost in the fray:
And not just a small handful of arbitrarily-selected old content like Live does; New releases are frequently discounted as well. If you have any interest in PSN games, what you save will more than likely offset the subscription fee and then some.
They're starting to be more aggressive with doing this with digital versions of new retail games, too, and their ability to do this is only going to grow the more leverage PS+ has. If a small yearly subscription fee makes inroads against the "we can't upset retail with our prices for DD games" excuse, then that's a net gain.
Secondly, there are a lot of folks ignoring that PS+ throws significant discounts on purchasing your content permanently, not just 'renting' licenses through the IGC.
And not just a small handful of arbitrarily-selected old content like Live does; New releases are frequently discounted as well. If you have any interest in PSN games, what you save will more than likely offset the subscription fee and then some.
They're starting to be more aggressive with doing this with digital versions of new retail games, too, and their ability to do this is only going to grow the more leverage PS+ has. If a small yearly subscription fee makes inroads against the "we can't upset retail with our prices for DD games" excuse, then that's a net gain.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
to be fair this isnt exactly bad, most gaf users who use ps3 signed up to the ps+ for the free games and its no telling that ps+ is actually worth the money, hell they are even giving drive club for free for signing up/being member.
seriously gaf is making a huge deal over this but the service actually gives the user a hell of alot back. or you could go an pay more money at Microsoft and get assassins creed 2 and halo 3 lol
seriously gaf is making a huge deal over this but the service actually gives the user a hell of alot back. or you could go an pay more money at Microsoft and get assassins creed 2 and halo 3 lol
Militant17
Member
no that's paying for a service. Completely different.
Should just charge people $5 a month to play used games too.
You realize you need xbl for microsoft's drm? What's to say sony wouldn't have done both?... Maybe the disc tagging could have worked offline, or maybe online auth would have been cheaper instead of that tech.
SammiiDoogles
Member
Can't believe people are still pissed off about this...
Both consoles are doing it.
The PS4 is £100 less to start with, plus doesn't block used games.
And you don't need to check in online and things like Netflix etc aren't behind the PS+ paywall (unlike on the Xbone). So on Xbone you have no choice but to pay for online for BASIC CONSOLE FUNCTIONALITY, whereas on PS+ you only have to pay for it if you want to use online. I see no problem here at all, especially given how great value PS+ is anyway.
Both consoles are doing it.
The PS4 is £100 less to start with, plus doesn't block used games.
And you don't need to check in online and things like Netflix etc aren't behind the PS+ paywall (unlike on the Xbone). So on Xbone you have no choice but to pay for online for BASIC CONSOLE FUNCTIONALITY, whereas on PS+ you only have to pay for it if you want to use online. I see no problem here at all, especially given how great value PS+ is anyway.
General_Frags
Member
The benefits on PN+ out weight the whole it is needed for PS4 online multiplayer.
I mean we will still have discounts, an instant game collection, betas and free to try games.
And its one subscription that works on 3 consoles, the PS3, PSVita and the PS4.
I will keep on subscribing!
I mean we will still have discounts, an instant game collection, betas and free to try games.
And its one subscription that works on 3 consoles, the PS3, PSVita and the PS4.
I will keep on subscribing!
Dirtyshubb
Member
First let me say this, i think it was pretty shitty that they decided to go this way as i feel multi gaming should be free to play...
..But i think this is the right thing to do.
The main reason is because of Gaikai and sharing etc. Any sane person will understand that Sony are totally fair to charge for all the streaming features etc because that stuff isnt free so since they are providing an ongoing service its fair to charge.
The problem then lies though with how do you separate free gaming with these other features? You cant really since its built around these features so it would become a pretty messy situation to try and make it not seem like a convoluted mess (ala XBone DRM).
All i will say though is that as crappy as it is, i am glad its with PS+ because that service is the best thing to come out of this generation so it really lessens the blow.
..But i think this is the right thing to do.
The main reason is because of Gaikai and sharing etc. Any sane person will understand that Sony are totally fair to charge for all the streaming features etc because that stuff isnt free so since they are providing an ongoing service its fair to charge.
The problem then lies though with how do you separate free gaming with these other features? You cant really since its built around these features so it would become a pretty messy situation to try and make it not seem like a convoluted mess (ala XBone DRM).
All i will say though is that as crappy as it is, i am glad its with PS+ because that service is the best thing to come out of this generation so it really lessens the blow.
