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You get Drive Club PS+ Version.

If DriveClub is a $60 and people was going to get it, i think that is a fair arguement, at least for the first year.


Generally speaking, i wish that the people who call out for hypocrisy would give specific examples of where someone have said two different things about the same subject. I would also like to know why those people gave two different opinions about the same subject. I'm honestly curious about seeing it.

 

[NullPointer]

If there's as many dedicated servers as we're hearing for Xbone games I'll gladly pay. That's real value and an obvious expense. I'd also imagine that with adaptive cloud servers able to shift resources to meet demand we should see fewer (if any) server disconnects?

They should consider frequent exemptions and holidays though. Online gaming should be as accessible as possible for newcomers.

 

[Lunzio]

Random, but a special E3 sale for PS+ subscribers on PS3 right now: X-COM: Enemy Unknown is free

 

[Kenshin001]

Over the years, there were so many hundreds if not thousands of posts that declared that people would quit the system or even refuse to buy it if online was paid for. Are those people sticking to their guns or have they realized that it's a bit of an empty bluff? Curious to see how quickly people adapt to this change. I mean, Sony didn't technically change their DRM for PS4, but, in fact, they really have with this change to something so near-identical to how XBL works.

They are probably the same people that have PS+ though. It's those that have little interest in PS+ that are most affected and they have a choice between Sony's shitty policy, MS' even shittier policy and the WiiU. I guess there is always PC.

 

[lol51]

Patrick Klepek asked Sony executive

'Will free to play multiplayer games be behind a Paid PSN Plus?'

Scott Rhode SVP of product development at Sony Worldwide said:

"That will be a game by game decision."

Source 00:16:19

Sounds they will set it up for the publisher to choose who incurs the cost.

 

[Apus]

If this is all people can find to gripe about (if you can even call it that) then it just shows how well Sony has done this E3.

 

[CloudTX]

This is just a theory but does anyone else think that this change in policy was due to the apparent necessity of dedicated servers this generation. I always argued for years among friends how rediculous it was that we payed for Xbox live and virtually every popular multiplayer game you could name ran peer to peer, which has always been awful. Still I payed and they payed. Seriously how many persistent, MMO like experiences were paraded out yesterday? If third parties are really planning to take advantage of micrsoft "cloud" network..... What are they gonna do for The ps4 version of these games? Run there own in house servers for that version? You know they wont! I hate to burst everyone's bubble but providing that kind of backend for every game was never going to be offered for free.

But as I said, its just a theory.

Also, a question for avid pc gamers out there. Isnt the multiplayer in games like battlefield, call of duty etc. largely driven by community/user run dedicated servers?

 

[Dead Man]

Patrick Klepek asked Sony executive

'Will free to play multiplayer games be behind a Paid PSN Plus?'

Scott Rhode SVP of product development at Sony Worldwide said:

"That will be a game by game decision."

Source 00:16:19

Sounds they will set it up for the publisher to choose.

That seems odd.

 

[quest]

This is just a theory but does anyone else think that this change in policy was due to the apparent necessity of dedicated servers this generation. I always argued for years among friends how rediculous it was that we payed for Xbox live and virtually every popular multiplayer game you could name ran peer to peer, which has always been awful. Still I payed and they payed. Seriously how many persistent, MMO like experiences were paraded out yesterday? If third parties are really planning to take advantage of micrsoft "cloud" network..... What are they gonna do for The ps4 version of these games? Run there own in house servers for that version? You know they wont! I hate to burst everyone's bubble but providing that kind of backend for every game was never going to be offered for free.

But as I said, its just a theory.

Also, a question for avid pc gamers out there. Isnt the multiplayer in games like battlefield, call of duty etc. largely driven by community/user run dedicated servers?

Na they just saw millions were willing to pay for gold all these years and wanted some of that money. I am upped until sept 2014 because it is a good service. Wish they did not put online play behind pay wall and understand if anyone skipped the PS4 because of it.

 

[Acid08]

Makes sense tbh. Sony has to make up costs somewhere and this is the most obvious avenue. Hopefully they offer a better service because of it and we don't have to endure anything like the awfulness that was early PSN.

 

[elcapitan]

Patrick Klepek asked Sony executive

'Will free to play multiplayer games be behind a Paid PSN Plus?'

Scott Rhode SVP of product development at Sony Worldwide said:

"That will be a game by game decision."

Source 00:16:19

Sounds they will set it up for the publisher to choose who incurs the cost.

Oh wow, that's interesting.

 

[jello44]

You get Drive Club PS+ Version.

It's not the full experience though.

Some cars/tracks are missing.

I'm probably going to grab the full version just because of that, even though I have PS+ already.

In all honestly, if you have a PS3 and Vita, it is worth it for all the freebies and the discounts. That's the best part about the service.

 

[LyleLanley]

Patrick Klepek asked Sony executive

'Will free to play multiplayer games be behind a Paid PSN Plus?'

Scott Rhode SVP of product development at Sony Worldwide said:

"That will be a game by game decision."

Source 00:16:19

Sounds they will set it up for the publisher to choose who incurs the cost.

That's really strange, why would a publisher force someone to pay sony to play online unless they're getting a cut of it?

 

[Prime Evil]

Having to pay to play online sucks. It dosent sit right with me at all. PS+ is definitely a great deal and I was most likely going to get it anyway. I'm sure i'll end up getting a PS4 and paying for online play. But for me, it just doesn't sit right.

This situation reminds me of something McNulty said to Bunk: "You know why I respect you so much Bunk?... It's cause when it came time for you to fuck me, you were very gentle."

That pretty much sums up how I feel.

 

[Zapages]

That is awesome.. I hope fighters stay free to play online... Those are the only thing I literally play online. The rest not as much.

 

[TheFeedingHand]

Welp, I'm done with consoles then. I don't play many MP games but not having online in a game like Dark Souls sucks and I refuse to pay for it just for a few games.

 

[Dominican Power]

Sony is getting greedy with this.

 

[DangerMouse]

If people see value in PS+ then fine. Whatever. What I hate is people dismissing others for not finding value in it and only seeing now they are losing something that they must pay for to regain.

I agree with this to an extent, I signed up for Plus for the free games and the discounts (starting when they put up all those back catalog FF titles with extra off), but it's really a shame that they lumped in online play, I'd probably feel quite disappointed at the change if I didn't have plus for the other stuff since I don't play online much and use it so little that being charged for it would suck.

I also hope they don't slack on the bigger games for IGC and discounts because the online play is in there now.

 

[SonicColours]

Good lord, dawson gifs? Try harder.

Who said I was trying? Enjoy your 'offline' gaming in tears.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Well there's one less bullet point in fanboy list wars now. I pay for gold and + already, both services offer free games and paid multiplayer, so all is fine in my world.

 

[zychi]

Dunno if this is old news or not:

 

[damaph]

This is just a theory but does anyone else think that this change in policy was due to the apparent necessity of dedicated servers this generation. I always argued for years among friends how rediculous it was that we payed for Xbox live and virtually every popular multiplayer game you could name ran peer to peer, which has always been awful. Still I payed and they payed. Seriously how many persistent, MMO like experiences were paraded out yesterday? If third parties are really planning to take advantage of micrsoft "cloud" network..... What are they gonna do for The ps4 version of these games? Run there own in house servers for that version? You know they wont! I hate to burst everyone's bubble but providing that kind of backend for every game was never going to be offered for free.

But as I said, its just a theory.

Also, a question for avid pc gamers out there. Isnt the multiplayer in games like battlefield, call of duty etc. largely driven by community/user run dedicated servers?

The policy change was simply because they are greedy and want your money. Microsoft has been doing it for a long time, why not them?

Yes most multiplayer games on PC have dedicated servers, but you do not have to pay anything to play online.

 

[Dead Man]

Who said I was trying? Enjoy your 'offline' gaming in tears.

LOL, you need new material and a new audience. Maybe a new job.

 

[Odrion]

Dunno if this is old news or not:

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

[kurbaan]

It seems like for the first few months of PS4 atleast PS Plus is only worth it if you have a PS3 and /or Vita

 

[xJavonta]

Don't care, PS+ subscriber anyway and I don't know a single person that hasn't been satisfied with their PS+ sub.

Is it that you guys can't afford $5mo/$18x3mo/$50yr, or the principle or some other shit like that? I really don't get it.

Then again, I've been an XBLG subscriber forever and bought PS+ when I got a Vita and PS3 so it's known that I have no problem paying monthly for a service I'll use.

 

[DSmalls84]

Did they clarify if drive club would be the full retail version? Sigbed up for ps+ today when I preordered my ps4.

 

[Crom]

Wii U for the win

 

[Darklor01]

Ya know what, .. and this is just my opinion..

I've been a paying XBL member for years. I'm used to paying for online. What's the big deal? Both systems are on even footing regarding to a service fee. Sony have been providing more for the money, despite an overall experience that, to me, felt second socially and for multiplayer to XBL.

I've felt that games were patched faster on XBOX than PS. I felt that the avatars, and social layout of XBL was superior. If I have to pay $50 a year or so to make PS+ a match for that experience, get free content, beta stuff, and more.. again, I'm happy to pay.

People will always find things to complain about. You can never satisfy everyone.

 

[Dead Man]

Ya know what, .. and this is just my opinion..

I've been a paying XBL member for years. I'm used to paying for online. What's the big deal? Both systems are on even footing regarding to a service fee. Sony have been providing more for the money, despite an overall experience that, to me, felt second socially and for multiplayer to XBL.

I've felt that games were patched faster on XBOX than PS. I felt that the avatars, and social layout of XBL was superior. If I have to pay $50 a year or so to make PS+ a match for that experience, get free content, beta stuff, and more.. again, I'm happy to pay.

People will always find things to complain about. You can never satisfy everyone.

Do you know why I never bought a 360? I'll only give you one guess.

 

[rac]

Ya know what, .. and this is just my opinion..

I've been a paying XBL member for years. I'm used to paying for online. What's the big deal? Both systems are on even footing regarding to a service fee. Sony have been providing more for the money, despite an overall experience that, to me, felt second socially and for multiplayer to XBL.

I've felt that games were patched faster on XBOX than PS. I felt that the avatars, and social layout of XBL was superior. If I have to pay $50 a year or so to make PS+ a match for that experience, get free content, beta stuff, and more.. again, I'm happy to pay.

People will always find things to complain about. You can never satisfy everyone.

Steam patches are faster than xbox, many social features on xbl can be found on pc and are better on pc, and I can create any avatar I want on pc. Guess I should be paying a fee.

 

[Angry Fork]

Am a PS3 launch owner, still have my 20gb console (upgraded hard drive obviously). The news of this is disappointing, but ever since I got a gaming PC I've been playing multiplayer on that so it doesn't sting as much. I've been using my PS3 mainly for single player exclusives.

Still, I don't think Sony fans should be defending this. You are paying a fee to use the internet connection you're already paying for, it was ridiculous for xbox live and is ridiculous here. You can argue that Sony puts more gamer-centric stuff back into their services, games, and so on so the price is justified but we really don't know if that's what they're doing with the money or if they even need it.

Basically at this point the only way you can defend Sony on this is from a lesser of two evils standpoint, which I personally hate, but I understand it. I'm not interested in any multiplayer for the PS4 games announced at the moment, so I don't see myself getting PS+ yet. I also don't like the idea that any free games you get are not allowed to be played once the subscription ends. (Is this the same for discounted games you purchase? I'm not sure).

 

[rpmurphy]

Is it that you guys can't afford $5mo/$18x3mo/$50yr, or the principle or some other shit like that? I really don't get it.

There are people who don't purchase subscriptions to things that they hardly ever use if you can believe such an unthinkable thing. If you only play some few weeks out of the year on a few games that come out during the year, what is the benefit?

 

[eddfromtheriver]

I'm already subscribed so i'm good, even if i weren't i'm not an online player... only game i play online is LBP, and Playstation Plus is awesome anyways.

 

[Dead Man]

Don't care, PS+ subscriber anyway and I don't know a single person that hasn't been satisfied with their PS+ sub.

Is it that you guys can't afford $5mo/$18x3mo/$50yr, or the principle or some other shit like that? I really don't get it.

Then again, I've been an XBLG subscriber forever and bought PS+ when I got a Vita and PS3 so it's known that I have no problem paying monthly for a service I'll use.

If you can't get it by now, you either haven't actually been reading peoples posts, or you are an idiot. You don't have to agree, but if you can't even understand why people don't like it, there is a problem.

 

[Brera]

Just what the fuck is going on in this thread!

Im a psn plus use but this isn't the point. Its a break service but multi player should be free dammit!

My thread yesterday got locked where I blamed Xbox fans and Ms for this shit and that was before this bullshit! As user as we need to stand by our rights and refuse this bullshit.

I for one have cancelled my pan plus. Stuff your shitty 40gb free downloads you pricks

 

[Rickenslacker]

Is it that you guys can't afford $5mo/$18x3mo/$50yr, or the principle or some other shit like that? I really don't get it.

What's to get? If you're buying the console and games for it, of course you could afford the subscription.

What sucks is having what should be a basic and expected capability of your games behind a paywall. You can pile on as many features as you want to the service, but gate those. Online multiplayer shouldn't be gated, and there is no justification for it to be. It's just an easy and proven way to get more money, because they can.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

Really shitty, but it makes a lot of financial sense for Sony to do this. I hate the idea of having to pay for online play, but I'm already a PS+ subscriber so I'm not really affected by this. Sucks for the people who don't want PS+ though.

 

[xJavonta]

There are people who don't purchase subscriptions to things that they hardly ever use if you can believe such an unthinkable thing. If you only play some few weeks out of the year on a few games that come out during the year, what is the benefit?

Then don't complain about it? If you never use them, what's the point in complaining that they're charging for something you didn't plan on using in the first place?

If you can't get it by now, you either haven't actually been reading peoples posts, or you are an idiot. You don't have to agree, but if you can't even understand why people don't like it, there is a problem.

Fuck the fuck off, it's a legitimate question because I personally haven't encountered anyone that has had a problem paying for a service they want to use.

What's to get? If you're buying the console and games for it, of course you could afford the subscription.

What sucks is having what should be a basic and expected capability of your games behind a paywall. You can pile on as many features as you want to the service, but gate those. Online multiplayer shouldn't be gated, and there is no justification for it to be. It's just an easy and proven way to get more money, because they can.

So it's a principle thing. Got it.

 

[fertygo]

Man, I thought the whole point stand up against DRM thing because there's people like me(many) that don't want forced to being online, and just enjoy playing Infamous, Final Fantasy, and Kingdom Heart without getting bothered.. and can share my hard copy or sell it.

But I'm still supposed to cry with some of you want to play Killzone or BF with 20-40+ player without paying?

Screw that

 

[HawksWinStanley]

This sucks.

Although it is funny to see the hypocrites who swore they'd never pay for online suddenly find justification in paying for it. Weird how quickly people's tunes change once they don't have that argument anymore.

Honestly this DRM debacle was perfect for Sony. They were able to turn everybody on MS and deflect most of the criticism away from the new paywall. So they release a video about DRM, everybody laughs and MS takes the heat.

 

[OddworldBOY]

I have been a PS+ member since day one and it won't stop now. Great to know that my wife can play online without having an account since my PS+ unlocks all that goodness from my entire family.

Sony, you aren't failing me at all.

 

[Dead Man]

Man, I thought the whole point stand up against DRM thing because there's people like me(many) that don't want forced to being online, and just enjoy playing Infamous, Final Fantasy, and Kingdom Heart without getting bothered.. and can share my hard copy or sell it.

But I'm still supposed to cry with some of you want to play Killzone or BF with 20-40+ player without paying?

Screw that

2 separate issues, but thanks for playing.

Fuck the fuck off, it's a legitimate question because I personally haven't encountered anyone that has had a problem paying for a service they want to use.

LOL, okay. You personally haven't seen anyone who had a problem paying for something they wanted to pay for? No shit. Try again. You almost had it when you said the word principle. Almost. No go read a couple posts, and think about it.

Here, I'll even quote on just above your post, in case you missed it:

What's to get? If you're buying the console and games for it, of course you could afford the subscription.

What sucks is having what should be a basic and expected capability of your games behind a paywall. You can pile on as many features as you want to the service, but gate those. Online multiplayer shouldn't be gated, and there is no justification for it to be. It's just an easy and proven way to get more money, because they can.

 

[rpmurphy]

Then don't complain about it? If you never use them, what's the point in complaining that they're charging for something you didn't plan on using in the first place?

Because having to pay to play online is an unnecessary barrier when you want to go play a game online. Why doesn't every game require a subscription fee to play online? Even MMOs abandoned this, but I guess it's cool that console platforms are in such a rush to go in the other direction.

 

[DBT85]

This sucks.

Although it is funny to see the hypocrites who swore they'd never pay for online suddenly find justification in paying for it. Weird how quickly people's tunes change once they don't have that argument anymore.

Name and shame those that have jumped the fence. Don't just put it out there like that.

 

[SuperEpicGuy]

Glad they did it. Now they can make some money as they have been struggling financially. And quit b***ing, the servers cost a lot of money to support AND they are providing the most powerful console at an amazing and cheap price.

 

[kick51]

What's to get? If you're buying the console and games for it, of course you could afford the subscription.

What sucks is having what should be a basic and expected capability of your games behind a paywall. You can pile on as many features as you want to the service, but gate those. Online multiplayer shouldn't be gated, and there is no justification for it to be. It's just an easy and proven way to get more money, because they can.

Those things are gated...typically they are acquired through an exchange of currency or store credit at a retail store or on PSN. But you pay a price and get them up front on PS+.


....

Name and shame those that have jumped the fence. Don't just put it out there like that.

the only shame would be admitting you collect people's opinions on neogaf and check them for consistency later on, should the opportunity arise

 

[xJavonta]

Because having to pay to play online is an unnecessary barrier when you want to go play a game online. Why doesn't every game require a subscription fee to play online? Even MMOs abandoned this, but I guess it's cool that console platforms are in such a rush to go in the other direction.

I get where you're coming from.

Personally, I'm okay with it. It's just something I'm used to (and I primarily game on my PC).

I could see the cost being 100% justified if every game had a dedicated server since servers aren't free.

 

[Rickenslacker]

Glad they did it. Now they can make some money as they have been struggling financially. And quit b***ing, the servers cost a lot of money to support AND they are providing the most powerful console at an amazing and cheap price.

What servers? I mostly play fighting games online on consoles, what servers will they be providing for those?

 

[Jak140]

Why should I pay for online on PS4 when I can play multiplayer on PC where the vast majority of games have always had free online gaming? I'm not seeing how this benefits the consumer, in fact it only serves to decrease the size of online gaming multiplayer communities. There are already hundreds of online games that have died premature deaths, charging for online multiplayer only exacerbates the problem.

PS+ was a great service because you could already play online for free on PS3 before it was introduced. They had no choice but to offer something like free games and discounts to make it worthwhile to the consumer. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't see Sony continuing to provide that same value far into the future now that you have no choice but to buy it if you want to play online. Also keep in mind that if Microsoft hadn't tried to Xbone it's customers with 24hr DRM checks, there's not a chance in hell Sony would have had the gall to start charging for online gaming. This way they got to screw their customers while coming out of E3 still looking like the good guy.