XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Personally, I'd wait a couple years before making a call on the engineering. Lost too many consoles last generation. 
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PS4 is quite the engineering marvel
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TheGreyHulk
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THere is no graphics card. Its on the same chip as the cpu which saves them a ton of money.
Ram is soldered to the motherboard. Its much simpler than a ps3
1) It isn't an FX chip. It is a chip based off AMD's Jaguar core, specifically designed for lower powered scenarios, like laptop usage.
2) The memory isn't just for the GPU, it is a single pool of memory for the entire system. This alone doesn't make it a high end GPU.
3) What we know of the GPU is that it is capable of 1.84TFLOP/s. I bought two GPUs close to four years ago that were capable of over 2TFLOP/s each. It's mid-range in the 'gamer market'.
Of course, we know a console will get far more out of that performance than a PC similarly specced machine, and I'm not saying the PS4 is underpowered. But your comments imply that there are actually high end components in the machine, and with the exception of the 8GB GDDR5 (which still has memory bandwidth a fair bit behind top end cards today), there isn't really anything in there that you could call high end in the context you decided to provide (of the PC market)
Don't know for sure now, but the Xbox One has the same power plug as the Xbox 360 S. The 360 S PSU was rated at just 135W...
I think it's Sony having better engineers. The One looks lazy for a custom PC even.
TheGreyHulk
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It actually is very impressive to put an 8 core jaguar side by side to a 7850 like gpu on a single non large die along with memory controller, dsp, etc.
THis hasnt been done before with a gpu with this much power
metalslimer
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It's more confusing as to why Xbox One is so big than why the PS4 is the size it is.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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RE: That Mac pro.....What the fuck? . It certainly does look from the future but the whole point of creative businesses using Mac pros is customising them so they work with external hardware.
Basically they have just turned the Mac pro into the Mac mini delux.
Basically they have just turned the Mac pro into the Mac mini delux.
CornBurrito
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So basically what you are saying is that if I wanted something with similar specs, I should go PS4 because it is far far cheaper than the equivalent gaming PC?
Horse Armour
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Yes, the PS4 is much better than any $400 PC for the foreseeable future.
Papacheeks
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Seriously?
Do you even know what an APU is?
Because that's what their using. Their basically re-engineered versions of the A10 APU Desktop Line. Much like the revision Intel Ivy birdge line for laptops, desktops and tablets. Instead of being 2.5ghz and up, they are clocked down to 1.7ghz, with lower voltage. Only big difference isn't in the core architecture, but mostly voltage and clock speed.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/Pages/consumer-desktops.aspx#6
Plus unlike Intel's nerf'd i5 and i3, which unfortunately only have dual core cpu's with hyper threading. The AMD line are true quad-core, and since their APU based, the GPU chip integrated in it is much more robust than anything Intel has. That's why cheap pc gaming can be had with a AMD based laptop with an A8 or above.
Intel does beat AMD for raw computing power, but in terms of overall, AMD is all around a better value, and is cheaper for their systems. Rather than pay the over bloated contract for Intel and Nvidia.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare
They are indeed quit capable, maybe not as strong as a desktop CPU, but still can handle multi-threaded task's, and render at similar capacity.
Calling it a net book CPU is not accurate at all my friend.
People seem to forget that game consoles have to be able to run very long periods of time under near full load when they start comparing it to macbooks and stuff. I would love to see which slim laptop or a bigger laptop for that matter, manages to last several hours playing graphics heavy games without downclocking or their small fans screeching.
anexanhume
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You saw something on Xone that equaled Killzone: Shadow Fall, The Order 1886, Infamous Second Son and The Dark Sorcerer? Link please.
dragonelite
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Their aim is to be death quiet so that is the reason for the massive fan.
Making a death quiet pc will increase fan sizes big i have done it recently i was suprised how massive the cool block was
/inbe4 no problem wont get it.
Uno Venova
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Same here, how long it lasts is the most important thing.Personally, I'd wait a couple years before making a call on the engineering. Lost too many consoles last generation.
..this 100Gflops rating for the Jaguar CPU is not the same metric as a desktop CPU, someone on Beyond3D did the math, it's roughly equivalent to 40Gflops in PC desktop terms, or roughly the same as an AMD Quad Core Phenom II @3.2Ghz.
..still plenty of power with that GPU & GDDR5 bandwidth though, but 100Gflops is a little bit misleading TBH.
(obviously the same goes for the Xbone).
..still plenty of power with that GPU & GDDR5 bandwidth though, but 100Gflops is a little bit misleading TBH.
(obviously the same goes for the Xbone).
Link?
That's why, however tempting, I prefer to let the impatient, day one purchasers Beta test any new console for me..
)Who presses a power button nowdays? Turn it on with a controller
AranhaHunter
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Makes me wonder if there will be a final PSThree revision next year the size of the Wii with GP+CPU SOC. We know Sony wants to sell the PS3 for another 3-5 years and this latest slim is ugly as sin and looks like a stop gap to make Sony some money.
Got a similar picture for:
PS3 fat, PS3 slim, PS3 latest slim
360 fat, 360 slim, 360 mini
Wii, wii mini
Handhelds too, if you can (i.e. DS, 3DS, PSP), but if not that's ok.
Got a similar picture for:
PS3 fat, PS3 slim, PS3 latest slim
360 fat, 360 slim, 360 mini
Wii, wii mini
Handhelds too, if you can (i.e. DS, 3DS, PSP), but if not that's ok.
amstradcpc
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Eh?.100 Gflops now are 40?.Right.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
You'll need the power button at least on the first boot, or if the controller ever gets desynced.
It's somewhere in this thread..
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62936
I think i remember reading it a couple of months back, but can't be sure.
80 odd pages to wade through if you want to find it though..
Vigilant Walrus
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Amazing Sony designs;
Walkman
PSP. Most beautiful though ergonomics wise not the most practical. Couldn't support the 3d games that was made for it.
Looked absolutely amazing. What a great, great machine. Of course only bested, value wise by the PStwo.
One of the first transistor radios. One of the most important technological breakthroughs.
Walkman
PSP. Most beautiful though ergonomics wise not the most practical. Couldn't support the 3d games that was made for it.
Looked absolutely amazing. What a great, great machine. Of course only bested, value wise by the PStwo.
Just making sure: Did you mean Mac Air?
Either way, this is from 2004:
Vaio X505 with nickle carbon body (Was expensive though).
Not really that surprising with what other stuff Sony makes.
And that first post is such a derailment of the thread.
It's not exactly a 7850, since it has 18 CUs, which puts it between the 7850 (16) and the 7870 (20). More importantly, it's clocked lower than either, at (supposedly) 800MHz versus 860 or 1000 for the 7850 and 7870 respectively. You're right that this is the most GPU-heavy APU we've seen yet, though.
Also, putting everything together with an APU design actually makes it less difficult to cool, since the heat source is more concentrated instead of spread out and requiring you to have multiple points of contact and heatpipes running every which way.
It seems to be. A bigger box means they can use larger, lower RPM fans to reduce noise levels, which makes sense for its role as an always-on TV companion device.
Weltall Zero
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Well, that revision was released a good three years after the Gamecube. And, it being a PS2, it was less powerful.
Don't get me wrong, the PS2 slim is absolute dimensional sorcery as well.
Something to do with the 100Gflop figure being a 'single' precision rating, PC's with 64bit OS operate on 'double' precision' ratings, which produces the lower, more accurate 'real world' figure.
KennyLinder
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Oh jeez don't say that! That would be the coolest, most rad console revision ever. Reckon it could get to Wii size, with HDD and drive (slot would be slimmer, I guess).
Hmm I wonder if we will get a forth revision.
lol
Where did CBOAT say this? Yield issues != heat issues.
TabletopTictacs
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But you'll need a toothpick to operate that, too.
Killzone looks good.
Did I miss show floor gameplay of 1886 & TDS? It's possible.
Infamous had a lot of technical issues. Trees and textures not loading correctly, buildings popping in, etc.
There simply isn't going to be a huge difference between the two, minus a possible framerate advantage in most cases.
Not really, no.
Any idiot could put those parts together into a small box. It's basically just off-the-shelf components. How loud and hot it runs will determine whether the console design is impressive engineering or unimpressive engineering. Either way there is nothing really special about it.
Creating just the right product was the crucial skill involved in creating the PS4 - not creating the product in just the right way.
Any idiot could put those parts together into a small box. It's basically just off-the-shelf components. How loud and hot it runs will determine whether the console design is impressive engineering or unimpressive engineering. Either way there is nothing really special about it.
Creating just the right product was the crucial skill involved in creating the PS4 - not creating the product in just the right way.
Ploid 3.0
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So is Xbox one hdd non upgradable? Or is it extendable via usb?
KennyLinder
Member
Fuck guys, I want a Wii sized PS3 now!! Damn it
Andrew Korenchkin
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Honestly, I'm worried that the PS4 may have hardware problems due to its size. I hope this isn't the case. I hope that they aren't sacrificing hardware reliability for cosmetic superiority.
I would easily take a PS4 that has more breathing room and increased durability performance, rather than something that merely looks good.
I would easily take a PS4 that has more breathing room and increased durability performance, rather than something that merely looks good.
The thing about PSUs is that they're a relatively easy part to "flatten" since their cooling demands aren't too terribly high and most of their components can just as easily be spread out over a large area instead of condensed into a brick. Bricks just happen to be a common, practical, and expected form factor.
Also, bear in mind that the PS4 probably has a crazy internal layout, with a huge heatsink that uses a radial "blower" fan configuration like the first generation PS3. Current speculation is that the motherboard is also mounted upside down.
Let me guess. You're a member of the master pc race.