Evolution_1ne
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yeah where's the 1000 dollar Titan
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PS4 is quite the engineering marvel
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yeah where's the 1000 dollar Titan
googleplex
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What the fuck is this nonsense?
Saw that, looks dope but I want to see some figures. How well does it actually cool?
Relaxed Muscle
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A MacBook Air dosn't have a fucking Blu-Ray drive to take into account in it's design....
Are you whiling to list components and specifications for each? You can laugh, but numbers don't lie.
McBook Air is just an example, there are far more powerful x86 devices in smaller packages than the one of the PS4.
Both PS4 and the Xbone are crappy x86 APUs for today's standards. Read cheap PCs.
Melchiah
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My laptop doesn't have intake vents in the front, they're at the bottom. And there are vents on the PS4's side.
LOL, No Macbooks carry anything near the strength of 78xx series GPUs.
I agree with the CPU being weak but this is an 8-core Jaguar CPU so it should be fine as game developers make their engines multi-threaded.
Just looking at the latest Macbook Air specs on Wikipedia:
GPU:
Intel HD Graphics 5000 processor with up to 1GB LPDDR3 SDRAM shared from main memory
-significantly weaker than the PS4 GPU
CPU:
(Higher-End 11" & 13") Optional 1.7 GHz (i7-4650U) dual-core Intel Core i7 with 4 MB shared L3 cache
-1/4 of the cores and probably comparable individual core performance compared to PS4
RAM:
4 GB of 1600 MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM Optional 8 GB
-significantly slower than PS4 RAM
Is not a full 78xx is the APU version, far less powerful.
Everything else is right except the CPU comparison. The PS4's Jaguar CPU has lower IPC than the Haswell/Ivy Bridge CPUs used in the Macbook Air so it's not a 1:1 comparison. The Jaguar is weaker but it has 8 cores while the Haswell CPU is faster but only has 2 cores.
Intel single core performance is waaaay better than AMD single core, at the end a Intel CPU process way more instruction than any AMD architecture.
Uhm yes it is, if I was to quantify it's power it would fall in between the 7850/7870.
The Xbone on the other hand is running something similar to a 7790.
Are we now at the point of comparing the PS4 to $1000-$2000 machines to try and prove the PS4 isn't a technological marvel? Lol. This is a relatively low budget console. The specs, the design, the materials, the controllers, the size and slimness etc etc. To me if exudes high end in every sense, yet costs only mid end.
rahulkadukar
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LiquidSolid
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Which tells you how shit the Xbone's design is.
nhlducks35
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I wish Sony would do an Apple and have a nice behind the scenes with Cerny and the design team on how they made the PS4.
scytherage
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I wouldn't start calling anything a marvel just yet. Let's wait for the first adopters to buy one, then wait two weeks. If it survives that without any major issues, then sure, it is an engineering marvel.
weekend_warrior
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I didn't know Macbook Air's have Blu-ray drives, or 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, or internel power supply, or an ethernet port, or a optical audio port. I didn't know any of this.
It's 18 CUs at 800 Mhz. Sits somewhere between the 7850 and 7870. The 7850, for reference, is 8-10x as powerful as the GPU in the MacBook Air.
2 cores at 1.7 Ghz aren't going to beat 8 cores at 1.6 Ghz unless Haswell is 4x faster than Jaguar per clock, which it isn't.
Stop pulling facts out of your ass. It's clear as day that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Build me a comparable system, in the same form factor, for the same price.... GO!
Cerny is supposed to be doing a talk about the PS4 next week I think.
Where did you read about that?
He's not making up anything, more cores does not necessarily mean more power. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328.html
Isn't that a $3000+ laptop? You do realise many PS4 games will probably look better than what your laptop will be able to muster right?
Go tom's hardware, and read the in deep benchmark and analysis. There is a reason why AMD is almost broke and Intel has 80% of the market. Multi core architecture is basically AMD desperate attempt to keep up with Intel.
I'm not trying to dismiss the PS4. Just to put it in an objective perspective. Not that I'm buying neither next gent console anyway.
Going back to the point if you guys really think the PS4 is a engineering marvel.. well
H_Prestige
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Uh, the ps4 GPU smokes the MBA. And it has GDDR5. And a bluray drive. And a hard drive. Not exactly apples to apples.
Pre-launch Sony-GAF is best Sony-GAF.
In a heavily multi-threaded program (which next-gen games will be), it absolutely does. Sure, that 2-core Intel CPU might beat the PS4 CPU in single-threaded tasks at the same clocks, but once you start utilising all the cores it's just going to be blown away by anything with 8 cores from AMDs side.
I have no agenda in this thread, I'm simply observing (read: stalking all of you). However, I just feel the need to reply to this post. The M18x is indeed expensive, but crossfire 7970ms will certainly crush the PS4's GPU performance. A single 7970m is roughly the same speed as a 7870, therefore about the same speed as the PS4's GPU or perhaps even a bit faster. Two certainly can output better graphical performance.
Yeah, this. And no I don't care about price which the console people keep bringing up, this is about an "engineering marvel", not the economics of Lego building.
I don't really care about how AMD is competing with Intel in other markets. But saying the CPU and GPU in the Mac Air are better than the PS4 is a downright lie and shows on significant amount of bias from your side.
No I realise that the Gpu in his laptop is much more powerful, but my point was that many PS4 exclusives will still look better than the best his Alienware will be able to muster. Closed platform, dedicated development and budget etc. Add to that, despite the stronger specs it'll still have that ram shortfall.
Gintoki313
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I hope that it doesn't look like a cluttered pile on the inside. I like a small console, but not at the price of having it be loud or get hot often. Can't wait to see the inside.
CPU wise a Core i5 is way faster than a Jaguar. That's not bias... Jaguar core is slower than a Phenom II a 7 year old architecture.
The GPU is faster than the HD5000 but not that much faster than you would think.
Again check benchmarks.
iamshadowlark
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I wouldn't call the PS4 a marvel per se but god there are some salty as PC gamers. Definitely impressive to squeeze all that TDP into a box that small.
Especially considering how all the armchair EE's were doubting how they could fit that GPU with all that Ram.
Especially considering how all the armchair EE's were doubting how they could fit that GPU with all that Ram.
JohnnySasaki86
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Really? Show me an APU today, in 2013, that does just under 2TFLOPs of performance. One doesn't exist(wasnt the previous highest around 900gflops?). PS4 is ahead of its time as far as APUs go.
what? where do you get this BS from?
And yes the GPU is a hell a lot faster than a HD5000.
Benchmarks? Fine.
Cinebench R11.5 (CPU):
Intel Core i7-4500U @ 2 x 3.0 Ghz: 2.4 points
AMD Jaguar @ 8 x 1.6 Ghz: 3.33 points
3DMark 2013 Fire Strike (GPU)
Intel HD5000: 650
AMD HD 7870: 5,240
The i7-4500U, by the way, costs $399 for the CPU alone. Funny how that works.
JohnnySasaki86
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Debatable, in a closed boxed system vs a PC that is. 4-5 years from now its very possible PS4's GPU will be doing things that two 7970m would struggle to do at the same framerate. Especially if QD Sorcerer demo is any indication.
But my $3000 laptop can do way better!
Facts schmacts. You can use facts to prove anything that's remotely true. The Macbook Air is clearly more powerful than the PS4.