Maybe it was too subtle (or you're being a smartarse
) but the 360 never required an internet connection, so MS are doing a "360" on the One, and making it the same in that aspect.Buy mu money's on "smartarse"
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Microsoft officially pulls DRM from Xbox One, announces new policies
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) but the 360 never required an internet connection, so MS are doing a "360" on the One, and making it the same in that aspect.Buy mu money's on "smartarse"
Phat Michael
Banned
kinect doesn't really bother me as I don't buy kinect only games. if it's on, it's on. not sure why that is a big deal? I'd love it if I can use it with illumiroom close to launch.
the ps3 had better hardware than the x360 and it didn't make much of a difference. I dont mind paying more for a better controller and xbox live integration.
I don't think anyone ever sets a policy that is written in stone? all fine print says things are subject to change.
No, he's the boss of Xbox. He fails for either making the decision or failing to protect his group from the rest of Microsoft (like his predecessors), whichever you want to go with.
dollartaco
Member
I assumed they're just looking for new ways to disappoint people. It's as though it sustains them.
RebornYeti
Member
Yes, technically, but multiplatform games tend to look and run better on the 360.
First party PS3 titles look amazing though. Dat Uncharted and Killzone.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
There's a chance Sony had similar ideas and pulled the plug right after hearing Microsoft's plan. I think people are giving Sony too much credit. It's the people's voice that
Changed Microsoft, not Sony.
rain elbows
Member
You're putting a lot of faith in a company that just dropped features they were touting as core parts of their design philosophy.
Casanova
Member
I was joking but, if I'm not mistaken, I have heard several mentions of Titanfall having a single-player element as well. I have found one example here, where Adam Sessler mentions it somewhere in the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aScp_BHZV5w
SatelliteOfLove
Member
And they reneged on a digital sharing feature, and CBOAT says the cloud was a DRM trojan horse that is hyped as some as-of-yet magic thing instead of a tangible benefit, and probably more.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Re: Inferior Hardware
We haven't seen a demonstration of this through the games, certainly first party, and I have my doubts as to what extent -- if at all -- we'll see it in third party games. I think the PS3 exclusives tend to look better than that on the 360, but is it necessarily a selling point? Somewhat, but not a large one unless we see an even greater discrepancy this gen than what we had with the previous generation. Similarly, the fact that multiplatform games looked slightly better on the 360 wouldn't have been much of a factor to purchasing a 360. My point is: unless we see a night and day difference with the PS4, all talk of hardware superiority is mute in my eyes; it has strong parallels to the early PS3 days with the enthusiasm surrounding the Cell and whatnot.
We haven't seen a demonstration of this through the games, certainly first party, and I have my doubts as to what extent -- if at all -- we'll see it in third party games. I think the PS3 exclusives tend to look better than that on the 360, but is it necessarily a selling point? Somewhat, but not a large one unless we see an even greater discrepancy this gen than what we had with the previous generation. Similarly, the fact that multiplatform games looked slightly better on the 360 wouldn't have been much of a factor to purchasing a 360. My point is: unless we see a night and day difference with the PS4, all talk of hardware superiority is mute in my eyes; it has strong parallels to the early PS3 days with the enthusiasm surrounding the Cell and whatnot.
googleplex
Member
And if they did they would have gotten the same backlash as Microsoft.
But they didn't so it's a moot point.
SRTtoZ
Member
PS3 has a more complex but better CPU
360 has a better GPU
They work out to be about the same.
entremet
Member
These types of reversal are rare in big business. I'm puzzled at some of the reactions. Yes, I can see how Kinect and price, which are pretty interconnected obviously, are still dealbreakers. But this fool me once rhetoric seems premature. Companies don't change midstream like this for fun.
I see this as a colossal misread of a gaming audience that still prefers physical goods and the flexibility they provide. MS was doing a halfbaked digital/box retailed strategy, trying to bridge the gaps, albeit clumsily. They tried and failed.
I see this as a colossal misread of a gaming audience that still prefers physical goods and the flexibility they provide. MS was doing a halfbaked digital/box retailed strategy, trying to bridge the gaps, albeit clumsily. They tried and failed.
Version 3.0
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They could still do family sharing if they wanted to. The PS3 has DD game sharing, but it used to be 5 systems and now it's only 2 - because of pressure from publishers. The family sharing plan isn't gone because the DRM is gone, it's gone because Microsoft wants it gone.
Nope.
He's the senior exec that is responsible for Xbox 360, Xbox One, Live and Kinect. The Xbox One is *his* in every facet of its design. He's the president of the Interactive Entertainment Business, not some PR mouthpiece.
He is to the Xbone what Andrew House is the PS4. They report into the CEOs of their respective companies (Ballmer and Hirai respectively).
Pre-orders made the difference. Hit them where it hurts the most, in their wallets! Microsoft is still not to be trusted regardless of this reversal in stance. They stuck to their DRM guns for way too long, and many of us have already switched sides.
Ask yourself this? In a Sonyless world do you trust Microsoft to do right by gamers? I sure as hell don't.
Ask yourself this? In a Sonyless world do you trust Microsoft to do right by gamers? I sure as hell don't.
PaineReign
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SRTtoZ
Member
What? You're not looking forward to those awesome game related TV shows?????
As many of us had already suggested, it more of the pre-order number that made them changed their mind. If it was the consumers/fan, they would have announce this at E3 2013 instead of waiting a week after E3 when they got their pre-order numbers from amazon, gamestop, etc.
entremet
Member
Well that's how capitalism works. The system still works thankfully.
Isn't that because the 360 is easier to develop for?
How much more powerful is the Xbox One compared to the PS4?
Sorry if these questions are off-topic.
DonfatherBrooks
Member
Halo is game related ain't it?
googleplex
Member
To compare Sony initial PS3 fuck ups to the Shit Microsoft has pull through out the current generation and the Horse shit the tried to pull with the Xbox 1 is disingenuous and best and a out right lie at worst.
And Many people did not buy a PS3 until Sony got their shit together.
I liked having the box. I like being able to display my games. I enjoy having a collection but also was excited about the conveniences of never having to swap discs in order to play them. (I still buy some CD's even though I just wind up burning them onto my IPod. I don't see how this is any different).
They all basically become coasters anyway. I still have all my games from prior generations sitting in boxes somewhere but I never go back and plug them in. I can't count the number of times I've bought something like the original Mario Bros but I continue to buy it again and again when my NES cart still works. Once I move on from a console I generally move on from it. I understand if many don't but I am only speaking for myself.
Sorry if this sound offensive, but your comment sound like a MS PR statement.
I think the main difference this time around is that PS4 is actually cheaper than the competition, is easier to develop than PS3 and its launching at the same year as the competition, not a year late
Bornstellar
Member
Can we please stop this crap?
googleplex
Member
I would say the the fan/Internet backlash and the low preorders aren't necessarily different things. The only people that preorders consoles at launch are the same types of people that would bitch about DRM on the internet.
Iced_Eagle
Member
We absolutely will. None of the policies today affect cloud computing at all. If you're playing multiplayer, you know they'll have an internet connection anyways.
SRTtoZ
Member
I dont know, seems like the Xbox One is the Perfect system for him.
BobTheFork
Member
yeah I think this shitstorm was on another level. Sony started in a fucking HOOOLE last gen and not the sales are dead worldwide. They are still primed to take that going forward but this changes the game.
Last gen the policies were the same but Xbox was cheaper and got out first.
Ps4 is cheaper and if they have any ability to they will get out first.
I don't believe so. The one time connect refers to the initial set up of the Xbone. I think, anyway. Why that's required hasn't been clarified by MS yet.
Still, even if that's the case, MS still have a bullet point against them.
Requires Internet Connection?
PS4: No
Xbone: Yes
Halo™ is just one of the many exciting IPs that Microsoft® is building for the Xbox One Console®©™
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i don't really understand why anyone would want to support them now as opposed to before.
sure, its good that they decided to not have those restrictions, but what made them come to that decision in the first place? it seems like they've already developed that box with the DRM in mind, and if they change their mind again it'll probably be easy for them to just do it.
if they offer a console without kinect, then it just seems like Microsoft has no direction in their product. It's one thing to redact something that there is a lot of resistance to, but its another to just change your business model.
to me, Microsoft is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. also, anyone who is willing to support Microsoft now when they didn't before is hypocritical.
as an aside, i really didnt see this coming.
sure, its good that they decided to not have those restrictions, but what made them come to that decision in the first place? it seems like they've already developed that box with the DRM in mind, and if they change their mind again it'll probably be easy for them to just do it.
if they offer a console without kinect, then it just seems like Microsoft has no direction in their product. It's one thing to redact something that there is a lot of resistance to, but its another to just change your business model.
to me, Microsoft is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. also, anyone who is willing to support Microsoft now when they didn't before is hypocritical.
as an aside, i really didnt see this coming.
VGChampion
Member
Welp there goes family sharing.
It sounded so good too.
Ha, what I was thinking! It's still for the best this way.
The Nature Roy
Member
Yes, the 360 is easier to develop for, which was a huge factor in 360 titles outperforming the PS3. It also had a better GPU, while the PS3 had a very powerful but complex CPU.
This time around the PS4 is more powerful and easier to develop for compared w/the Xbone.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
PS4 for me. I would have like to see Microsoft demonstrate why their vision of the future was the right choice. They came out over confident and said this is how it is and you better like it. Then after the backlash the say oh you don't like it?... Nevermind.
Sony is maintaining the status quo for the most part (don't forget that you've gotta pay for online now!) and they are getting praised like nothing else by many.
It's bullshit.
Yep, MS are tightwads, yep they fucked up but now they've changed their stance and while I don't think that puts them on the same level as Sony in terms of how much they should get praised I definitely think it puts them closer and they should at least be given credit for making the change.
There is nothing stopping them from implementing it for digital purchases. This can be the best of both worlds. All they've said is it won't be there aft launch which was probably going to happen anyway.
System setup, not game setup.
I assume you do it one time after you first turn on the console and then never have to worry about it again.
The best article title I've seen for today's news:
http://gameological.com/2013/06/microsoft-xbox-180/
http://gameological.com/2013/06/microsoft-xbox-180/
RebornYeti
Member
PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One. You have it mixed up.
The reason it was easier to develop multiplatform games on the 360 than on PS3 was just that the 360 was more like a PC than anything. PS3 had a different infrastructure that made it a bit difficult to port games.