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[Blearth]

In your fierce crusade to defend Microsoft, that sort of behaviour might not register with you. However in a normal consumer, that kind of behaviour is despicable that you have to kick and scream just be treated with some respect by a company.

But what was the point of the kicking and screaming if you're gonna disregard the console anyway?

 

[Sethos]

But what was the point of the kicking and screaming if you're gonna disregard the console anyway?

Because it sets a precedence.

 

[phosphor112]

MS actually brings numbers to the table when they talk about online infrastructure improvement.

I'm pissed about PSN's online paywall because I have been a PlayStation owner since the PS1. I voted with my wallet and never purchased a paid-online console, yet Sony still screwed me.

How? And if so, don't buy it?

 

[Blearth]

How? And if so, don't buy it?

I supported the company because of free online and they took that away.

I'm not gonna buy it.

 

[link1201]

They already had that last gen, nobody will notice the difference.

I think a lot of people will notice Halo MP running on Dedis.

 

[lynux3]

I supported the company because of free online and they took that away.

I'm not gonna buy it.

So you're not buying an Xbox One either?

 

[Blearth]

So you're not buying an Xbox One either?

Nope.

Doesn't mean I can't get involved in the discussion.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Online gaming is going to be superior on the Xbox One with that infrastructure.

How much does Sony have invested in infrastructure?
How much additional resources does Sony have available on demand?

You must have the answers to these questions to make the statement I've quoted, so what are they?

We'll set aside for the moment that there is a lot more to online gaming than just an investment in a regional datacenter, lol.

This is great news for the Des Moines' tax coffers and probably for the community as a whole. It is yet to be determined how beneficial the infinite power of the cloud will be for Xbox One owners in general.

 

[Silky]

Hey! I live in Iowa! I wonder what that means for me? (Probably nothing.)

Anyway, that's a hefty penny to invest, but honestly that makes sense to me that they're focusing on one of their strongest brands instead of obscure shit no one really likes, like the Surface or whatever.

 

[lynux3]

Nope.

Doesn't mean I can't get involved in the discussion.

Both systems support offline play, too. I'm sure there will be excellent single player content (see The Last of Us).

 

[Goodacre0081]

So?

why are you so fast to forget this shitstorm and forgive the company that tries to impose so many restrictions?

Just because they renounced those shitty plans doesn't mean they get erased from the minds of us gamers. there's no going back and MS will need to do more than say "Your feedback matters". If our feedback mattered they never would have announced that stuff in May. Guess what, the shitty pre-order numbers spoke to Microsoft more than the countless twitter/facebook/articles/forums posts ever could. money talks.

 

[Blearth]

Both systems support offline play, too. I'm sure there will be excellent single player content (see The Last of Us).

Don't care. I have no interest in machines that lock me out of content that I already paid for.

PS3 will be the last console I ever buy.

Unless Sony does a 180 and brings back free online. They'd have me right back, happily. I don't hold grudges against companies.

 

[Duffyside]

A billion on games, 700 million on servers... they should've just paid five billion for Playstation.

 

[Sulik2]

As someone who works in IT, Office365 is really well done and I am sure Microsoft is gonna see huge cloud growth because of it. They are need cloud infrastructure for alot more than Xbox Live. Though as an added bonus your gonna get dedicated servers for online gaming on the XB1, which is huge if you play online much.

 

[8bits]

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

 

[phosphor112]

I supported the company because of free online and they took that away.

I'm not gonna buy it.

Ok.

 

[R3TRODYCE]

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

Da fuq.

 

[entremet]

why are you so fast to forget this shitstorm and forgive the company that tries to impose so many restrictions?

Just because they renounced those shitty plans doesn't mean they get erased from the minds of us gamers. there's no going back and MS will need to do more than say "Your feedback matters". If our feedback mattered they never would have announced that shit in May. Guess what, the shitty pre-order numbers spoke to Microsoft more than the countless twitter/facebook/articles/forums posts ever could. money talks.

I lot of people easily ''forgave'' Sony on the PSN debacle.

Anyone who thought that MS would keep the DRM, allowing Sony to have the used game advantage, is seriously shortsighted. Lose on price and consumer rights? Makes no sense. The reversal was pretty obvious. Surprised it took so long.

I don't get humanizing these companies--like they're out to get to me, or they're my friends.

They're all public companies and care more about the stockholders than they do you. I'm personally in it for the games, and I won't get any of Sony/MS stuff until I find some games that will make it worth it--so far none.

So this jilted lover undercurrent that i'm getting is just strange for me. These are companies, not friends or family.

I just don't understand the personal investment here.

 

[Skunkers]

Depends on what you want to do and why.

A game running in Gaikai is pretty much still the same game that ran on your local console. Its FPS may be bumped to account for network latency, but that's pretty much it. The input/output now work over network and not over HDMI/Bluetooth to your TV/Controller.

A game that runs locally but offloads parts into a cloud is a completely different beast entirely. Such a game is a time-critical distributed software system and, thus, much more complicated. In fact, most of its subsystems cannot be "offloaded" by any practical means. Latency and bandwidth are natural barriers, and the inherent unreliability and asynchronicity of distributed software parts make the developer’s life a pain in the ass.

And the parts that can be "offloaded" are most likely those parts that are already done on the server-side in multiplayer games and MMOs, that is, game world synchronization and shared gameplay elements like bullet impact calculation.

In addition, it doesn’t make much sense economically to (a) build expensive dedicated local hardware like the Xbox 180 APU and, in addition, run an expensive cloud infrastructure to run non-essential functions like visuals. No developer would do that. They would just scale the game such that it runs entirely in the local hardware. Less effort and fewer costs. Cloud infrastructures make only sense for functions that are inherently in need of servers (multiplayer, MMOs, sharing, social) and define the product.

^This guy probably put it the best.^

The issue was MS originally saying ZOMG TEH POWAR OF TEH CLOUD BETTAR GRAFIX BETTER AI

Realistically, there's very little a cloud service can do to augment a game beyond the stuff we already have this gen. The examples we've actually been given of Teh Powar Of Teh Cloud™ have proven that:

For Titanfall they have said that Teh Cloud™ allows them to have NPC AI characters actually calculated server-side and implemented in game seamlessly. Translation: Since the game is running on dedicated servers, congratulations, they've implemented a server running bots. We've had that since... what, QuakeBot?

For Forza 5 they have shown that the game uses Teh Cloud™ to remember exactly how you drive; how aggressively you pass, take corners, how you hit your apexes, etc. Then your friends can race against the cloud-based AI drivatar even when you're not online, and your drivatar can win races for you! Translation: Your locally created drivatar is uploaded to the server where your friends download and race it, with their console doing all the AI calculations based on the parameters of your drivatar. At least, we *hope* that's what it means, otherwise they will be (hilariously) streaming a multiplayer AI car with all the lag that entails, when it can easily be done client side.

This is not exactly the groundbreaking cloud nonsense the PR mouthpieces were talking about, because that stuff isn't really feasible.

 

[Didly]

But what was the point of the kicking and screaming if you're gonna disregard the console anyway?

What's the point of fighting for equal rights of blacks, asians and latinas if you're white and you only have white friends, guys?

 

[Blearth]

I lot of people easily ''forgave'' Sony on the PSN debacle.

I don't get humanizing these companies--like they're out to get to me, or they're my friends.

They're all public companies and care more about the stockholders than they do you. I'm personally in it for the games, and I won't get any of Sony/MS stuff until I find some games that will make it worth it--so far none.

So this jilted lover undercurrent that i'm getting is just strange for me. These are companies, not friends or family.

I just don't understand the personal investment here.

Agreed

Sony really pissed me off with their paid online bullshit, but if they backtracked on it, you wouldn't see me respond with "but they spat in my FAAAAAAACE!!!"

 

[GameSeeker]

I think folks are confused about this investment. Go back and watch the May 2013 Xbone reveal. This data center investment is mostly about TV and Sports. Microsoft is investing in servers to help stream NFL stats and fantasy leagues. The servers will also be used to stream TV shows, like the new Halo TV series that Steven Spielberg is making.

 

[davepoobond]

Customer relationship software that is completely run in the cloud. In my career, I've worked as a consultant for two companies that have incredible cloud software.

Those two had expense management software and data mining software in the cloud.

well, i can't specifically comment on it since i havent used it, so i'll just have to defer to what you've said as true, and that's fine if it does. it mostly seems like statistical work and support platforms.

Adobe and Microsoft have their Creative suite and Office running in the cloud, respectively.

nope. Adobe's Creative Cloud is in name only. Creative Cloud only has a "check-in" every 30 days. You download and use it on your computer. You can totally unplug your computer from the internet and still use it. That is not the cloud. It is an internet server where you download whatever you want.

Office 365 runs on the cloud, sure. Its pretty much just like Google Docs. Not sure of the true benefits of Microsoft's solution since i haven't used it.

I also know of companies that have HR software that runs in the cloud.

The point is, the video game industry uses low hanging fruit to deliver games to you. Cloud computing is one of those things. To say that cloud hasn't proven anything outside of data storage is simply wrong.

it just depends on what you're talking about. I have to really wonder how computationally intensive Salesforce is compared to something like Google Docs/Office 365, though.

 

[Blearth]

What's the point of fighting for equal rights of blacks, asians and latinas if you're white and you only have white friends, guys?

 

[ciridesu]

I think folks are confused about this investment. Go back and watch the May 2013 Xbone reveal. This data center investment is mostly about TV and Sports. Microsoft is investing in servers to help stream NFL stats and fantasy leagues. The servers will also be used to stream TV shows, like the new Halo TV series that Steven Spielberg is making.

It is merely an expansion of their Azure facilities, little to do with xbox/tv/sports per se.

 

[phosphor112]

Online gaming is going to be superior on the Xbox One with that infrastructure.

It's like people forgot Sony used dedicated servers for a lot of their first party games...

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

:lol

 

[statham]

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

Its 700 million and use ignore on the worst ones.

 

[entremet]

It's like people forgot Sony used dedicated servers for a lot of their first party games...

Who plays 1st party Sony MP games? I kid.

The advantage XBL had on Sony was on feature set--cross game invites, party chat. That's what Joe COD loved. He could care less about dedicated servers or playing Killzone/Warhawk.

 

[Garrett 2U]

I think you're confused about this investment. It is merely an expansion of their Azure facilities, little to do with xbox per se.

I think you're confused about this investment.

The data centre will support a number of Microsoft's cloud services, but Xbox Live will be chief among them.

 

[2San]

For Titanfall they have said that Teh Cloud™ allows them to have NPC AI characters actually calculated server-side and implemented in game seamlessly. Translation: Since the game is running on dedicated servers, congratulations, they've implemented a server running bots. We've had that since... what, QuakeBot?

So? The point is that consoles where sorely lacking in dedicated servers on consoles. Both in quantity and quality. This is good news.

 

[Yellowflashdude]

Agreed

Sony really pissed me off with their paid online bullshit, but if they backtracked on it, you wouldn't see me respond with "but they spat in my FAAAAAAACE!!!"

And xbox live is okay?

 

[Izick]

This is pretty awesome. I'm really curious to see what both online ecosystems look like. Right now though, XBL still looks really good.

 

[Sethos]

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

You should totally get a blog.

 

[Blearth]

And xbox live is okay?

I was never an Xbox customer.

 

[Uno Venova]

I lot of people easily ''forgave'' Sony on the PSN debacle.

Anyone who thought that MS would keep the DRM, allowing Sony to have the used game advantage, is seriously shortsighted. Lose on price and consumer rights? Makes no sense. The reversal was pretty obvious. Surprised it took so long.

I don't get humanizing these companies--like they're out to get to me, or they're my friends.

They're all public companies and care more about the stockholders than they do you. I'm personally in it for the games, and I won't get any of Sony/MS stuff until I find some games that will make it worth it--so far none.

So this jilted lover undercurrent that i'm getting is just strange for me. These are companies, not friends or family.

I just don't understand the personal investment here.

Easily forgave the PSN hack, wasn't that Gaf's biggest fail of the year? And people still don't want to put their credit card on the service.

 

[entremet]

I was never an Xbox customer.

It's funny how you can't be critical of a company that you own products of it seems lol.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Gaikai cloud has the game run on servers, so calculation time would be the same as local (i.e. nanoseconds). It's essentially the server running the game and sending a video feed of that game to your console and you sending controller inputs back. Basically, the only real problem is controller lag.

Microsoft cloud supposedly has bits of the game run on servers and bits of the game run on servers, and the PR guff suggested that stuff like physics would be improved by being calculated on servers. This is garbage, because by the time the physics calculation on the server has made it to the console, about 0.1 second (being generous here) has passed, which means noticeable errors are inevitable, especially if you're playing something fast paced such as a racing game. There's also the problem of SimCity using the same excuse ("Server side calculations for the simulation") that proved to be absolute horseshit. Right now, all the implementations of the cloud has been stuff that already was possible in the last generation of consoles.

I also stand by people not noticing the difference between last gen's multiplayer structure and this gen's multiplayer structure. Hell, PSN has more games running on dedicated servers than Xbox Live, and people still claim XBL's better.

There sure is a lot of hostility in here.

The fact is they are making a huge commitment to the cloud. We've heard from many developers talking about it such as Insomniac, Respawn Entertainment and Turn 10. Why don't we wait and see how this all pans out before acting like we know everything now?

As a PS3 owner I know first hand how terrible some games have been during the launch window when playing online. Having 300,000 servers out there will handle the loads and make matchmaking easier, faster and lessen the latency.

Seems to me any shed of positive discussion concerning Microsoft turns into a swarm trying to shoot it down quickly. I understand they deserve a lot of the backlash from bad PR the past few weeks and trying to shove DRM in our faces but that doesn't mean we need to keep attacking at every turn. We still have months to go before release. Some will remain scarred for life while others wait patiently to see how it all unfolds.

 

[phosphor112]

Who plays 1st party Sony MP games? I kid.

The advantage XBL had on Sony was on feature set--cross game invites, party chat. That's what Joe COD loved. He could care less about dedicated servers or playing Killzone/Warhawk.

But Sony will finally have all those features. That post implying that MS will have better online because of dedicated servers, is wrong.

Here's more info on servers they've used.

http://community.us.playstation.com...p-Multiplayer-Network-Bandwidth/td-p/38325331

09/20/2012 - edited 09/21/2012
Naughty Dog is using Amazon Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3) to power both Uncharted 2, and Uncharted 3 - "Amazon S3 provides a simple web services interface that can be used to store and retrieve any amount of data, at any time, from anywhere on the web. It gives any developer access to the same highly scalable, reliable, secure, fast, inexpensive infrastructure that Amazon uses to run its own global network of web sites. The service aims to maximize benefits of scale and to pass those benefits on to developers." You can read more about it here: http://aws.amazon.com/s3/ and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_S3.

 

[Can Crusher]

Yes. The billion dollars put aside for games is actually the same billion dollars invested into cloud services. Devs just made said games exclusives out of the kindness of their hearts.

Well it's hard to believe their billion dollars on games bullshit when not so long ago the MS guy who was responsible for overseeing the division's efforts was handed a 300 million + budget.

So in the span of a few months, 300 million turned into 1 billion dollars? 1 billion dollars would cover a whole generation of 1st party + 2nd party development.

 

[davepoobond]

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

i dont think you ever knew gaf

 

[Skunkers]

So? The point is that consoles where sorely lacking in dedicated servers on consoles. Both in quantity and quality. This is good news.

I did not contradict that.

 

[entremet]

But Sony will finally have all those features. That post implying that MS will have better online because of dedicated servers, is wrong.

Here's more info on servers they've used.

http://community.us.playstation.com...p-Multiplayer-Network-Bandwidth/td-p/38325331

Sure. I'm talking about why gamers preferred MP on the 360 this generation. It can obviously switch as Sony has a massive price advantage.

 

[phosphor112]

Sure. I'm talking about why gamers preferred MP on the 360 this generation. It can obviously switch as Sony has a massive price advantage.

True.

 

[2San]

I did not contradict that.

The point is you can be negative nancy and spin this as bad thing, but at the end of the day this is good news.

 

[ec0ec0]

those are a lot of servers that i am never goingt o use...

 

[Rourkey]

Up until the X1 fiasco, I was really impressed with Neogaf. The community is absolutely huge but I found the lack of trolls and bias fanboy posts very welcome. Of course there were trolls and obvious fanboys but for the size of the community, I thought they were very low in comparison with other boards.

Now, it seems like the majority of topics/posts are extremely ignorant and trollish towards the x1 and Microsoft. It seems like the new unmentioned rule of Neogaf is that users must come up with the most creative way to spout negative comments about Microsoft/X1, truth and facts not necessary.

I was able to tolerate the semi-often Nintendo is doomed, Nintendo should go third party and Nintendo games are always the same posts, but Neogaf now seems like a breeding ground of negativity towards anyone but Sony and I'm not quite sure it's worth it to keep visiting the boards.

I visit Neogaf for the wonderful insightful commentary of video games, the gaming industry and the great discussion around current and upcoming games. Lately, those qualities which Neogaf has set itself apart with have become overtaken by ignorant negativity.

I understand people have different view points and I understand everyone doesn't agree with each other but the constant negativity, snark and ignorance geared toward Nintendo and Microsoft serves only to detract from meaningful conversation. If any of the major three companies invest $700k in their online infrastructure, it's a good thing. Period. Yet, the replies to this post are are still so unbelievably founded in Sony fanboyism it's intolerable.

So with that, I say goodnight sweet prince. You are no longer the Gaf I used to know and love.

All the console warriors come out of the wood work at this time in the life cycle, they really believe that arguing the toss on message boards will somehow influence how the generation pans out. Its why they get so obviously upset when someone dares to say they'll buy an Xbox. Last time it took a couple of years post launch before they calmed down.

 

[lynux3]

Don't care. I have no interest in machines that lock me out of content that I already paid for.

PS3 will be the last console I ever buy.

Unless Sony does a 180 and brings back free online. They'd have me right back, happily. I don't hold grudges against companies.

Well actually it unlocks quite a bit of content seeing that you still get free subscription based games on a monthly basis on 3 different platforms. There's a bit more value in getting PlayStation Plus than there is Xbox Live.

 

[Blearth]

Well actually it unlocks quite a bit of content seeing that you still get free subscription based games on a monthly basis on 3 different platforms. There's a bit more value in getting PlayStation Plus than there is Xbox Live.

So one pile of shit is slightly less stinky than the other.

 

[Silly.Mikey]

Good to hear. Now lets hope they at least improve the chat quality with all this.

 

[Krisprolls]

I was never an Xbox customer.

If even you can't get interested in their products, they must be doing something really wrong.