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Dota 2 |OT| To Hell and Back and Back to Hell
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i got no clue man, i just went dagon invoker because i was overwealmed with memorizing all the spells in a random match. Just get cold snap and hope for the best.
That frustrating feel when you lose a 60 minute game.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/250235912
Many times I pretty much successfully 1v5'd the whole team, even getting a rampage once.
why you gotta post that
that match pushed me ever closer to dota retirement
SneakyStephan
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That frustrating feel when you lose a 60 minute game.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/250235912
Many times I pretty much successfully 1v5'd the whole team, even getting a rampage once.
Why not wait for a teamfight and BT to racks?
It's not like they could have one or two guys come defend against a fed jug.Why not wait for a teamfight and BT to racks?
No lanes pushed that far, they took one of our rax, and TA would just contest.
He stole the stick from a Wizard.
SteveWinwood
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Remember your first games.
Furion was on lane/roaming. He sucked too. It's always so frustrating when you are doing everything right early game and then your team refuses to team play..
Gully State
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Are you guaranteed a player card for every match in compendium matchmaking or does it just drop at a higher rate?
Sounds like laning issue, with a strong offlaner in Sylla and strong jungler in Furion wasted in a 2-1-2
The Technomancer
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Had a game like this as Abbadon earlier. Got like four kills early on (laning with Clockwerk) but then in the midgame our Viper never ever ganked and then they kept grouping up and picking us off, but no-one would get together to push and ugh
LD and Huskar (edit) can do decently well against him (nyx as well). Advantage? Nope.
im sorry again about the peruvians :/ man i hope we dont turn into the next br's, or russians.
CarbonatedFalcon
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There was some pro game recently though where a Nyx got absolutely crushed by an OD mid though. Something like 4 CS at 12 minutes with the OD having an absurd amount of denies. Can't remember who was playing who, but I'm sure you could look it up on Dota-Academy or something.
The other thing to remember about OD is that he's not a super ganking type of hero. He's not gonna want to move early if the other mid doesn't since he can just sit there and make life suck for them. The longer the laning phase lasts, the better for him, since he's fairly squishy and susceptible to ganks with no built-in escape. So if you're playing vs. him, you hopefully get some good rune control and make things happen early in the side lanes so he'll be forced to respond and leave mid. Otherwise if you're coordinated, you have a support or two from one of your side lanes come and gank him, preferably with a smoke.
An underfarmed, underleveled OD is a very sad hero indeed.
Yeah, well OD will always have more base damage than the opposing mid hence the no one having an advantage on him. But the 3 heroes that can do SOMEWHAT ok against an OD here and there (are still at a disadv. but a lil better off than the rest of the hero pool) are LD, huskar, and nyx. Nyx will be the worst of the bunch because although he will burn OD's mana, there's nothing to stop him from getting right clicked out of lane and he won't get cs outside of using his stun effectively. And this is me talking from a pre-nerf nyx outlook, I haven't played the matchup after 6.78 and now instead of his level one 5x mana burn, his 3.5x mana burn leaves him worse off in that matchup.
edit: meant Huskar in the above post not LD and Lone Druid lol.
We do not speak of those times. Dark times indeed.
Gully State
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Duesy, how come you didn't take invoke until level 4?
My spells aren't very good against puck so didn't see the point. Sunstrike only does 75 damage at level 1 anyways.
The damage from more points in exort is more valuable for last hitting.
la flama blanca
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Dude, it's a big fucking problem. Peruvians are absolutely without a doubt the new BR and Russian.
To learn Invoker, I think it's easier to pick 1 build-type and then keep on playing that until you get used to it. Example, Quas-Wex build; Cold Snap, EMP, Tornado, Ghost Walk. Those are the 4 main spells you use in that build. You don't have to worry too much about the other spells for a good portion of the game. After you get used to 1 build, trying out other builds or just using all other spells should feel and be a lot easier.
If you like to Ghost Walk a lot, I find the Eul's Scepter to be good complement. It gives you movement speed to somewhat counteract the self-slow. And if they buy dust or track you, you can tornado yourself with it to dispel it, and then Ghost Walk. You can also tornado the enemy and then Sun Strike, Chaos Meteor, or something else as they land.
I find playing practice mode with -wtf enabled helps a lot. I'd prefer this over the www.invokergame.com because I have custom keybinds, and you should actually practice casting the spells on some target.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Yeah I was just mentioning it because that game was a case where the dominance was much larger than you'd expect. Nyx should be ~okay~ vs. OD, though LD and Huskar will probably have it better right now. Though Huskar isn't in CM.
Speaking of, with TI3 this close, anyone think we'll see some of the non-CM heroes enabled for CM between now and then? There will probably be at least a decent-sized balance patch a month or two after it finishes where we might see some of those changes if nothing before.
Schweinehund
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duesy low tier.
Rapier feed is best feed.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Yeah he was mentioned in one of the previous pages as well. He's pretty decent vs. anyone really. Will trade or only lose slightly if he doesn't win. Tidebringer harass too stronk.
Balanced by his somewhat mediocre scaling though I suppose. He's not nearly as happy if the opposing team forces him to get a (quick) BKB, among other things.
andregnreis
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Fuck those stealthies that can backstab for 502920k damage
elmariachi
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Just had a game as KOTL mid, with PL and DS safe , and Rubick Tiny the other. I didn't know why they wanted me mid with the line up it makes no sense.
What looked like a horrible game ended up being a pub stomp and ended up 11 - 1.Never had so much gold as KOTL and loved it!
What looked like a horrible game ended up being a pub stomp and ended up 11 - 1.Never had so much gold as KOTL and loved it!
Its okay brah most of them are fairly decent, unlike BRs (huehue?)
Thanks!
I feel pretty happy to be an Aussie right about now, can not relate at all to the issues of having Brazilians, Peruvians, Russians or any equivalent ruining a game. Being stuck out here on our own is a bit of a blessing I guess, most non-english speakers in the area are on SEA servers so I can't say I've had any of the issues I see brought up so much, or maybe I'm just lucky.
how can you wait the 12 minutes it takes when you queue AU server only
i roll the dice with USW, SEA and AU
SEA has been the worst so far. oh god.
I just had a game where apparently the power went out in whatever South American country people were in because 2 people dropped and another guy kept asking us to wait
My power went out like 2 hour ago D=
GoldandBlue
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lol my friend made it into Dota Fails. She's the Spirit Breaker that killed the NP at 2:10. That was such a great moment.
dishwasherlove
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AU queue is usually only 4-5 min, SEA is 3-4. I can't stand all the random disconnects from people in SEA so AU only for me most of the time too.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6FWXjB9Vs8s&desktop_uri=/watch?v=6FWXjB9Vs8s
God this ferrari's voker video that surfaced today...
Nevermind the sick SICK positioning and overall map awareness, just focus on the rotating invokes spheres / invoked spells... How can anyone think (and type) so goddamn fast? Thats some alien specimen right there...
I suck at this game
God this ferrari's voker video that surfaced today...
Nevermind the sick SICK positioning and overall map awareness, just focus on the rotating invokes spheres / invoked spells... How can anyone think (and type) so goddamn fast? Thats some alien specimen right there...
I suck at this game
Haunted
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Pro invoker play is the only time I'm impressed by Dota 2 APM.
Just as bad as the guy on Europe West from god knows where in Russia complaining about the shitty ping.
huskar, mana aint mean shit.
ugh, but brazilians, peruvians, russians are replaced by pinoys
i rarely have a queue longer than 3-4 minutes with AU only.
not including compendium matches
I queue both if I am solo queuing otherwise I just queue AU.
andregnreis
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Im brazilian but always say "gg hf" at the beginning of the match and try to be polite. But I know some brazilians can be jerks playing online, thats why sometimes I only queue USA West/East.
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