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F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water

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jmls1121 said:
Remember when gaming was about awesome video games and not tesselated toads and RAM? You guys need to chill out. The graphics will be fine for you guys.
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You weren't around when Sega was using blast processing as an advertisement campaign were you? =3
 
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Nightengale

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AyaisMUsikWhore said:
At the end of the day, the X1 multimedia section by far is the coolest one out there but it is an area that won't be such an advantage when someone offers bigger and better for cheap.. I see that most likely being Apple or Google.
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MS's trojan horse is the games. They're hoping the fact that Xbox has console games would push people to buy a more expensive box.

It would be utterly hilarious if Apple & Google release an inexpensive TV-box, and people buy them up because of price.
 
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Evolution_1ne

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Thorgal said:
If we are still seaching for a title change how about :


GIANT ENEMY CRABS STORMING THE FRONT GATES OF SONY HQ EN MASSE !!!

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the gates have long been breached they are making they're way to the Keep
 
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unchained

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Into said:
Is this really necessary?
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Read all his post in any of the threads. All he does is drive by to disparage the conversation with out adding any relevant info to the 3 threads about this subject. Yet he post multiple times. Yet never felt the need to drive by and clean up the Xbone threads.
 
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dragonelite

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jmls1121 said:
Remember when gaming was about awesome video games and not tesselated toads and RAM? You guys need to chill out. The graphics will be fine for you guys.
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Because games can only use 5gb we don't have tesselated toads.
When crytek said they wanted 16 times more ram then current gen it was all for the tesselated toad they teased last year :'(
 
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IncandescentPrecept

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i-Lo said:
The prime reason why people are pissed, regardless of how well the system functions is that when Cerny revealed that the RAM figures had been doubled (for the people who closely followed VGleaks) in Feb, most of us thought it was to aid gaming side of things (given how the machine has been marketed so far). However, now we find out that the upgrade was mostly for the sake of non-gaming related multimedia functionalities.

So, in essence, it's all about perception and its supposed violation.

Given I've cooled my jets, I do understand that the OS still incomplete and much like it was with PS3, with time, the footprint of PS4 will change and only for better (on gaming side of things).

Time is the best healer and perhaps by launch, all we'll ever care about are the games (and their visuals, etc).
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What multimedia functionalities are you talking about here? And how much RAM is reserved for that?
 
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Satchel

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LiquidMetal14 said:
You should also quote the bevvy of stupid and baseless remarks going the other route.

I don't find it surprising for you to not be doing that. For as much sense and information as people like him or famousmortimer/bruce have, you would at least have a little more perspective as to why reading a thread like this is frustrating.

If you can't find the idiotic ignorant responses in this thread then it's best to not have discussion and try to be a whistle blower in telling him why he is acting the way he is.

There are devs reading this that are frustrated. CALM DOWN DEVS, IT'S GOING TO BE ALRIGHT. One can play that card as well.

Why in God's green earth do you not take the person he quoted to court? Can you muster an answer to that?
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Maybe read MY posts before playing any sort of card. I've been consistent with my opinions from day one and they have not budged.

Thuway himself was in that other thread happy to pile in and tout how superior the PS4 would be, obviously unaware of the current situation. Which is why him being defensive in THIS thread stands out.

A simple dig through my post history shows that as far back as last year, I was happy if these consoles were minor spec bumps on the current consoles.

In fact, a dig through the threads related to THIS topic will show you I've been on "your side" in agreeing that this changes nothing and is no big deal.

5GB of GDDR5 is still HUUUGE for games. Yet I've been always painted as an Xbot for simply not joining the circle jerk since February and not hating the One like most others.
 
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Crisco

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i-Lo said:
The prime reason why people are pissed, regardless of how well the system functions is that when Cerny revealed that the RAM figures had been doubled (for the people who closely followed VGleaks) in Feb, most of us thought it was to aid gaming side of things (given how the machine has been marketed so far). However, now we find out that the upgrade was mostly for the sake of non-gaming related multimedia functionalities.

So, in essence, it's all about perception and its supposed violation.

Given I've cooled my jets, I do understand that the OS still incomplete and much like it was with PS3, with time, the footprint of PS4 will change and only for better (on gaming side of things).

Time is the best healer and perhaps by launch, all we'll ever care about are the games (and their visuals, etc).
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You can't say that. If the original split was 3/1 and now its 5/3 , then it helped gaming as much or more than other functionality.
 
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KAL2006

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Meus Renaissance said:
That's all well and good, I have no problem with that. Just don't talk to me about 8GB for a games console when you'll reserve almost 40% of it for something else.
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Why PS4 has 8GB and Sony didn't lie. you are saying Sony lied that PS4 focus is gaming and all that RAM is for media features, that's obsured, could it mean when Sony said focus on gamers included the OS design itself, remember the first reveal Imediate, personalised, social and etc for OS to enhance gaming experience. You may hate these features but that doesn't change the fact PS4 isn't focused on gaming.
 
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Jarmel said:
They are wasting GDDR5 compared to Microsoft and DDR3. It's a much bigger waste.
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It's not. Faster memory is faster memory, period. You can use it to the fullest of its potential either in a game or in some OS task. There is no waste of any kind here. If anything it means that PS4 OS will do same memory intensive stuff faster than XBO.

Let me repeat myself from the previous thread: both machines have 8 GB of RAM. Anyone with a brain should see this as both machines having the same RAM amount. This is how it is and this is how it should be. Nothing changed. PS4 is still a better hardware because it's RAM is much faster and it's GPU is faster.
 
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Instigator

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jmls1121 said:
Remember when gaming was about awesome video games and not tesselated toads and RAM? You guys need to chill out. The graphics will be fine for you guys.
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color

blast processing

16-bit palette

mode 7

cd

FMV

32-bit

3d

multimedia

64-bit

Emotion Engine

touch

waggle

Cell

8 gig RAM
 
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Stone Ocean

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So 5 gigs straight to devs with no borrowing from the OS bullshit?

Sounds fine to me. I hope this means the OS is as smooth as in that trailer. Multitasking on the fly without lagging everything would make up for it.
 
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Alucrid

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Meus Renaissance said:
That's all well and good, I have no problem with that. Just don't talk to me about 8GB for a games console when you'll reserve almost 40% of it for something else.
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They should do the same with hard drive space

and cpu and gpu usage

and include the controller and wires in the measurements because they take up space as well

and

and
 
Nealand Liquor

Nealand Liquor

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I just can't grasp why a gaming console needs so much RAM?
I'm old and maybe stuck in my ways, but I am becoming irritated by all these consoles trying to be anything but a dedicated gamng console. I really hope someone steps in *cough*valve*cough* and offers a real device dediicated strictly for gaming. Maybe I'm alone, but I already have a PCS360, smartphone and tablet, I don't need another all-in-one device. I do need what I don't have, and that's an next gen console dedicated only to gaming.
 
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Sid

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I would have preferred if they could have used something similar to the Vita's OS on here which wouldn't have been a resource hog and leave the rest of the memory for games.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

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Loofy said:
Sure they never publicly stated it, but staying silent about the whole thing this entire time is just as misleading. For months these are the type of articles that game sites ran with.

Sony: Nope. Thats all you got. *snicker
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As I said to someone else, you guys are so used to double speak, it's like you expect everyone else to do it. What would you rather?

1) Rumor one happens. Exec A says something about it.. Then Exec B says something that doesn't mesh with Exec A. Then Exec C tries to fix what Exec A and B said but that only made things confusing. So finally after days later get "Company" to say and official statement to clear it up backtracking on all statements.

Or

2)Exec A and B stay shut and wait for "Company" to say an official statement to clear all and every rumor before it even gets to the confusion state so there won't be a need for a backtrack.

I'll take 2 any day. Sometimes being patient is better than being hasty.
 
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VanWinkle

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I will just say this. Back when we thought PS4 was going to have 4GB GDDR5 total, the general consensus was that it was still better than XB1's 8GB DDR3. So right now we know that they each have 5GB usable for games, but its GDDR5 vs DDR3, which is really no contest.

That being said, its still very disappointing that the OS is using 3GB. I feel its overkill, and I also feel like their upgrade to 8GB now feels a little disingenuous.
 
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Sid

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IncandescentPrecept said:
And how does that affect them now?
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Negatively.

VanWinkle said:
I will just say this. Back when we thought PS4 was going to have 4GB GDDR5 total, the general consensus was that it was still better than XB1's 8GB DDR3. So right now we know that they each have 5GB usable for games, but its GDDR5 vs DDR3, which is really no contest.

That being said, its still very disappointing that the OS is using 3GB. I feel its overkill, and I also feel like their upgrade to 8GB now feels a little disingenuous.
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Currently it seems to be 4.5GB GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3+eSRAM.
 
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Evolution_1ne

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Satchel said:
Maybe read MY posts before playing any sort of card. I've been consistent with my opinions from day one and they have not budged.

Thuway himself was in that other thread happy to pile in and tout how superior the PS4 would be, obviously unaware of the current situation. Which is why him being defensive in THIS thread stands out.

A simple dig through my post history shows that as far back as last year, I was happy if these consoles were minor spec bumps on the current consoles.

In fact, a dig through the threads related to THIS topic will show you I've been on "your side" in agreeing that this changes nothing and is no big deal.

5GB of GDDR5 is still HUUUGE for games. Yet I've been always painted as an Xbot for simply not joining the circle jerk since February and not hating the One like most others.
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minor spec bump lol that's cute
 
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Dunlop

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Sweep14 said:
THE BIG SATURDAY BET :

I'm ready to bet that Sony's OS will be faster than X1's OS

Who wants to challenge ?
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Faster at what?

MS is an OS company, their interface will almost certainly be doing a lot more than Sony's.

Pretty much every small tweak that Sony did on my PS3 UI was a big negative (WTF were they thinking with the store?), it is really not their strong point.

They are winning on every other front so far, but it is starting be more clear that they need to have the option to expand beyond the core gamer. Social integration is unavoidable
 
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Odrion

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Actually I'd rather like Sony to use that 3gb to implement the same sort of gesture based multitasking and apps features that the Xbone has. :X
 
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Satchel

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Pyscho_Mantis said:
He raises a valid point. Your dismissal of it is not surprising though.
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I never dismissed a thing.

But isn't one of the first rules not to feed trolls? Or ignore them?

I know he's right. I never said otherwise. I commented on how he sounded, but I'm not surprised YOU saw it the way you did. Since we're throwing these sorts of assumptions around apparently.
 
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ironcreed

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Lawds, people.

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But seriously, this is a massive jump over the 0.5 that is available in the PS3. Plus, it is GDDR5 and the GPU still has the edge over the Xbox One. The difference in games will probably not be huge, but there is still a decisive edge there. It's not like the system is all of the sudden gimped because it will not have 7 GB of RAM available, lol. Hell, it does not even need that much for gaming.
 
LiquidMetal14

LiquidMetal14

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Satchel said:
Maybe read MY posts before playing any sort of card. I've been consistent with my opinions from day one and they have not budged.

Thuway himself was in that other thread happy to pile in and tout how superior the PS4 would be, obviously unaware of the current situation. Which is why him being defensive in THIS thread stands out.

A simple dig through my post history shows that as far back as last year, I was happy if these consoles were minor spec bumps on the current consoles.

In fact, a dig through the threads related to THIS topic will show you I've been on "your side" in agreeing that this changes nothing and is no big deal.

5GB of GDDR5 is still HUUUGE for games. Yet I've been always painted as an Xbot for simply not joining the circle jerk since February and not hating the One like most others.
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I notice enough of your posts to not dig through nor will I do so now.

I still want you to account for the idiocy that Thuway reacted to, to begin with. What if I was a dev and was telling you that all this is nothing but still had people ignoring my staments? You have a lot of that here and we've had several insiders as well as devs chime in.

Let me say that the hate or cynicism about Xbone has been warranted ever since the whole DRM thing came to be. It's been a swell of bad news that MSFT has been trying to patch up but let's not act like the whole reveal with DRM gate, pricing, and arrogant remarks were not the main reason to take MSFT to court.

I could have been a lot harder than that but I simply don't agree with being a whistle blower when there are bigger shots being fired than Thuway trying to make sense of a lot of stupid posts.

I can bring some names in but let me just say that you are not the worse offender of this. You just have to notice the terrible posts, then those reacting to the terrible posts, then the ones who come in and criticize the ones reacting to terrible posts instead of calling the idiots who make ridiculous statements out in the first place.

To make one more thing clear, I have no side as much as being on the side of rational thought and not jumping the gun. I have only so much information which really makes me scoff at the reaction to this news on memory allocations. I take heavy issue with drive by trolling or those who are unwilling to partake in rational and concise posts which use their brain cells in a more constructive manner.

I hope all that makes sense.
 
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DPJ

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Satchel said:
Maybe read MY posts before playing any sort of card. I've been consistent with my opinions from day one and they have not budged.

Thuway himself was in that other thread happy to pile in and tout how superior the PS4 would be, obviously unaware of the current situation. Which is why him being defensive in THIS thread stands out.
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Because he was right then and he's right now. Nothing has changed with regard to which is the more powerful ("Superior" if you like) machine.

Thuway's frustration is more than understandable here.
 
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Jarmel

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dr_rus said:
It's not. Faster memory is faster memory, period. You can use it to the fullest of its potential either in a game or in some OS task. There is no waste of any kind here. If anything it means that PS4 OS will do same memory intensive stuff faster than XBO.
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It's still an OS. Even if it's faster than the Microsoft OS, it's an OS. Unless you use these systems for browsing the web or some other nonsense, the amount of interaction with the OS where speed is critical or necessary is rather minimal.
 
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Evolution_1ne

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Sid said:
I would have preferred if they could have used something similar to the Vita's OS on here which wouldn't have been a resource hog and leave the rest of the memory for games.
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you are aware that the PS4 OS, in it's entirety is only using 1.5 gigs of ram right.
 
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nib95

Banned
Sid said:
Negatively.


Currently it seems to be 4.5GB GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3+eSRAM.
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No.

5GB GDDR5 + 512mb Swap space vs 5GB DDR3 + 32MB Esram.

Bare in mind, as I discussed earlier, PS4's ram can access nearly 3x more memory per frame compared to the XO's DDR3, irrespective of OS memory reserve.
 
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