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F'DUPTON 3: Back in the Tub with 5.0/5.5/6/7/several Inches of RAM-Flavoured Water
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Sony do not have to reveal their memory allocation to anyone (except devs) till they want to. For one that shit can change at any time so if they said they were going to have 6 gigs for games earlier but changed it to 5 they would get more shit then they have now.. So it's best if they wait until its final.
Yes but reserving more ram for the OS and being able to hold things in memory (such as the 15 minute video) would free up the HDD making games perform better.
Then again id take the more ram for games but still.
Something running fluid and smoothly depends on the hardware of the product. What MS is gonna do better is the OS design, like they did his gen.
That's the thing that I find surprising. It has neither kinect 2 or cable tele related media functionality. Game recording (gaming & multimedia) for 15 minutes is one and remote play are two feature unique to PS4. That's why I am confused as to why 3GB is blocked off. Thuway keeps on stating that it's because the OS is still incomplete and as such, I'm talking about the perception at the present time, not some time down the line when things can change.
There was no "original" split. That was all speculation. Some people said 512MB and others 1GB. And yes, it does benefit both gaming and multimedia but the ratio of RAM increase are now different.
Also, as I keep on saying it's all about perception at this point. Hard facts don't exist from Sony in terms of numbers because while the current news depicts a certain value, it is still far from launch.
Isn't it 4.5GB+512MB flex ram?
Can Crusher
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Party chat was done with less ram on xbox. Why do people keep using it as an example?
IncandescentPrecept
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AyaisMUsikWhore
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This will most likely happen. Google got there's down to a hdmi in dongle that cost $35 and has access to all your apps from your phone, tablet and PC. Then you have Apple TV.. And you can't underestimate Apple because they have the money to make these deals just as much as Microsoft so it will come to that.
Also I want to add in there about Comcast new products, the X1 and the X2... Both are boxes that do the EXACT same thing plus TV DVR as the Xbox 1 for just a box license fee on your comcast bill. Check it out
http://www.comcast.com/mx1/?SCRedirect=true
I mean, as much as some people here go on about "IT'S ABOUT THE GAMES THE GAMES THE GAMES". I think Sony would be foolish to hedge their bets on it. To have the same sort of memory space (or technically more because of the RAM?), would allow them to turn the PS4 into the same sort of "Smart Device" the Xbone is positioning itself to be.
And hey, we might actually like it.
And hey, we might actually like it.
How is that incorrect? They're using faster memory for something while noticeable, doesn't have a major impact on the core gaming experience.
They're using it as an example to demonstrate why Sony would want to withhold more ram to be 'future proof'
I get your point but the sentiment a lot of people had when Sony announced the PS4 was that the console was a true "gamers console dedicated to gaming with games full of amazing gaming specs on the One true gamer's console"...
Compared to the X1 with it's "bloated OS" and focus on multimedia/TV the PS4 really looked like a true gamers focussed console. Now, as you can see, some people feel that's it's no longuer the case.
They expected more resources to be utilised for games and now that ain't happening.
Oh OK.
I included multitasking in that as well.
OK then.
Law Abiding Stranger
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To be absolutely honest I don't see why the OS needs so much RAM, at least Xbone has the excuse of Kinect and three OSs at the same time.
Still this isn't a problem for me, as long as they don't downgrade the RAM.
Still this isn't a problem for me, as long as they don't downgrade the RAM.
Evolution_1ne
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look I understand why you said it, but the PS4 is leagues more powerful than the PS3
saying it's a minor spec bump is a bit disingenuous
Requires more memory for multitasking.
Microsoft is just gonna be way better at optimizing with what they have. It's just part of their experience
My understanding is that it's stuff like the videorecording that is causing the OS to take up a chunk and I would rather the number be reduced or eliminated if it's eating up that much ram.
JonathanPower
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In the end, the people who fork out money to buy the console and the games are the gamers. Thus, it's perfectly understandable that people want to know the tecnical specs of what they are buying.
How do you want to measure it?!
But didn't Sony make a statement on the flex memory? They could've easily dismissed the numbers if they weren't correct.
it makes perfect sense. But as I've said, read through my posts. I'm on #TeamThisMeansNothing. I DO understand his frustration.
That's part you don't seem to want to acknowledge. I simply commented on how he sounded.
Yes, there are idiots in this thread. Yes, they are spinning shit. But its not like those posts mean anything. Especially when they're intentional trolling.
That cereal looks horrible.
Oh, so Sony has the same amount of RAM allocated for games as the Xbox One does, only Sony's RAM is faster? In other words, exactly where we were when we knew Xbox One had 8GB of DDR3 and PS4 had 8GB of GDDR5. PS4 has always had the advantage there and it still does. The PS4 has the same amount of memory but it's faster. This is essentially a non story that has blown out of proportion.
What gets me is all these people crying that "What the hell Sony, I guess it never was 8GB. You lied to us." Um, no you idiots. The system has 8GB of RAM. When developers asked for the system to have 8GB of RAM, this is exactly what they meant. It's not like developers are going, "What the hell? We don't have 8GB of RAM anymore?" They didn't think they were getting a full 8GB of RAM to utilize with their games, because the developers aren't morons and they know how hardware and OS's work.
What gets me is all these people crying that "What the hell Sony, I guess it never was 8GB. You lied to us." Um, no you idiots. The system has 8GB of RAM. When developers asked for the system to have 8GB of RAM, this is exactly what they meant. It's not like developers are going, "What the hell? We don't have 8GB of RAM anymore?" They didn't think they were getting a full 8GB of RAM to utilize with their games, because the developers aren't morons and they know how hardware and OS's work.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Look... I just showed someone this. If you have Comcast, you literally don't need an Xbox One at all...
http://www.comcast.com/mx1/?SCRedirect=true
The X1 by Comcast is a full multimedia device without a camera attached that does the same exact thing as the Xbox One... Which makes the PS4 still the better game focused machine out there. Once Comcast makes this box for double play members, I will be on it lol.
You beat me to it.
We can't compare Xbone's and PS4 memory 1:1, the only way to really compare is knowing how much real world bandwidth you can achieve with the move engines and ESRAM. People either forget or purposely ignore to exaggerate these comparisons.
SEGAvangelist
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Because it's a good example of an oversight for PS3?
Well then who is actually right? We had that confirm from shinobi yesterday too that is on par with what DF originally said.
Btw, new info is basically that both systems now have 3GB OS footprint and 5GB for games according to DF and their sources?
How much do we really know about the PS4s OS anyway? Whos to say that everything you can do with the Xbone you cannot also do with the PSeye if you own one. They are not packing it in the box, but I would think they still need to make sure the OS is tuned for it for those that do choose to purchase.
Evolution_1ne
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IncandescentPrecept
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But earlier you said that the 3GB is for non-gaming related functionalities. Now you're saying that you don't know what the functionalities are?
Melchiah
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If that guy is actually the source for Leadbetter's article, I think we can throw its credibility into the trashbin.
On a side note, I wonder where the B3D poster's doubts for CBOAT's credibility come from?
What? When did I say the PS4 is a minor spec bump?
I said that LAST YEAR, before we knew anything about these consoles, I would have been happy if they were a minor spec bump.
ElectricKaibutsu
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I'm sure more and more ram will be available to developers as Sony tweaks the OS. It's a console. 4.5 gigs of gdd5 ram purely for games is still excellent.
Maybe we were just wrong in calling the Xbone bloated.
cyberheater
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You only need a relatively small memory buffer for the onboard video encoder and then commit that buffer to disk. A large memory pool is not required.
Manmademan
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very interesting. shit is getting real
Evolution_1ne
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then I misunderstood you and apologies for the miscommunication
Developers asked for 4 more gig of ram so only 1 GB of the extra 4 could be used for games. Makes sense.
Nightengale
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Perception? The only 'perception' here is a bunch of people making assumptions on an unfinalised & unconfirmed OS memory allocation.
If Sony, in the last minute, decides 1GB for future-proofing is too much, and reduce it to only 512MB, that changes everything.
If Sony manages to reduce the current OS footprint (1.5GB, supposedly) by launch, that changes everything.
Hell, if Sony decides 1GB for future proofing isn't enough, that changes everything.
Addressing perceptions doesn't always make things better, especially if you're not ready for it.
I almost bought some of that last night at the store. Love me some hot cereal.
More like 5GB GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3+eSRAM. The fact that people are missing or ignoring because it doesn't fit their agenda, is that Sony is working with the fastest RAM available on the market compared to DDR3. We have no idea how this RAM is going to affect games but if we have devs and insiders saying that it makes a big damn difference, then guess what? It makes a difference in quality. None of you chowderheads are working on PS4 games or the architecture to try to come in this thread with a position of power and say some stupid shit like, "I'm just so frustrated that Sony is wasting so much RAM on the OS instead of games!" The moment you can explain technically how 5GB of GDDR5 RAM is the worst thing possible, is the moment people will listen to you. If you can't, then please shut the hell up. /rant
Still 3GB seems like quite a big chunk of the total which will be (probably) used for non gaming functions.
Could it also be because Bish may ban him after he has had a hearty dose of that unflattering looking gluten free cereal?
IncandescentPrecept
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