The problem with prematurely announcing titles before they are ready to be shown is a mistake no one wants to make. Drive Club is suffering immensely because of this.
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Sony: Gamescom to be focused on the PS4's lineup
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The problem with prematurely announcing titles before they are ready to be shown is a mistake no one wants to make. Drive Club is suffering immensely because of this.
Opus Angelorum
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I don't think many people here would argue much for a good PSVita showing, the PS4 is the future for Sony.
Here we go.
Will it? E3, then Gamescon, and now TGS is our hope for the Vita? If they don't announce something soon, I'm selling mine after Killzone.
SEGAvangelist
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PS4 seems to have momentum right now, though. WIthout a good PSVita showing at either Gamescom or TGS, things will look pretty grim.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you do realize that Sony's best teams will not release a flagship game during launch year (which leads me to believe Shadow Fall is being made by the B Team). Sony's first party efforts have always been about maximizing the quality of visuals from the hardware, and launch year is not enough time to understand the intricacies of the machine.
There was an interview with Cerny, where he commented Naughty Dog would refuse to release a title at launch because there wasn't enough time to study the hardware to its potential.
You know what Sony's firsty is capable of. To think that they are sitting on their asses is a foolish endeavor.
Expecting any announcement of unknown launch titles would be unrealistic, I assume?
Stone Ocean
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Keeping expectations reasonable? Never!
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you do realize that Sony's best teams will not release a flagship game during launch year (which leads me to believe Shadow Fall is being made by the B Team). Sony's first party efforts have always been about maximizing the quality of visuals from the hardware, and launch year is not enough time to understand the intricacies of the machine.
There was an interview with Cerny, where he commented Naughty Dog would refuse to release a title at launch because there wasn't enough time to study the hardware to its potential.
You know what Sony's firsty is capable of. To think that they are sitting on their asses is a foolish endeavor
What do you consider a flagship title to be?
Hidden One
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I need the PS4!
metalslimer
Member
The Vita will be lucky to sell half of what the gamecube did. Good luck even having retailers stock it by the end of next year
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you do realize that Sony's best teams will not release a flagship game during launch year (which leads me to believe Shadow Fall is being made by the B Team). Sony's first party efforts have always been about maximizing the quality of visuals from the hardware, and launch year is not enough time to understand the intricacies of the machine.
There was an interview with Cerny, where he commented Naughty Dog would refuse to release a title at launch because there wasn't enough time to study the hardware to its potential.
You know what Sony's firsty is capable of. To think that they are sitting on their asses is a foolish endeavor
I'm not so sure about this. I know ND isn't one to aim for a launch title but SSM and GG have had new IPs cooking for years. I think one of those two will release next year.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you do realize that Sony's best teams will not release a flagship game during launch year (which leads me to believe Shadow Fall is being made by the B Team). Sony's first party efforts have always been about maximizing the quality of visuals from the hardware, and launch year is not enough time to understand the intricacies of the machine.
There was an interview with Cerny, where he commented Naughty Dog would refuse to release a title at launch because there wasn't enough time to study the hardware to its potential.
You know what Sony's firsty is capable of. To think that they are sitting on their asses is a foolish endeavor
Somebody has to release games in the first year. Arguably some A teams should release early to get to grips with the machine and then start on their next game. It is often the gen 2 software that really starts to sing, more so than simply coming in late with gen 1 stuff.
Sony will want to hold a decent amount back for E3 next year, but they still have a decent number of unannounced titles so will hopefully share some love at gamescom and TGS
Canis lupus
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Vita will have a few games here and there at both shows, more Vita commitment by B tier Sony studios, GR2 perhaps. Japanese 3rd party support should start to pickup, they'll be willing to give Vita a chance now. Nothing too big in the calibre of MH, yet.
Its just common sense. They are not going to announce launch games so late into the year.
Think about it, the announced all the launch games in Feb, if they had anymore it would have been at E3. With no remaining shows in the states why would they save any launch game for so late.
When you have two trains sitting at the station that both need to get push started, you don't stop pushing one of the trains as soon as it "appears" to have momentum to try to start pushing the other train. Nintendo and Sony have proven time and again that they're not capable of pushing two trains at once and the PS4 train is more important. What is the urgency in the Vita when it's not the new thing and not anywhere near as important to their overall plans? They'll get to it. Vita is a companion device for the PS4 now and the PS4 success does nothing but improve the value proposition in owning a Vita.
Because, the console sells in places outside the states too. It isn't a microsoft situation where the bulk of the sales are made in the US. I think it's not unreasonable to think that there is a possibility that there are unannounced games coming out at launch that belong to genres/franchises that sell better in Europe and Japan.
Will that be the case? who knows. But it is not out of the realm of possibility.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Because Gamescom is a gigantic show in its own right? As is TGS after that.
The world doesn't just revolve around the USA.
Unless the game is something like Singstar I really don't see any major launch games being announced any time soon. Maybe some current gen up ports or something.
I understand that point however what game exists that is predominantly only going to sell in Europe and is of no interest to the US? Outside of football manager?
With launch games its about exposure, you'll want to maximize exposure and give the press time to see the game. I just see it as silly, I'm sorry your going to be disappointed if your expecting any launch games.
PSN games at launch? I could see that. Full AAA games? Too late for that.
This whole "it sells outside of the US" thing is not that great of an arguement, no Sony 1st party title is exlusively a "European" game or "US" game to that great of an extent. As for Japan, thats where I would expect to see more launch games, but I also expect Japan would have a later launch and of these launch titles 1 or 2 might be first party.
There is 3-4 months till launch, not enough time to reveal a brand new game thats never been seen before, it just doesn't happen.
Father_Brain
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If PS3/PSP had been selling as badly as Vita is now with an equally weak (in sales terms) announced software lineup, 30-40M would have been just as absurd back then.
Well, this is agree-to-disagree territory. Assuming the price cut happens, which it probably will (but which I no longer think is a sure thing after the last Sony forecast), we'll see who's right when the sales figures roll in.
You keep stating as fact that Vita is profitable. It's not a fact in my book, not until a Sony exec comes out and says that it is. But even if it is currently eking out a small profit, it's highly unlikely that it'll ever be enough to justify the cost of the system's R&D, opportunity cost included.
As for what the "point" to Vita was, I'll refer to one of the very first things Hirai said about it:
Except without the multimillion-selling first-party titles, which were a fairly important factor in why GC was able to get to even 21M worldwide and eke out a normal lifespan. Even with those factored in, my understanding is that GC was never very profitable and that the vast majority of Nintendo's profit in that era came from GBA.
Sorry buddy, I said nothing about the games being of "no interest" to the US. Just that they hold appeal in those regions. There's a thing called spacing out your announcements, especially if some games are not ready to be shown yet (look at that MS Black Tusk Studios untitled game reveal, barely any hype at all). Not everything revolves around the US. Gamescom is a huge event, and TGS is a huge event too.
Canis lupus
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eddfromtheriver
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I want LBP3 on the PS4... do it Sony.
Gamescom is a big show for Sony for several years now.
On last year's Gamescom pressconf they announced:
Tearaway
Killzone: Mercenary
Puppeteer
Rain
That horror game for PS Move
PS+ coming to Vita
Rachet FFA comming to Vita
Red Dead Redemption comming to PS+
Brand new trailer for The Last of Us
Crossbuy initiative
Playstation Mobile initiative
Heck, their GS was better than E3. This year its gonna be even bigger. They will hype PS3, Vita and put a big spotlight on PS4 launch.
Insane Metal
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FUCK YES!
I can't wait. I really hope they announce more games, PS4's line up so far looks lame.
I just bought my new TV for my future PS4.
I can't wait. I really hope they announce more games, PS4's line up so far looks lame.
I just bought my new TV for my future PS4.
When was the last time you saw a game announced 3-4months before release? I'm talking AAA first party title.
Im not denying Gamescom isn't a big show
Im saying that you don't ever really see a big AAA title announced so close to release especially since they showed inFamous and thats January, and the Order which is tbd next year. They could have easily shown this "secret" launch title your all expecting and not these games and saved them for later.
famousmortimer
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I'm fairly certain we know of every major retail title between now and spring on both next gen consoles.
Sorry guys. I hope i'm wrong... but there's not a whisper anywhere about anything else sneaking in, other than PSN/XBLA games.
Sorry guys. I hope i'm wrong... but there's not a whisper anywhere about anything else sneaking in, other than PSN/XBLA games.
SolidSnakex
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That's going to be a PS3 game unless things have changed. And that may be the case since it was supposed to be out this year, and that obviously isn't going to happen.
I don't know, when's the last time sony had so many first party games in development for the first year of a console with a simple to develop for architecture. And anyways, I never once stated AAA games. I said launch titles.
Canis lupus
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GC is the right time for KZ:SF multiplayer reveal, and showing newer build of DriveClub making people eat crows.
I'm not trying to stir the pot, but you do realize that Sony's best teams will not release a flagship game during launch year (which leads me to believe Shadow Fall is being made by the B Team). Sony's first party efforts have always been about maximizing the quality of visuals from the hardware, and launch year is not enough time to understand the intricacies of the machine.
There was an interview with Cerny, where he commented Naughty Dog would refuse to release a title at launch because there wasn't enough time to study the hardware to its potential.
You know what Sony's firsty is capable of. To think that they are sitting on their asses is a foolish endeavor
This. Totally agree. You don't see the uncharted gts etc until well into the consoles life cycle.
One way it used to make sense is having second parties like insomniac's resistance at launch .... You kind of already have that with the order being teased.
I don't expect any more launch window titles.
Although I am hoping for
1) much updated driveclub
2) a teaser for either gg ssm or some Japan studio aaa title which will hit late 2014 (otherwise its just silly to promise 20 first parties in launch year and show just 4)
Random question how much do launch / launch window titles sell anyway . Isn't the in tally base too small? Or do they rely on a lack of competition for more sales . (We have a bunch of multi plat hyped games so there is def lots of competition )
Does the investment make sense apart from trying to sell systems ? In that case 1 or max 2 aaa titles makes sense . We already have killzone and infamous now ..
eddfromtheriver
Banned
*Crosses fingers*
Here's to hoping for a better showing of Knack and Drive Club...
I really hope the newer build is that much better. Really got sick of the game getting all that negative attention.
They will show new things, the games are also further along than they were 2 months ago.
Father_Brain
Banned
No reason why this shouldn't be a genuinely big show for PS4, coming so close to launch.
I'd be surprised not to see a couple unannounced launch titles... just not retail releases.
I'd be surprised not to see a couple unannounced launch titles... just not retail releases.
Refer to famousmortimers post above
I'm sorry I had to take it out on you in this thread but im tired of people talking about a secret launch title like its even a possibility.
And as I said before if you count PSN games then I think thats a maybe-to-likely scenario, maybe not first month but this holiday season.
Well actually, by definition it IS a possibility. Just not probable (for a AAA retail game).
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
I don't own a Vita but I do have a PS4 preorder.
This pleases me.
This pleases me.
Yepp
RedAssedApe
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sky is falling for vita owners! although i can't understand why gamescom can't be about both vita and ps4
doniewhalberg
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I guess if Sony feel their launch line-up is poor (I think it's more likely they try and show Knack and Driveclub decently), they could feasibly take LBP3 and/or GT6 cross gen or even PS4 to pull some drawing power to the launch line-up, but I doubt it. I wouldn't expect any straight up from the ground up PS4 game reveals for launch, or the launch window to be revealed, I'll agree on that for sure.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
To be quite frank, good. Not fussed about vita, and neither are most people. Bring on the PS4 megatons baby!
sky is falling for vita owners! although i can't understand why gamescom can't be about both vita and ps4
honestly, the derp is strong in this thread. Just because they are showcasing their new console they can't announce new games and a price drop for the vita? They can do both. save your tears for after the show at least.
zomgbbqftw
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The last thing they did was Wonderbook and the Pottermore PS Home space. It also incorporates SEN Europe, so they make lots of media apps.